Elite QB's

[YosemiteSam]

Hes also 34

If I had Payton Manning and Romo on the same team, Romo is setting on the bench. I don't give a damn if Manning is 34. The man can play QB.

 

[locked&loaded]

Hes also 34

I fail to see your point. Because he sure hasnt slowed down. If he only played 3 more years we would be the top contender to win all three of those years.

 

[SDCowboy]

"I hate to bag on Tony Romo but...he's not a great QB, he throws for nearly 4.5k yards? Big deal! 26 TDs? Overrated!"

When did he say that? A few days ago, he said Romo was fantastic and possibly elite. A month ago he said Romo is the real deal and one of the best in the league. And he really called Romo a screwoff?

 

[InmanRoshi]

Romo is really a "Top 5" caliber QB, but I don't mind anyone putting Romo from anywhere to 6 to 9 range, because this is sort of a "golden era" of quarterbacking in the NFL at the moment since Rivers, Rogers, Roethlesberger, Romo and Brees arrived in the last 5 years. It wasn't that long ago that it was Manning and Brady and then you had to reach all the way down to Carson Palmer for the #3 QB.

All I know is Romo is currently 3rd on the all time QB rating list (active or retired) and has a career winning percentage of 70% as a starter ... that puts you in elite status. Sorry, it just does.

 

[PJTRAPI]

Easy argument to prove:

Wins/Losses:

Romo = 38 wins 17 losses.
Rodgers = 17 wins 15 losses.

Playoffs:

Romo = 1 win 3 losses.
Rodgers = 0 wins 1 loss.

Head-to-head:

Romo = 1 win
Rodgers = 1 win.

Strength of Schedule:

Romo faces a much harder schedule every year. 2010 strength of schedule has Romo's ranked 3rd hardest and Rodgers ranked 22nd (and that's with Favre playing).

To me, the debate of Romo vs. Rodgers isn't even close until Rodgers either wins in the playoffs or wins 21 of his next 23 regular season games.

 

[MegaMagick]

When did he say that? A few days ago, he said Romo was fantastic and possibly elite. A month ago he said Romo is the real deal and one of the best in the league. And he really called Romo a screwoff?

The past few shows, he commented on a ESPN dallas story about Romo having to step up and then the next show or the show after he comes up with the hat story and lumps him with Big Ben and Vince Young in terms of immaturity.

 

[ryanbabs]

I don't hear that. I listen to his podcast every day (30 minutes or so). He is going to talk teams that pulls ratings. Yankees, Cowboys, Lakers, etc. I may not always agree with his takes. During Football season it is very rare for him to go a day without talking about the Cowboys. Most of the time he is fair imo. He has not been a believer in Wade Phillips in the past and up until last year Wade hadn't shown he could win in the playoffs.

BTW, I don't really care where the media ranks Romo. 5? 7? 9? etc. All I know he is very good and I wouldn't trade him for many. I am much more interested in winning a super bowl than trying to figure out who the 6th rated QB is.

Last week I heard him arguing that Romo isn't even in the same class as Steve Young because now days, receivers are not allowed to be touched before five yards, interference calls, yada, yada, basically saying it's a passing league now and Romo's numbers are inflated because of this. Well, Colin, aren't Mr. Rogers and Mr. Rivers? You can't have it both ways.

 

[Tricericon]

Listening to Colin Cowherd on my way to work, he reported that now that Favre is retiring there is only 6 elite qb's in the NFL. He list them in no particular order as: P. Manning, Brady, Brees, Rothensberger, Rivers, and Rogers. I understand the first 4 because they have won the Super Bowl but not the last two. They haven't won anything. He argued that Rivers and Rogers put up elite numbers. I am not trying to be homer but if that is the case, Romo has put up just as equal if not better numbers. I know it is the media hate but am I am missing something here because if you put Rogers and Rivers as elite qb's, you also have to put Romo up there also based on stats alone. Just my opinion.

Anyone who has Roethlisberger as better than Romo is stupid, or Ben Roethlisberger. But I repeat myself.

 

[sonnyboy]

I'm so sick of this Rogers BS. He's had one good season and has no playoff wins yet he doesn't have to accomplish anything to be considered great. As for Rivers, He started the same time Romo did and they have the exact same numbers.

Didn't you get the Memo? No that Romo has one, it's no longer a prequesite to be consider a top or elite QB.

I still have not seen or heard one opinion of Rodgers that makes reference to the fact he has not won a post-season game.

 

[sonnyboy]

Last week I heard him arguing that Romo isn't even in the same class as Steve Young because now days, receivers are not allowed to be touched before five yards, interference calls, yada, yada, basically saying it's a passing league now and Romo's numbers are inflated because of this. Well, Colin, aren't Mr. Rogers and Mr. Rivers? You can't have it both ways.

There is some truth to that. All QB numbers are inflated when compared to the previous generation.

That's a 30-40 year trend. Slowly but sure all QB ratings have been improving over my time following the NFL.

Now to use this trend to try and shew away Romo accomplishments because they don't fit your agenda is another story.

Just go and compare his number to what QB's are putting up now and he still shines.

 

[jswalker1981]

Ok, since 2006 (when Romo became starter) here are the stats of the "Elite QBs" per Cowherd and Romo:

Passing Yards:

1 - Drew Brees, 18301 yds
2 - Peyton Manning, 16940 yds
4 - Tony Romo, 15050 yds
5 - Phillip Rivers, 14793 yds
6 - Ben Roethlisberger, 14330 yds
10 - Tom Brady, 12815 yds (missed most of one season with injury)
20 - Aaron Rodgers, 8736 yds (obviously didn't play all four seasons)

Passing Touchdowns:

1 - Peyton Manning, 122 tds
2 - Drew Brees, 122 tds
3 - Tony Romo, 107 tds
4 - Phillip Rivers, 105 tds
5 - Tom Brady, 102 tds
8 - Ben Roethlisberger, 93 tds
14 - Aaron Rodgers, 59 tds

 

[laythewood28]

Ok, since 2006 (when Romo became starter) here are the stats of the "Elite QBs" per Cowherd and Romo:

Passing Yards:

1 - Drew Brees, 18301 yds
2 - Peyton Manning, 16940 yds
4 - Tony Romo, 15050 yds
5 - Phillip Rivers, 14793 yds
6 - Ben Roethlisberger, 14330 yds
10 - Tom Brady, 12815 yds (missed most of one season with injury)
20 - Aaron Rodgers, 8736 yds (obviously didn't play all four seasons)

Passing Touchdowns:

1 - Peyton Manning, 122 tds
2 - Drew Brees, 122 tds
3 - Tony Romo, 107 tds
4 - Phillip Rivers, 105 tds
5 - Tom Brady, 102 tds
8 - Ben Roethlisberger, 93 tds
14 - Aaron Rodgers, 59 tds

add the fact he missed 9 games and his numbers would be greater.

 

[Dodger]

Eh...whatever. That's Cowherd's opinion...and he's entitled to be wrong about it as much as the next person.

 

[SDCowboy]

Eh...whatever. That's Cowherd's opinion...and he's entitled to be wrong about it as much as the next person.

But what makes it so bad is he changes his opinion daily. That means he either strictly said idiotic crap for ratings, or ESPN makes him say that garbage.

 

[jswalker1981]

Last week I heard him arguing that Romo isn't even in the same class as Steve Young because now days, receivers are not allowed to be touched before five yards, interference calls, yada, yada, basically saying it's a passing league now and Romo's numbers are inflated because of this. Well, Colin, aren't Mr. Rogers and Mr. Rivers? You can't have it both ways.

After reading this, I also looked up pass attempts:

Since 2006, "Elite QBs" and Romo:

1 - Drew Brees, 2355 att
3 - Peyton Manning, 2197 att
5 - Phillip Rivers, 1883 att
6 - Tony Romo, 1858 att
7 - Ben Roethlisberger, 1849 att
12 - Tom Brady, 1669 att
21 - Aaron Rodgers, 1120 att

So I guess the big question is, how can Rivers be an elite QB with more pass attempts but fewer yards than Romo? And I really don't buy the wins/losses argument. You win as a TEAM, and you lose as a TEAM.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Last week I heard him arguing that Romo isn't even in the same class as Steve Young because now days, receivers are not allowed to be touched before five yards, interference calls, yada, yada, basically saying it's a passing league now and Romo's numbers are inflated because of this. Well, Colin, aren't Mr. Rogers and Mr. Rivers? You can't have it both ways.

I'm not sure what the argument is with that. Steve Young is in the Hall of Fame, won a Superbowl and was league MVP twice. I don't think Romo is currently in his class either and I would be ecstatic if he one day was.

 

[Cythim]

In my opinion, the question comes down to who would you want to lead you team to the Super Bowl? Manning and Brady are no-brainers and Brees will undoubtedly show up on many lists. As far as I'm concerned the list stops there because I would not take Romo, Rivers or Rodgers over the first three. If I had to keep going Rivers would be my first choice due to playoff experience and Rivers is #2 because I personally feel that he is better than Romo.

 

[laythewood28]

In my opinion, the question comes down to who would you want to lead you team to the Super Bowl? Manning and Brady are no-brainers and Brees will undoubtedly show up on many lists. As far as I'm concerned the list stops there because I would not take Romo, Rivers or Rodgers over the first three. If I had to keep going Rivers would be my first choice due to playoff experience and Rivers is #2 because I personally feel that he is better than Romo.

And I personally feel you are wrong.

 

[YosemiteSam]

In my opinion, the question comes down to who would you want to lead you team to the Super Bowl? Manning and Brady are no-brainers and Brees will undoubtedly show up on many lists. As far as I'm concerned the list stops there because I would not take Romo, Rivers or Rodgers over the first three. If I had to keep going Rivers would be my first choice due to playoff experience and Rivers is #2 because I personally feel that he is better than Romo.

I on the other hand do not. No bias at all. I truly think Romo is a better playmaker than Rivers. Both are prolific passers that can make great throws, but if I need my QB to make a play when the world is crumbling around him; I take Romo over Rivers every time.

The one thing I do give Rivers is he has better pin-point accuracy. Specifically on deeper throws. Romo struggles with deeper passes.

As I said though, when the pressure is on, I take Romo. When you get to the Superbowl, if you're not the 85' Bears, you are going to be under a **** load of pressure.

 

[Stautner]

Romo has a lot of haters out there, arguably moreso than any other player in the league. But you're right, based on stats and winning % alone, he belongs up there among the top 5-6.

Realy? Come on. Do you realy think Romo can even compare to TO, Vick, Ben and McNabb when it comes to being perceived in a negative way.

I will say Romo does get his share of flak, but he also got more than his share of bandwagon jumpers too. Romo merchandise started selling like hotcakes a few years ago before he had even remotely earned that kind of attention.

Hes also 34

The question of who you would build a team around is separate from who is an elite QB.