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Discussion in 'Sports Zone' started by Furboy, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. Furboy

    Furboy Well-Known Member

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    That they are, and, being a Cherries supporter, I don't have much against them other than the fact that, after Bournemouth, I happen to like Chelsea. (I also kinda like Soton, but they're a rival, so not as much haha)
     
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  2. camelboy

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    Spurs fan here, but i HATE VAR

    except today LOL

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  3. Furboy

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    Yeah, it was lucky that the rule had been changed before the season for you. And good job VAR spotted the ball on the elbow. VAR is good, and it was used properly today. Though, the rule I think is a bit tricky because, if that were to occur on a set piece in which the ball would've gotten to the attacker anyway, then it becomes a nullified goal due to an accident that really didn't affect the direction of the ball. Can't say, as a Cherries supporter that I'm all that keen on it, but I can be convinced to like it haha.
     
  4. atlantacowboy

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    It was iffy. His back foot was not clear of the defender prior to the pass. Announcers said the same.
     
  5. JBS

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    It doesn't matter what the announcers say..var on offsides uses Hawkeye...there are no ifs ands or buts involved..it's incredibly precise
     
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  6. atlantacowboy

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    Well, if thats so, they didn't show the angle they used to make the call.
     
  7. camelboy

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    Don't like it at all. People were complaining about refs missing this call and that call, and once they got the "almost" ultimate correct call, they are now compiling about the extent of correctness this technology invokes in the game. So refs now are holding their hands in the air wondering, do you want the ultimate correct call or the human factor???

    So here we are, same complaints except we are complaining how correct it is now. Add the factor of less joy and emotions that VAR offers, it should be eliminated completely.

    Likewise, it is early days and I can see there is a possibility of more effective, quicker, and less distracting VAR

    COYS

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  8. Furboy

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    I see the need for VAR to prevent egregious situations like deliberate hand balls that can be hard to spot or red cards, but the human element is a bit of the fun. I think they're overusing it now.
     
  9. camelboy

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    Like you said, human element is part of the fun. I wish they are as aggressive when dealing with the constant and growing diving and fake injuries. To me that is more important to kick out of the game than ref calls. Always wanted a caught dive to institute a 5-game unpaid suspension. Do it once, and it will stop for good

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  10. Furboy

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    Oh, I agree. I wish they'd use it more for diving too, and that's hopefully why they check it when deciding whether or not to send someone off.
     
  11. csirl

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    Only as good as how well its set up - so subject to human error in programing the system to individual venues. I remember the system in Croke Park getting hurling scores wrong because someone inputed an incorrect measurement!
     
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  12. NeathBlue

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    VAR should never have been introduced...
    The call for technology to assist was ramped up after Lampard had the no goal against Germany... but at the time we were told it would only be used for matter of fact incidents and not subjective ones... but as the penalty awarded to France in the World Cup final proved, it’s being used for subjective incidents and that’s always going to cause problems.
    They should leave it at goal line technology only, for deciding if the ball has crossed the goal line or not.
     
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  13. joseephuss

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    What was subjective about the penalty in the World Cup? VAR showed the ball hit the hand. That is objective. Did it hit his hand or not? The ref didn't think it hit his hand, but VAR showed it did. That is basically what VAR showed in the match yesterday between Man City and Tot. Part of the reason for the rule change was to remove some subjectivity for the refs. They don't have to determine of the ball hitting the players arm was intentional or not. Just if it did and VAR showed that.
     
  14. NeathBlue

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    You answered your own question in saying the ball hit his hand... ball to hand is not hand ball!
    That’s why almost every pundit, player and ex players all said at the time that it shouldn’t have been given, it wasn’t hand to ball.
    And regardless of if you and I think opposite of if it was... The decision to give the penalty was subjective and not matter of fact.
     
  15. atlantacowboy

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    The system works. You can't have slow motion replays available on TV to viewers and not be allowed to use the technology to correct bad calls or missed calls. Their is still a lot of referee judgement and always will be.
     
  16. joseephuss

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    In the WC, the referee initially gave Croatia a goal kick. He didn't even see the ball go off the Croatia player. VAR allowed him to see his call was wrong. It gave a clear view of the ball not only going off the defender, but off his hand. Not almost every pundit, player and ex-player saw it as a bad call. There were equal amount saying otherwise. It was probably 50-50 on the decision. The decision that it was not a goal kick was 100% and that portion was objective. I do think the job of the referee is about being subjective at times. The referee is still the one making the call in this situation. Whether he did it in real time or with the use of an assistant ref or VAR.
     
  17. jterrell

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    Holy crud we(Chelsea) won a match.! That is all, that's the post.

    VAR is fine provided they determine the specific use and don't leave gray areas where they sometimes overturn subjective calls and other times do not.
    And they have to keep it's use minimalized. 6 or 7 reviews per game would be robbing "soccer" of being soccer. Its a non-stop flowing beautiful game.
     
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  18. StylisticS

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    Tomorrows NLD must be won by The Arsenal tomorrow.
     
  19. joseephuss

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    Pulisic with the hat trick today. Meanwhile Hazard is a non-factor for Real Madrid. I'm kidding. It wasn't a straight swap for the two players. After struggling to see playing time, it was nice to see Pulisic make the most of his opportunities today.
     
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  20. daschoo

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    This is I think one of the driving factors, it's more driven for TV than the folk at the game.
    Also regarding using it for offside, I read an article a couple of months ago that was arguing how precise it is. Was basically saying there's not technology yet invented to have a frame per second rate with a margin of error accurate enough for some of the decisions being made.
     
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