Eric Weddle needs to wear the Star in September

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Just realized this guy was a UFA. He might be the most underrated player in the NFL. Very, Very good safety.

SD uses him like how Pitt using Polamalu. He can play both FS and SS.

Jerry, get er' done !!!! Surprised theres no talk about him around here.

:star:
 
CanuckCowboysFan;3845347 said:
Just realized this guy was a UFA. He might be the most underrated player in the NFL. Very, Very good safety.

SD uses him like how Pitt using Polamalu. He can play both FS and SS.

Jerry, get er' done !!!! Surprised theres no talk about him around here.

:star:

if the price is right I would do it in a heartbeat. dude would be a HUGE upgrade over Ball.
 
I'll admit that I haven't followed him much but seems a little small for a S at 5'11" 200 lbs......
 
realtick;3845409 said:
Canuck, you have a way with hyperbole.

How is that? Did I say he was the best safety in the NFL?

He is very underrated. You probably typed in Eric Weddle stats on google and thought otherwise.
 
I have always liked Weddle too. Was a big playmaker in college, not so much in SD which requires more discipline & much less free lancing. But the guy is a leader, versatile, smart as a whip and a sure tackler. In Rob Ryan's system, may be allowed to play to his instincts more.
 
CanuckCowboysFan;3845414 said:
How is that? Did I say he was the best safety in the NFL?

He is very underrated. You probably typed in Eric Weddle stats on google and thought otherwise.

You said, "He might be the most underrated player in the NFL," I think that's a bit exagerrated. And when that comes from the guy who says things like "Kenny Tate is the next Sean Taylor," I think you shouldn't be so testy about it.

And no, I've actually seen him play quite a lot living in California myself.

If you're using a guy like Alan Ball as a baseline to judge talent, then Weddle is a vast improvement and superior player. If you're looking at him compared to the other safeties around the NFL in general, he's a decent to good player.

I wouldn't mind him at all in Dallas, because we need an upgrade in general. But when I think of "most underrated player in the league," no, Eric Weddle doesn't come to mind.
 
realtick;3845422 said:
You said, "He might be the most underrated player in the NFL."

And no, I've actually seen him play quite a lot living in California myself.

If you're using a guy like Alan Ball as a baseline to judge talent, then Weddle is a vast improvement and superior player. If you're looking at him compared to the other safeties around the NFL in general, he's a decent player.

Sorry, 2nd team all pro isn't decent. After the Polamalus, the Ed Reeds, the Nick Collins, you have that 2nd tier which Weddle is in.

How often do you hear his name being mentioned? Hardly ever. Ask any SD fan how valuable he is to that team.

And apparently I'm not the only one who thinks this.

1.) Eric Weddle, S, Chargers. Age: 26.
Eric Weddle is due for a massive contract. Excluding Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu, Weddle might be the best safety in the NFL (though Nick Collins may have something to say about that).

He doesn't get the recognition he deserves cause he doesn't produce many sportscentre highlights. But he's great in coverage and even better in run support.
 
CanuckCowboysFan;3845430 said:
Ask any SD fan how valuable he is to that team.

OK, here's an extensive breakdown of Eric Weddle from the boltsfromtheblue.com website. Pay particular attention to the analysis on the zone and press coverage summaries.

X's and O's - Eric Weddle

[URL="http://cdn1.sbnation.com/profile_images/373711/bftbdog_medium_medium_tiny.jpg"][/URL] by John Gennaro

I like Eric Weddle. A lot. I may even have a bit of a mancrush on the guy, but who can blame me. Coming out of college we heard the most glorious things about him. That he was unbelievably smart, had the best instincts on the field and although he was small he had the skills to be a prolific CB, FS or SS. His first year with the team did nothing to dash those hopes. He played in specialized situations. He was the blitzing strong safety or the guy to stick with your small/quick/smart WR as a CB. Not only did he create pressure almost every time he blitzed, he would occasionally shut down a tough WR that was giving other CBs, safeties and LBs fits. He also had one of the most crucial plays of 2007 with his one-handed interception that was made while he was being blocked by the Colts' pro bowl center Jeff Saturday.

Everyone was on board last offseason when the team decided to let Marlon McCree leave via free agency and give Weddle more time on the field. Even though he was young, he was smart and a natural "ballhawk". It had to yield great results. It didn't.

Now, here's where things get a little negative and also a little broader. In the last few weeks I've rewatched every Chargers game in their entirety, keeping an eye on the players fulfilling their assignments rather than simply watching the ball and hoping for a touchdown. It had really opened my eyes as to the talent level of some of the players on our team. For instance, Stephen Cooper is REALLY good. I thought he was a good ILB, but he may be the best 3-4 ILB I've ever watched. Unbelievable instincts, power and speed. Also, for some reason Igor Olshansky is a better NT than a DE (even in the 3-4). I now have mini-reviews of each player on the team that tells me what they're good at, what they're bad at and if they should be replaced. Let's start with Weddle.

Eric Weddle is limited only by his own body. The same way Wes Welker can never be Randy Moss, Eric Weddle can never be Ed Reed. (This is where I have to state that Reed is not being declared as the best safety in the league, just like Moss is not longer the best WR in the league. It's just a better analogy this way.) For this reason, Weddle serves as a potential weakness on our defense regardless of his position but an even larger weakness as our free safety.

For those that may not know the difference between the two safeties, the free safety plays deeper than the other safety to offer help "over the top" and prevent big pass plays. The strong safety plays "down" or closer to the line of scrimmage and is usually responsible for covering TEs, RBs and occasionally blitzing. Ed Reed is a good idea of someone who's a pure FS, while Rodney Harrison is probably the prototype for SS. Brian Dawkins and Troy Polamalu have (or had) the skills to play both positions and sometimes switch back and forth depending on the rest of the talent on the team. Eric Weddle was drafted to be similar to Dawkins or Polamalu, but falls short in several different categories. Let's go through them as a way to analyze Weddle as a player:

Tackling/Run Defense - Weddle ranks as a good tackler. He certainly has the numbers. In his first full year as a starter he collected 103 tackles and another 22 tackle assists. He always seems to be around the play and has fantastic technique. He almost always wraps up the legs and spins to the ground. While he's never been flat-out embarassed, he has a real problem with taking down power RBs head-on. Using his smart, he typically tries to hold them up while waiting for a LB or D-lineman to finish the job. Basically, he's a great tackling CB, an average tackling FS and a below-average tackler for the SS position.

Tackling/Blitzing - He's definitely one of the best blitzers on the team. I'd go so far to say he's a close 3rd behind Phillips. He's just too quick and slippery to be blocked by a lineman or a fullback. Considering most RBs aren't the best pass blockers, he does a great job at going around them too. In 2008 he wasn't utilized nearly enough in this role, mostly because of how afraid the coaches were to put Hart out there as the deep safety. Weddle wasn't that much better...

Pass Coverage (zone) - Here is Weddle's biggest weakness. Granted, he has only been a starter for one year, but towards the end of that year when the rest of the team was progressing Weddle seemed to be regressing in his zone coverage schemes. He is always late with his "over the top" coverage unless he plays ridiculously far back. In our playoff game against the Colts he was atrocious. After being beat with the deep ball twice in the first half (and once that should've been an easy TD for Wayne but was an inaccurate throw) Weddle began playing 20 yards off the ball, which lead to Manning hitting wide-open underneath routes for a couple of big drives (including two converted third downs). After a while Weddle was moved to SS and was effective on the blitz, but Gregory struggled to do any better in coverage. When the Colts were in the red zone I saw at least two plays where Jammer and Cason double-covered a receiver (both Wayne and Gonzalez got the treatment), with Jammer playing as the "over the top" safety and Cason playing underneath. They were much more effective.

Pass Coverage (man) - Kindof a mixed bag. Once again, Weddle is limited by his own body. He struggles against big TEs and can be beaten deep by some "deep threat" slot receivers (ala Nate Washington). He does a very good job against RBs in coverage and is sometimes better than Cason (or Cromatie this year) at lining up against shifty receivers (Welker, Anthony Gonzalez, Eddie Royal). The more tape I watch of him, the more I realize that this is Weddle's game. One-on-one, man-on-man. He can outsmart you, outquick you and outhustle you. Put him in a zone and force him to read the QB and see the play before it's happening and he's not as good.

Here's the point where I start making everyone angry. I don't think Weddle has a future as a starting FS in this league. His weaknesses (fighting for jump balls, reading QBs, top speed) make him much better suited for other positions. Now trust me, I want to keep Weddle around and keep him on the field....but I think keeping him as FS keeps a large hole in our defense.

Now, this all means nothing, it's not like AJ or Norv are reading BftB and taking our advice. But if you were in their shoes, what would you do? Personally, I think he's a poor FS, an good SS (although a dynamic one. polamalu can't cover big TEs either) and a very good nickel corner. Logic says he doesn't get moved to nickel corner because we like all 3 of our corners and don't want to risk screwing that up. However, I think when we're looking at the draft we should be looking at free safeties (and cornerbacks that can be moved, ala Michael Griffin) with the idea of moving Weddle to SS. It's where he fits better, because it allows him to play close to the line and blitz regularly. This would certainly open up the possibility of TEs being covered semi-frequently by a LB while Weddle tries to sneak through the line. For the record, I believe the only reason Weddle didn't play SS this past year is because Clinton Hart an even worse FS than he is a SS.
 
realtick;3845450 said:
OK, here's an extensive breakdown of Eric Weddle from the boltsfromtheblue.com website. Pay particular attention to the analysis on the zone and press coverage summaries.

X's and O's - Eric Weddle

by John Gennaro

I like Eric Weddle. A lot. I may even have a bit of a mancrush on the guy, but who can blame me. Coming out of college we heard the most glorious things about him. That he was unbelievably smart, had the best instincts on the field and although he was small he had the skills to be a prolific CB, FS or SS. His first year with the team did nothing to dash those hopes. He played in specialized situations. He was the blitzing strong safety or the guy to stick with your small/quick/smart WR as a CB. Not only did he create pressure almost every time he blitzed, he would occasionally shut down a tough WR that was giving other CBs, safeties and LBs fits. He also had one of the most crucial plays of 2007 with his one-handed interception that was made while he was being blocked by the Colts' pro bowl center Jeff Saturday.

Everyone was on board last offseason when the team decided to let Marlon McCree leave via free agency and give Weddle more time on the field. Even though he was young, he was smart and a natural "ballhawk". It had to yield great results. It didn't.

Now, here's where things get a little negative and also a little broader. In the last few weeks I've rewatched every Chargers game in their entirety, keeping an eye on the players fulfilling their assignments rather than simply watching the ball and hoping for a touchdown. It had really opened my eyes as to the talent level of some of the players on our team. For instance, Stephen Cooper is REALLY good. I thought he was a good ILB, but he may be the best 3-4 ILB I've ever watched. Unbelievable instincts, power and speed. Also, for some reason Igor Olshansky is a better NT than a DE (even in the 3-4). I now have mini-reviews of each player on the team that tells me what they're good at, what they're bad at and if they should be replaced. Let's start with Weddle.

Eric Weddle is limited only by his own body. The same way Wes Welker can never be Randy Moss, Eric Weddle can never be Ed Reed. (This is where I have to state that Reed is not being declared as the best safety in the league, just like Moss is not longer the best WR in the league. It's just a better analogy this way.) For this reason, Weddle serves as a potential weakness on our defense regardless of his position but an even larger weakness as our free safety.

For those that may not know the difference between the two safeties, the free safety plays deeper than the other safety to offer help "over the top" and prevent big pass plays. The strong safety plays "down" or closer to the line of scrimmage and is usually responsible for covering TEs, RBs and occasionally blitzing. Ed Reed is a good idea of someone who's a pure FS, while Rodney Harrison is probably the prototype for SS. Brian Dawkins and Troy Polamalu have (or had) the skills to play both positions and sometimes switch back and forth depending on the rest of the talent on the team. Eric Weddle was drafted to be similar to Dawkins or Polamalu, but falls short in several different categories. Let's go through them as a way to analyze Weddle as a player:

Tackling/Run Defense - Weddle ranks as a good tackler. He certainly has the numbers. In his first full year as a starter he collected 103 tackles and another 22 tackle assists. He always seems to be around the play and has fantastic technique. He almost always wraps up the legs and spins to the ground. While he's never been flat-out embarassed, he has a real problem with taking down power RBs head-on. Using his smart, he typically tries to hold them up while waiting for a LB or D-lineman to finish the job. Basically, he's a great tackling CB, an average tackling FS and a below-average tackler for the SS position.

Tackling/Blitzing - He's definitely one of the best blitzers on the team. I'd go so far to say he's a close 3rd behind Phillips. He's just too quick and slippery to be blocked by a lineman or a fullback. Considering most RBs aren't the best pass blockers, he does a great job at going around them too. In 2008 he wasn't utilized nearly enough in this role, mostly because of how afraid the coaches were to put Hart out there as the deep safety. Weddle wasn't that much better...

Pass Coverage (zone) - Here is Weddle's biggest weakness. Granted, he has only been a starter for one year, but towards the end of that year when the rest of the team was progressing Weddle seemed to be regressing in his zone coverage schemes. He is always late with his "over the top" coverage unless he plays ridiculously far back. In our playoff game against the Colts he was atrocious. After being beat with the deep ball twice in the first half (and once that should've been an easy TD for Wayne but was an inaccurate throw) Weddle began playing 20 yards off the ball, which lead to Manning hitting wide-open underneath routes for a couple of big drives (including two converted third downs). After a while Weddle was moved to SS and was effective on the blitz, but Gregory struggled to do any better in coverage. When the Colts were in the red zone I saw at least two plays where Jammer and Cason double-covered a receiver (both Wayne and Gonzalez got the treatment), with Jammer playing as the "over the top" safety and Cason playing underneath. They were much more effective.

Pass Coverage (man) - Kindof a mixed bag. Once again, Weddle is limited by his own body. He struggles against big TEs and can be beaten deep by some "deep threat" slot receivers (ala Nate Washington). He does a very good job against RBs in coverage and is sometimes better than Cason (or Cromatie this year) at lining up against shifty receivers (Welker, Anthony Gonzalez, Eddie Royal). The more tape I watch of him, the more I realize that this is Weddle's game. One-on-one, man-on-man. He can outsmart you, outquick you and outhustle you. Put him in a zone and force him to read the QB and see the play before it's happening and he's not as good.

Here's the point where I start making everyone angry. I don't think Weddle has a future as a starting FS in this league. His weaknesses (fighting for jump balls, reading QBs, top speed) make him much better suited for other positions. Now trust me, I want to keep Weddle around and keep him on the field....but I think keeping him as FS keeps a large hole in our defense.

Now, this all means nothing, it's not like AJ or Norv are reading BftB and taking our advice. But if you were in their shoes, what would you do? Personally, I think he's a poor FS, an good SS (although a dynamic one. polamalu can't cover big TEs either) and a very good nickel corner. Logic says he doesn't get moved to nickel corner because we like all 3 of our corners and don't want to risk screwing that up. However, I think when we're looking at the draft we should be looking at free safeties (and cornerbacks that can be moved, ala Michael Griffin) with the idea of moving Weddle to SS. It's where he fits better, because it allows him to play close to the line and blitz regularly. This would certainly open up the possibility of TEs being covered semi-frequently by a LB while Weddle tries to sneak through the line. For the record, I believe the only reason Weddle didn't play SS this past year is because Clinton Hart an even worse FS than he is a SS.


What year is that? 2008? 2009?

Thats just one guys opinion. For all we know he could be SD's version of Tim Mcmahon.

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=86352

read through that to see what SD fan really think.

You also ignored the fact that he's a 2nd team all pro and the fact that a dude went as far as to say that after Reed and Polamalu Weddle was 3rd.

And I'm not even going to look at press coverage. Who cares about press coverage for a safety?

That guy did say though man-to-man was his big strength....... Basically, that guy was complimentary of Weddle in all phases of the game except for his zone coverage, and this year Weddle was great in zone. So I don't get what you're showing me?
 
I don't see how San Diego would let us have him except under extraordinary circumstances.
 
Personally, I'd sign him before training camp.

He'd be wearing a star in March.
 
CanuckCowboysFan;3845458 said:
What year is that? 2008? 2009?

Thats just one guys opinion. For all we know he could be SD's version of Tim Mcmahon.

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=86352

read through that to see what SD fan really think.

You also ignored the fact that he's a 2nd team all pro and the fact that a dude went as far as to say that after Reed and Polamalu Weddle was 3rd.

And I'm not even going to look at press coverage. Who cares about press coverage for a safety?

That guy did say though man-to-man was his big strength.......

Lol, wait, you said "ask any SD fan."

Now I gave you a SD fan who had an extensive breakdown of Weddle, and now you're saying "that's just one guys opinion."

Further, you're insinuating that the poster could be the Charger's version of Tim McMahon, but then you pick, sift and choose out of his breakdown for positive blurbs and point those out and ignore the rest of his commentary.

Tell me this, what effectively is really different from this guy's final analysis: Personally, I think he's a poor FS, an good SS [....] and a very good nickel corner.

Compared to what I said, "If you're looking at him compared to the other safeties around the NFL in general, he's a decent to good player."

Anyways, you're missing the point, I'm not going to denigrate Weddle because I don't think he sucks. As I said, I wouldn't be opposed to having him on the 'Boys.

The point is/was that you've gone off on another hyperbole tangent for just the latest player you've fallen in love with. In this case, "He (Weddle) might be the most underrated player in the NFL."

I pointed it out in playful banter, but apparently it hit a nerve with you.
 
CanuckCowboysFan;3845458 said:
And I'm not even going to look at press coverage. Who cares about press coverage for a safety?

You freakin' serious?
 
realtick;3845473 said:
Lol, wait, you said "ask any SD fan."

Now I gave you a SD fan who had an extensive breakdown of Weddle, and now you're saying "that's just one guys opinion."

Further, you're insinuating that the poster could be the Charger's version of Tim McMahon, but then you pick, sift and choose out of his breakdown for positive blurbs and point those out and ignore the rest of his commentary.

Tell me this, what effectively is really different from this guy's final analysis: Personally, I think he's a poor FS, an good SS [....] and a very good nickel corner.

Compared to what I said, "If you're looking at him compared to the other safeties around the NFL in general, he's a decent to good player."

Anyways, you're missing the point, I'm not going to denigrate Weddle because I don't think he sucks. As I said, I wouldn't be opposed to having him on the 'Boys.

The point is/was that you've gone off on another hyperbole tangent for just the latest player you've fallen in love with. In this case, "He (Weddle) might be the most underrated player in the NFL."

I pointed it out in playful banter, but apparently it hit a nerve with you.

:lmao2: :lmao2:

Thats because 90% of what he said was COMPLIMENTING the player. He only had bad things to say about his zone coverage, and if you actually watched him play this year, like you said, you'd know that he was a great in zone. Needless to say, this was clearly written in the past. So thanks for posting that article, you're just helping me prove my point. It was extensive alright.

Further, I hold more merit to what a bunch of fans say then one reporter.

What's different is that, that is ONE guys opinion. Because what he said is comparable to yours, this somehow makes it the truth? Okay, I can play that game to.

1). Eric Weddle, S, Chargers. Age: 26.
Eric Weddle is due for a massive contract. Excluding Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu, Weddle might be the best safety in the NFL (though Nick Collins may have something to say about that).

Hmmmm. According to him, Weddle is the 3rd best safety in the NFL. See why we can't play this game?

No, the point is it's not "hyperbole". Based on his play this year, he has been one of the best safeties in the NFL. You refuse to acknowledge he's a 2nd team ALL PRO. He's not "decent". You're wrong. He does not get the credit he deserves, and no one talks about him. Therefore, he is very underrated.

Lastly, *** does "the latest player I've fallen in love with" mean? Why does the fact that I like a player any different then if you liked one? I've always liked the player, and I'll remember that the next time you make a post complimenting a player. ****.
 
CanuckCowboysFan;3846031 said:
Lastly, *** does "the latest player I've fallen in love with" mean? Why does the fact that I like a player any different then if you liked one? I've always liked the player, and I'll remember that the next time you make a post complimenting a player. ****.

First, the article I posted is from a fan blogger that follows the team, it's no different if Rafeal Vela wrote a piece about Gerald Sensabaugh, but it's cute that you're attempting to characterize him as a unobjective writer that just happened to write something about a Charger.

Second, it's great Weddle was named Second Team All Pro, quite the honor.

Yes, such an honor he shared his Second Team status with not one, not two, try NINE OTHER safeties, including Antrel Rolle (Giants) Quinton Mikell (Eagles), Chris Harris (Bears), Michael Huff (Raiders) and Darren Sharper (Saints).

Should I anticipate a thread from you now labelling Chris Harris as "the most, or at least equally, underated player in the entire league?

His summary wasn't all peaches n' cream as you suppose, had you read it, he actually pointed out a lot of areas weakness in Weddle's game.

Why does "the latest player I've fallen in love with" mean? It means you have fanboy tendencies and get mancrushes on whatever your favorite player of the week is. Point blank.

It's been the same predictable routine on the Draft board since I've been visiting it regularly for the past four or five months.

You find a player and trump him up dogmatically with hyperbole passed as undeniable fact and take ridiculous stances seeing things in just black and white ie. "my guy is the greatest, your player sucks...he's gonna be an All Pro...that guy's a bust!"

Shall we rehash the "Kenny Tate is the next Sean Taylor" nonsense?
 
I really liked Weddle coming out of college and wanted him to wear the star badly. Unfortunately things just weren't lined up for us to take a safety that year and I was glad he went to the AFC.
 
I see Eric Weddle giving up just as many big plays than making them, so no thanks!
 

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