News: ESPN: Archer: Why Dak Prescott has become the Cowboys' new Tony Romo

[Reality]

 

[Cowboys5217]

Heck, I'd just take a CTG appearance. My bar has been lowered to that, but yet it seems impossible for the Cowboys to achieve.

 

[VaqueroTD]

Can Dak redeem himself? Based on NFL history, not looking good. The ESPN Article quote is wrong. Warren Moon went longer then Ken Anderson as starter without a Super Bowl. Andy Dalton was only long-term QB I could find who never made it past Wild Card.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-tony-romo-playoffs-mike-mccarthy-jerry-jones

SINCE 1980, KEN Anderson is the only quarterback to be his team's starter for more consecutive seasons than Prescott will have in 2024 (nine) before going to a Super Bowl for the first time. He was in his 10th season as the Cincinnati Bengals' starter in 1981.

Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan made their first Super Bowl appearances in their ninth seasons with the Indianapolis Colts and Atlanta Falcons, respectively. Manning had won two NFL MVPs before getting to his first Super Bowl in 2006 and had to contend with Tom Brady and the New England Patriots' dynasty.

Wildcard Round started in 1978. The big difference now vs then is more teams are in WC Round, but fewer teams start in the Divisional Game with a bye week. A lot of the 80's QBs below skipped the WC Round, which helped them get to Conference Championship, but still have 1-1 playoff seasons like Dak.


OUR BOY....

Player	Team	Starter Years	Playoff Record	Highest Level
Dak Prescottt	Cowboys	8	2-5	NFC Divisional Game

COWBOYS COMPARISONS....

Player	Team	Starter Years	Playoff Record	Highest Level
Danny White	Cowboys	12	5-5	NFC Championship Game
Tony Romo	Cowboys	10	2-4	NFC Divisional Game

LONG-TIME NFL STARTERS WHO NEVER WENT PAST DIVISIONAL GAME

Player	Team	Starter Years	Playoff Record	Highest Level
Andy Dalton	Bengals	9	0-4	AFC Wild Card Game
Warren Moon	Oilers, Vikings, Seahawks	14	3-7	AFC Divisional Game

LONG-TIME NFL STARTERS WHO NEVER WENT TO SUPER BOWL, RECORD BEFORE FIRST CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME

Player	Team	Starter Years	Playoff Record	Highest Level Ever
Bernie Kosar	Browns	1	0-1	Lost AFC vs Broncos
Carson Palmer	Bengals, Cardinals	11	0-2	Lost NFC vs Panthers
Dan Fouts	Chargers	7	0-1	Lost AFC vs Raiders
Vinny Testaverde	Bucs, Browns, Jets	11	1-1	Lost AFC vs Broncos

NFL STARTERS WHO EVENTUALLY WENT TO THE SUPER BOWL, RECORD BEFORE THE BIG GAME

Player	Team	Starter Years	Playoff Record BEFORE	First SB
Peyton Manning	Colts	8	3-6	Won SB vs Bears
Matt Ryan	Falcons	8	1-4	Lost SB vs Patriots
Matt Hasselbeck	Seahawks	4	0-2	Lost SB vs Steelers
Donovan McNabb	Eagles	5	5-4	Lost SB vs Patriots
Ken Anderson	Bengals	10	0-2	Lost SB vs 49ers

 

[diamonddelts]

The most valuable bottom feeder will ball out in the playoffs next year. Book it.

 

[VaqueroTD]

Dak is almost mirror image of Romo. On that the article is true. Matt Ryan had a similar career before producing the all-time Super Bowl collapse against the Patriots.

Peyton Manning had a close career path too. Easily forgotten. HOWEVER, Manning did make it to an AFC Conference Championship in his 4th season after 3 season of Wild card or Division choke jobs. Adding his Tennessee career, probably best story of someone rebounding from a choker tag to winner greatness.

I don't include guys like Elway and Steve Young who battled it out in quite a few Super Bowls or Conference Championships before getting the monkey off their back. Or even Marino who went to SBs early and never could get back. Dak still isn't in their league.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

He’s a loser. Took some of you guys this long to figure it out when it was obvious in 2019. Your faith RUINS you.

 

[VaqueroTD]

Disappointed no reporter even bothered to ask Coach Mac today in his first press conference since job security announced about Dak choking in Playoffs. We have a large local press with no you-know-what. Although half questions came from DC.Com guys. LOL Even if he makes you feel small for the question, would like to hear someone make us feel confident he can keep a steady head through it.

 

[VaqueroTD]

He’s a loser. Took some of you guys this long to figure it out when it was obvious in 2019. Your faith RUINS you.

At this point, he's looking like the QB version of HC Jason Garrett. Jerry going to ride this baby until the end or he loses the players, whichever happens first. Probably would have done it with Romo too, if not for health and age speaking out first, AND Romo did lose the players. They went with Dak.

With Jerry, I think people see involved owner/GM so they think of meddlesome Owners in past like Dan Snyder and this Panthers guy on what could go wrong.

The reality is the opposite. He is extremely loyal to this players and coaches to a fault, and we've all seen him hang on to many lost causes far too long.

And it's basically because he doesn't have to answer to anyone, like all GMs do. If the relationship and communication is there (or they still sell jerseys! LOL) he will be patient and hope for the best.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Matt Ryan - played in CTG in 5th season.

Peyton Manning - played in CTG in 6th season.

The only real comparison is with Ken Anderson.

 

[VaqueroTD]

Matt Ryan - played in CTG in 5th season.

Peyton Manning - played in CTG in 6th season.

The only real comparison is with Ken Anderson.

Good point on Ryan. Put the Manning one down, but didn't catch the Ryan NFC Champ. game.

I don't have time to go through all of them, but the ones I did list with long careers.... what is disturbing is that the ones who did take 7-10 years to finally get to a Conference Championship never went to a Super Bowl anyways.

Dak is a good guy, hard not to like him and want the best, but we're talking HUGE outlier now at this point in his career. We will be breaking another record if Dak goes to the SB.

Ignoring consecutive years as starter, Jim Plunkett might be the only one I can think of that went so long before a SB? Didn't look at his record.

 

[FoxF]

Where are the articles calling out the coaching and Jones?

 

[HMJYay]

Romo didn't play terribly in any of his playoff games. He did play bad against Minnesota in 2009. Played really good against philly in 2009 to get into the playoffs and really good again to beat Philly the next week. Played good against the Giants in 2007, led a 9 minute drive to take the lead before half and the defense let the Giants score in 43 seconds. Hit Patrick Crayton for a wide open touchdown (no one within 30 yards) and Crayton dropped it. Played really good against Detroit is 2014 and had a 143 rating in the cold against Green bay. Dak has played putrid in the majorty of his playoff games. His play cost the team games. Romo's did not. Not the same at all.

 

[Starstruck22]

Can Dak redeem himself? Based on NFL history, not looking good. The ESPN Article quote is wrong. Warren Moon went longer then Ken Anderson as starter without a Super Bowl. Andy Dalton was only long-term QB I could find who never made it past Wild Card.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-tony-romo-playoffs-mike-mccarthy-jerry-jones


Wildcard Round started in 1978. The big difference now vs then is more teams are in WC Round, but fewer teams start in the Divisional Game with a bye week. A lot of the 80's QBs below skipped the WC Round, which helped them get to Conference Championship, but still have 1-1 playoff seasons like Dak.


OUR BOY....

Player	Team	Starter Years	Playoff Record	Highest Level
Dak Prescottt	Cowboys	8	2-5	NFC Divisional Game

COWBOYS COMPARISONS....

Player	Team	Starter Years	Playoff Record	Highest Level
Danny White	Cowboys	12	5-5	NFC Championship Game
Tony Romo	Cowboys	10	2-4	NFC Divisional Game

LONG-TIME NFL STARTERS WHO NEVER WENT PAST DIVISIONAL GAME

Player	Team	Starter Years	Playoff Record	Highest Level
Andy Dalton	Bengals	9	0-4	AFC Wild Card Game
Warren Moon	Oilers, Vikings, Seahawks	14	3-7	AFC Divisional Game

LONG-TIME NFL STARTERS WHO NEVER WENT TO SUPER BOWL, RECORD BEFORE FIRST CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME

Player	Team	Starter Years	Playoff Record	Highest Level Ever
Bernie Kosar	Browns	1	0-1	Lost AFC vs Broncos
Carson Palmer	Bengals, Cardinals	11	0-2	Lost NFC vs Panthers
Dan Fouts	Chargers	7	0-1	Lost AFC vs Raiders
Vinny Testaverde	Bucs, Browns, Jets	11	1-1	Lost AFC vs Broncos

NFL STARTERS WHO EVENTUALLY WENT TO THE SUPER BOWL, RECORD BEFORE THE BIG GAME

Player	Team	Starter Years	Playoff Record BEFORE	First SB
Peyton Manning	Colts	8	3-6	Won SB vs Bears
Matt Ryan	Falcons	8	1-4	Lost SB vs Patriots
Matt Hasselbeck	Seahawks	4	0-2	Lost SB vs Steelers
Donovan McNabb	Eagles	5	5-4	Lost SB vs Patriots
Ken Anderson	Bengals	10	0-2	Lost SB vs 49ers

Does a bear do it in the woods?

 

[VaqueroTD]

Romo didn't play terribly in any of his playoff games. He did play bad against Minnesota in 2009. Played really good against philly in 2009 to get into the playoffs and really good again to beat Philly the next week. Played good against the Giants in 2007, led a 9 minute drive to take the lead before half and the defense let the Giants score in 43 seconds. Hit Patrick Crayton for a wide open touchdown (no one within 30 yards) and Crayton dropped it. Played really good against Detroit is 2014 and had a 143 rating in the cold against Green bay. Dak has played putrid in the majorty of his playoff games. His play cost the team games. Romo's did not. Not the same at all.

I disagree. Dak mostly just stunk up his 49ers games until this GB game. Someone used to post Dak playoff stats with and without Green Bay, and it was night/day.

Now problem with Dak and Stats, is they don't tell the true story on how he comes in cold to these games, feels the pressure, and while he usually keeps it in check and doesn't throw 2 INTs in first half like he did Sunday... he still noticeably declines in play, sometimes playing too conservative and clams up. It's the games where he panics, misses receivers too much in stride or stops reading defenses, where we notice more in the stats. And he always comes in cold, and goes out warm. If he could just play the 1st quarter like he plays the 4th quarter, we'd probably be fine. I'm sure a lot of QBs can say that, but there is a HIGHLY noticeable difference with Dak.

 

[DallasEast]

Some people did not watch Ken Anderson play for Cincinnati.

Ken Anderson has made the Pro Football Hall of Fame final list twice without getting in.

I doubt Tony Romo and Dak Prescott's names will ever make it past the second preliminary round of discussions as a player.

Anderson's name should never be mentioned with either Romo or Prescott in my opinion.

 

[Redline360]

How is he a mirror image of Romo? Because of similar loosing post season records? Typical mouth breather that looks at stats at face value trying to make a point.

Dak has had superior teams on both sides of the ball in the postseason. Breakdown was posted in another thread. Let alone the breakdowns on what happened in each game

 

[HMJYay]

I disagree. Dak mostly just stunk up his 49ers games until this GB game. Someone used to post Dak playoff stats with and without Green Bay, and it was night/day.

Now problem with Dak and Stats, is they don't tell the true story on how he comes in cold to these games, feels the pressure, and while he usually keeps it in check and doesn't throw 2 INTs in first half like he did Sunday... he still noticeably declines in play, sometimes playing too conservative and clams up. It's the games where he panics, misses receivers too much in stride or stops reading defenses, where we notice more in the stats. And he always comes in cold, and goes out warm. If he could just play the 1st quarter like he plays the 4th quarter, we'd probably be fine. I'm sure a lot of QBs can say that, but there is a HIGHLY noticeable difference with Dak.

Agree with most of what you say, but the second half production was with 5 defensive starters out and Green bay playing prevent to use the clock. So, I don't see that as indicitive of how Dak could have played. I see the first half when Green Bay was a full go as much more indicitive.

 

[VaqueroTD]

How is he a mirror image of Romo? Because of similar loosing post season records? Typical mouth breather that looks at stats at face value trying to make a point.

Dak has had superior teams on both sides of the ball in the postseason. Breakdown was posted in another thread. Let alone the breakdowns on what happened in each game

Fair or not, they're all Dallas Cowboys to the national media. (Even if Todd Archer started out local) And all they see is 2 guys who played 8-10 years, came in with home or bye week opportunities and always pooped an egg before even making it past second round.

And going by results above, you can see that it's very rare to have long-term starting QBs like these who haven't made it past second round. Very rare. Both are outliers and on the same team. Only constant is they're both on teams run by Jerry Jones.

 

[SlammedZero]

I'd take Romo 10 times out of 10 in a playoff game over Dak.

 

[HMJYay]

How is he a mirror image of Romo? Because of similar loosing post season records? Typical mouth breather that looks at stats at face value trying to make a point.

Dak has had superior teams on both sides of the ball in the postseason. Breakdown was posted in another thread. Let alone the breakdowns on what happened in each game

Yep. If you look at their performances you see overall Romo's performances helped the team and Dak's let the team down. Dak primarliy has had better teams and much much better defenses. Romo did play on some good teams, but he elevated his teams. All you have to look at is the teams records with Romo out (4-12 and 3-13) vs with Dak out (5-1).