ESPN: Brandon Marshall Demands a Trade, what would you give up

[Alexander]

OK, Alex, YOU take the challenge...

With the Boys currently a little less than 15 mil under the cap, and Marshall reportedly wanting 9 mil a year, tell me how the Boys can eat the remaining portion of Roy's bonus (which will obviously involve telling us how much that will be, since I don't know), and give Ware a contract he could live with...

I say it can't be done, prove me wrong... that's paranoia, that's simply looking at the numbers... I say that Ellis was basically sent packing so that they could get Ware signed, so the thought of signing Marshall-- even if you factor out his apparent sociopathic tendencies-- is a crackhead's pipe dream...

It's paranoia when the fact of the matter is, Jerry Jones himself said one of the reasons Owens might have needed to stay was because of Ware. That's proven to be false as we found another way. Its highly probable the cap figure we have right now doesn't include any other additional massaging that could take place and likely could if we were hellbent on acquiring Marshall.

One of the reasons we had the draft we did was for cap management purposes. People like Bobby Carpenter and others could go the same route Ellis did, in favor of cheaper rookies. Plus there is the possibility of an uncapped year. I doubt either Stephen or Jerry is sitting there chewing their nails off, feeling too tight to the cap and worrying about signing Ware.

I don't know, I don't pretend to know about our plans. But using the money excuse is simple paranoia unless we do know. And as Jones has proven, we don't know, no matter how hard we try to sit at home, whip out our handy dandy calculators and come up for reasons why we couldn't fit someone in.

There are other just as tangible reasons why we wouldn't sign Marshall (character, devoting that kind of cost to the position). Getting the cap managed isn't the most important as I have confidence we've cleared enough off the books and could do more if we wanted to.

The simple fact is, we probably don't want to, which is why this discussion is pointless anyways as I stated before.

 

[alancdc]

Seems he is a TO in his demands for the ball, but with a history of abuse and off field incidents that TO never had.

 

[Seven]

........a Polish Six-pack And My Neighbors Kid.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Yes I know he is a bad guy. But he is a talented bad guy who could be a go to WR for a decade.

#11, 19 and/or 84

Anyone on Defense not #94

Then swap #9 for laser rocket arm #6 and we'd be in great shape!

 

[NeonNinja]

#11, 19 and/or 84

Anyone on Defense not #94

Then swap #9 for laser rocket arm #6 and we'd be in great shape!

Fail, try again.

 

[BAT]

If Jerry has the money & cap flexibility to sign Marshall, then trade for Julius Peppers and sign him instead. Peppers is as much of an impact player without the ****** bag attitude and chemistry killing off field felonies.

 

[JustDezIt]

No one is comfortable with trading anything. There is a stigma against trading for someone ELSEs player, especially when there is anything in the players closet. They completely forget the type of players we had in the 90s. But I digress. There is part of the community who has alienated the idea of trading. Every trade is labeled a "madden" trade, regardless of its logic or true value.

A stand really needs to be taken regarding these thugs. Pacman, Brandon... all of them.

"were you sayin this in 95?"

:donthear::nono::devil:


apparently MOST zoners live in some kind of all righteous alternative world....

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Fail, try again.

#11, 19 and/or 84

Anyone on Defense not #94

Then swap #9 for laser rocket arm #6 and we'd be in great shape!

 

[JustDezIt]

silver bear.....

It depends on how we structure it and whether we want to make this year's cap hit as small as possible. We could give him Haynesworth money, structure it slightly different, and use up less than $4 million of our cap room.

 

[Gryphon]

Source: RotoTimes.com

Brandon Marshall's trade request has been confirmed by his agent, according to ESPN. His agent (Kennard McGuire) said, "There was a meeting with Mr. Bowlen and Brandon did ask to be traded. He was told by ownership that the team would do everything in its power to accommodate those wishes. We do feel that a change of scenery is not only important but necessary."

Our View: The Bears need a No. 1 receiver and would likely love to reunite quarterback Jay Cutler with Marshall - but the Broncos' asking price may be more than the club can afford. The fantasy stock of quarterback Kyle Orton would drop if Marshall is shipped out of Denver as well.

 

[Rampage]

McDaniels has ruined that team. 6-10 for the broncos.

 

[Cowboys22]

McDaniels has ruined that team. 6-10 for the broncos.

Truthfully there wasn't much to ruin but you had to feel like Cutler and Marshall were best pieces to rebuild around and know they're gone. It just means its going to be a longer and harder rebuilding process.

 

[Gryphon]

FYI. Another site is reporting Brandon Marshall is being shopped for a second rounder.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

McDaniels has ruined that team. 6-10 for the broncos.

I dont know. I think McDaniels didnt want any part of DIVA Cutler and doesnt want to be held hostage by a POS WR.

I dont mind his approach.

Truthfully there wasn't much to ruin but you had to feel like Cutler and Marshall were best pieces to rebuild around and know they're gone. It just means its going to be a longer and harder rebuilding process.

Might be better for them. The way the NFL is he could turn it around sooner.

 

[malone1970]

I really don't care what we have to give up, just go get him.... I don't care if he is a problem child (what NFL star isn't some are just quite about it)... Our receivers we have now are injury prone and can't really be depended on. He is young, fast, and has great hands. He would definitely add some juice to our offense!!!!

 

[silverbear]

It's paranoia when the fact of the matter is, Jerry Jones himself said one of the reasons Owens might have needed to stay was because of Ware.

Hmmmm, seems you don't want to take the challenge...

You call me "paranoid", for looking at the numbers, and saying that trading Roy Williams for Brandon Marshall is all but impossible given the Cowboys current cap situation... so let me restate my premise:

1) Right after we traded for Roy last season, we signed him to a rather large contract extension... I don't recall the terms of that extension, but it's a safe assumption that a significant portion of it was in the form of a signing bonus... this is pretty much standard, to minimize the cap hit early in the contract... so if we trade Roy, the remaining unpaid portion of that signing bonus (which would probably be several million, off the top of my head) would immediately count against our cap figure... which according to AdamJT13, is currently just under 15 million...

2) It has been widely reported that in order to keep Brandon Marshall after you trade for him, you're gonna have to pay him 9 mil a season... now, using the signing bonus trick would minimize the first year impact, but it would almost certainly still cost the Boys 5 to 6 mil against the cap this year...

3) It has also been widely speculated that in order to re-sign Ware, you're gonna to have to give him a contract similar to, or better than, those received by James Harrison and Albert Haynesworth this offseason... that means some MAJOR dollars...

So I look at eating the remainder of Williams' signing bonus, the money it's going to cost to get Marshall's name on a contract, and the money it will cost to get Ware's name on a contract this year, and I see absolutely no way that the Boys could do all that with less than 15 million in cap room...

That is not paranoia, Alex, that is pure COMMON SENSE... which is more or less proven by the way you dodged my challenge... while you say you don't think it will happen, you also say it's doable if the Cowboys chose to go that route...

I say that's wrong... and yeah, we got here because I found it a bit annoying, you characterizing my numbers crunching as "paranoia"... so if that's your position, at this point it's on you to defend your position, by demonstrating how it can be done...

Failure to do that suggests you're talking out your anal orifice, in your never-ending quest to play the same role as the charactger in your avatar and sig... you seem to think that your opinions are superior to everyone else's (and at this point, I'll admit that I generally find you to be one of our more informed posters), but this time, it ain't me being paranoid, it's you being full of crapola...

Back to you, Alex...

 

[silverbear]

silver bear.....

OK, that's 4 million... now, what would be the cap hit for trading Roy?? Then, what would be the cap hit for signing Ware??

And of course, we're talking FIRST YEAR cap hit there; obviously, subsequent years would see that number go up considerably...

But thanks for filling in one part of the equation, that's a useful start; Adam's numbers are the gold standard, I would never think to challenge them... I accept that figure without reservation, while noting that's a best case scenario, and suggesting that would maximize the hit in later years, creating major cap problems, so I think his first year hit would be more in the range of 5 to 6 mil... as would Marshall's, just guesstimating... which would leave 5 mil or less to be absorbed by Roy's remaining signing bonus...

So I repeat my opinion that trading Roy for Marshall would render it all but impossible to reup Ware... Alexander's reference to what Jerry said about TO ignores that was made without any thought of trading Roy for Brandon, and thus is irrelevant to this argument...

Note that my argument is strictly about the feasibility of a Roy for Brandon trade... it was made in rebuttal to that specific scenario, and I could see a trade being workable if it involved draft picks, or a trade for a player or players without a recent new deal like Roy's...

I still wouldn't want to go that route, but it would work given the numbers...

 

[MetalHead]

So we got rid of T.O.,and now some are suggesting to bring a player known as "Baby T.O."

Brilliant.

 

[Jon88]

I'm tired of troubled players. This isn't a halfway house anymore.

So, nothing.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Hmmmm, seems you don't want to take the challenge...

You call me "paranoid", for looking at the numbers, and saying that trading Roy Williams for Brandon Marshall is all but impossible given the Cowboys current cap situation... so let me restate my premise:

1) Right after we traded for Roy last season, we signed him to a rather large contract extension... I don't recall the terms of that extension, but it's a safe assumption that a significant portion of it was in the form of a signing bonus... this is pretty much standard, to minimize the cap hit early in the contract... so if we trade Roy, the remaining unpaid portion of that signing bonus (which would probably be several million, off the top of my head) would immediately count against our cap figure... which according to AdamJT13, is currently just under 15 million...

2) It has been widely reported that in order to keep Brandon Marshall after you trade for him, you're gonna have to pay him 9 mil a season... now, using the signing bonus trick would minimize the first year impact, but it would almost certainly still cost the Boys 5 to 6 mil against the cap this year...

3) It has also been widely speculated that in order to re-sign Ware, you're gonna to have to give him a contract similar to, or better than, those received by James Harrison and Albert Haynesworth this offseason... that means some MAJOR dollars...

So I look at eating the remainder of Williams' signing bonus, the money it's going to cost to get Marshall's name on a contract, and the money it will cost to get Ware's name on a contract this year, and I see absolutely no way that the Boys could do all that with less than 15 million in cap room...

That is not paranoia, Alex, that is pure COMMON SENSE... which is more or less proven by the way you dodged my challenge... while you say you don't think it will happen, you also say it's doable if the Cowboys chose to go that route...

I say that's wrong... and yeah, we got here because I found it a bit annoying, you characterizing my numbers crunching as "paranoia"... so if that's your position, at this point it's on you to defend your position, by demonstrating how it can be done...

Failure to do that suggests you're talking out your anal orifice, in your never-ending quest to play the same role as the charactger in your avatar and sig... you seem to think that your opinions are superior to everyone else's (and at this point, I'll admit that I generally find you to be one of our more informed posters), but this time, it ain't me being paranoid, it's you being full of crapola...

Back to you, Alex...

Just stop SilverBear..just stop. Your being too dramatic and your completely wrong. Stop acting like you know everything. Want to borrow my sig? You should.