ESPN Dallas: Brady Quinn deal keeps looking better

[WoodysGirl]

Mar 15
11:07
AM CT

By Tim MacMahon


As much as we rip on the Roy Williams deal, it's only right to point out when the Cowboys committed robbery in a trade.

That's the case with the 2007 draft-day deal, aka the Brady Quinn Con Job.

The Cleveland Browns gave up on Quinn yesterday, when new management shipped the young quarterback to Denver for a fullback, a sixth-round pick and a conditional draft pick. That's what Cleveland has to show for the high 2007 second-rounder and 2008 first-rounder they gave the Cowboys for the right to draft Quinn with the No. 22 overall pick.

The Cowboys parlayed those picks into two guys who will be core pieces around these parts for a long time. They traded up to get OLB Anthony Spencer in 2007 and drafted Felix Jones with the No. 22 overall pick the next season, after the Browns had surprising success. Spencer and Jones performed like Pro Bowlers down the stretch last season, but they're still just scratching the surface of their potential.

Quinn might develop into a decent quarterback in Denver, but that won't benefit the Browns other than increasing the value of the conditional pick.

The Cowboys strongly considered drafting Quinn, who they ranked as a top-10 value. The reason they didn't is Tony Romo. They wisely figured they'd be better off with two young players who could make an impact instead of a guy who wore a cap and held a clipboard.

Give Jerry Jones credit for convincing Cleveland to give up a pair of premium picks. It's the best trade he's made since Jimmy Johnson's days at Valley Ranch.

 

[Hostile]

That will not placate the pissed off fans here. The only thing that will is if Williams starts being a factor.

 

[casmith07]

Talk about robbery, haha. Brady Quinn for Felix the Cat and Anthony Spencer?

Awesome.

 

[baj1dallas]

That will not placate the pissed off fans here.

Nothing will, so who cares?

 

[TwoDeep3]

If any of you recall JFE went ballistic on the trade. Her position was this.

The Dallas Cowboys graded Quinn out to be higher than their draft pick. When he fell they traded him away for the two picks mentioned in the anchor article.

JFE stated that if Dallas graded Quinn out to be of more value than where they would have selected him, it was a fool's errand to pass on him no matter what.

She wrote article after article on this subject skewering Owner Jones for his misstep in not drafting Quinn.

One has to wonder if she will relive her position in an article coming soon and rethink her insistence on choosing Quinn over Spencer and Jones?

Normally I don't hold much stock in what a journalist says since we have moved from a time when people did news reporting to a time when people do editorials and call it journalism. Frankly what we have in news papers, TV and the internet is sports blogs with the by line the clue on what's to come. A four minute article about I, Me and Mine where the writer is the star and the jocks are a by-product.

But I exchanged quite a few emails with Jen-Jen back in the day when this and other things got her goat and she genuflected in news print and band width about mistakes the Cowboys were making. No amount of discourse could sway her from her duty to tell it like it should have been in her mind.

While I truly don't expect it, it would be nice if she were a stand-up guy about this.

I won't hold my breath.

 

[casmith07]

If any of you recall JFE went ballistic on the trade. Her position was this.

The Dallas Cowboys graded Quinn out to be higher than their draft pick. When he fell they traded him away for the two picks mentioned in the anchor article.

JFE stated that if Dallas graded Quinn out to be of more value than where they would have selected him, it was a fool's errand to pass on him no matter what.

She wrote article after article on this subject skewering Owner Jones for his misstep in not drafting Quinn.

One has to wonder if she will relive her position in an article coming soon and rethink her insistence on choosing Quinn over Spencer and Jones?

Normally I don't hold much stock in what a journalist says since we have moved from a time when people did news reporting to a time when people do editorials and call it journalism. Frankly what we have in news papers, TV and the internet is sports blogs with the by line the clue on what's to come. A four minute article about I, Me and Mine where the writer is the star and the jocks are a by-product.

But I exchanged quite a few emails with Jen-Jen back in the day when this and other things got her goat and she genuflected in news print and band width about mistakes the Cowboys were making. No amount of discourse could sway her from her duty to tell it like it should have been in her mind.

While I truly don't expect it, it would be nice if she were a stand-up guy about this.

I won't hold my breath.

 

[CATCH17]

If any of you recall JFE went ballistic on the trade. Her position was this.

The Dallas Cowboys graded Quinn out to be higher than their draft pick. When he fell they traded him away for the two picks mentioned in the anchor article.

JFE stated that if Dallas graded Quinn out to be of more value than where they would have selected him, it was a fool's errand to pass on him no matter what.

She wrote article after article on this subject skewering Owner Jones for his misstep in not drafting Quinn.

One has to wonder if she will relive her position in an article coming soon and rethink her insistence on choosing Quinn over Spencer and Jones?

Normally I don't hold much stock in what a journalist says since we have moved from a time when people did news reporting to a time when people do editorials and call it journalism. Frankly what we have in news papers, TV and the internet is sports blogs with the by line the clue on what's to come. A four minute article about I, Me and Mine where the writer is the star and the jocks are a by-product.

But I exchanged quite a few emails with Jen-Jen back in the day when this and other things got her goat and she genuflected in news print and band width about mistakes the Cowboys were making. No amount of discourse could sway her from her duty to tell it like it should have been in her mind.

While I truly don't expect it, it would be nice if she were a stand-up guy about this.

I won't hold my breath.

You should definetely send her an I told you so email and show us the reply.

 

[jterrell]

That will not placate the pissed off fans here. The only thing that will is if Williams starts being a factor.

that won't placate them either. they'll simply say he is left wide open because austin and witten draw all the coverage and focus on whatever negative there is to grasp for.

rw11 has been wildly underwhelming to be sure, but he isn't as bad as fans and some media want to portray him... a la not good enough to make an NFL club at WR.

 

[casmith07]

that won't placate them either. they'll simply say he is left wide open because austin and witten draw all the coverage and focus on whatever negative there is to grasp for.

rw11 has been wildly underwhelming to be sure, but he isn't as bad as fans and some media want to portray him... a la not good enough to make an NFL club at WR.

If he catches 7 TDs a year for the length of his contract and Miles Austin keeps giving us 10+ with 1000+ yards, I don't see what the complaining is all about.

 

[BAZ]

If he catches 7 TDs a year for the length of his contract and Miles Austin keeps giving us 10+ with 1000+ yards, I don't see what the complaining is all about.

Big time, it's not like he as catching ten a year, every year, until he got to Dallas.

 

[TwentyOne]

That will not placate the pissed off fans here. The only thing that will is if Williams starts being a factor.

Does this mean you are pissed off by pissed off fans ?

 

[DFWJC]

I may be splitting hairs, but with all of us in draft mode, I think we can all see the value of draft picks....we actually gave up a 2nd, a 3rd, and 5th to get Spencer.

If you look what Cleveland got out this, it looks very lobsided, but overall, here is actually what we gave up:

We received
2007 pick 26--Spencer
2008 pick 22--F Jones

We gave up
2007 pick 22 (maybe Spencer, Jon Beason, or B merriweather)
2007 pick 36 (maybe Lamarr Woodley or Sidney Rice)
2007 pick 87 (maybe Zac deOssie, Steve Breaston, or LeRon Mclain)
2007 pick 159 (maybe Pierre Thomas or Bret Celek)

So really we got Felix for the opportunity to draft (if we drafted perfectly) LaMarr Woodley, Steve Beaston, Pierre Thomas)

Spencer was a wash

It's sometimes not as simple as the writers want to make it. Things turned out great for us and we may not have picked any of those guys with the extra picks we gave up, but it's a good exercise in seeing the possible value of drat picks.
We gave up
1st round

 

[TellerMorrow34]

That will not placate the pissed off fans here. The only thing that will is if Williams starts being a factor.

It's really best to simply do our best to not even notice what some fans here complain about cause they'll complain no matter what.

Especially the part of the crowd who actually think they're experts and know more about football, and what it takes to be in the NFL, than those who are being paid to do it.

 

[Four]

this thread pisses me off.

 

[casmith07]

Hair-Splitting Post

Stop splitting hairs! :laugh2:

 

[lcharles]

The only thing I give Jerry credit for is my high blood pressure. :geezer:

 

[gbrittain]

That will not placate the pissed off fans here. The only thing that will is if Williams starts being a factor.

All deals must be winners. Clearly you did not get the memo.

 

[Established1971]

I may be splitting hairs, but with all of us in draft mode, I think we can all see the value of draft picks....we actually gave up a 2nd, a 3rd, and 5th to get Spencer.

If you look what Cleveland got out this, it looks very lobsided, but overall, here is actually what we gave up:

We received
2007 pick 26--Spencer
2008 pick 22--F Jones

We gave up
2007 pick 22 (maybe Spencer, Jon Beason, or B merriweather)
2007 pick 36 (maybe Lamarr Woodley or Sidney Rice)
2007 pick 87 (maybe Zac deOssie, Steve Breaston, or LeRon Mclain)
2007 pick 159 (maybe Pierre Thomas or Bret Celek)

So really we got Felix for the opportunity to draft (if we drafted perfectly) LaMarr Woodley, Steve Beaston, Pierre Thomas)

Spencer was a wash

It's sometimes not as simple as the writers want to make it. Things turned out great for us and we may not have picked any of those guys with the extra picks we gave up, but it's a good exercise in seeing the possible value of drat picks.
We gave up
1st round

Well this is what I always tell people when they say variations of "the 90s dynasty is all because of one lucky trade (Walker)." We didnt get exactly what people contend we got. For example we got part of Emmit Smith, not all of him, with a Viking pick, as we parlayed that with some of our own to move up to get Smith. So, yes it isnt always as simple or as lopsided as people say. But then again, what are we gonna do, verbalize or display charts every time you make a point?

 

[WoodysGirl]

The Brady Quinn debate

March, 15, 2010 Mar 15
1:35
PM CT


By Calvin Watkins



In 2007, the Cowboys had a chance to draft quarterback Brady Quinn but elected to trade that pick to Cleveland for a second round choice and a 2008 first round pick.

There was nothing wrong with Quinn creating competition with starting quarterback Tony Romo. If anything, the thinking is that if Romo struggled, you had a younger quarterback in waiting.

Well, I was wrong. The Cowboys used their 2007 first round pick on Anthony Spencer, somebody they targeted from the beginning. In 2008, the Cowboys first round pick, thanks to the Browns, was running back Felix Jones.

That same draft, they picked up Mike Jenkins, as the other first round pick.

It seems the Cowboys trade worked out here with Jenkins a Pro Bowl corner, after only two seasons, and Jones is turning into a special player.

Quinn meanwhile is looking to start over seeing he was traded to Denver.

 

[iceberg]

If any of you recall JFE went ballistic on the trade. Her position was this.

The Dallas Cowboys graded Quinn out to be higher than their draft pick. When he fell they traded him away for the two picks mentioned in the anchor article.

JFE stated that if Dallas graded Quinn out to be of more value than where they would have selected him, it was a fool's errand to pass on him no matter what.

She wrote article after article on this subject skewering Owner Jones for his misstep in not drafting Quinn.

One has to wonder if she will relive her position in an article coming soon and rethink her insistence on choosing Quinn over Spencer and Jones?

Normally I don't hold much stock in what a journalist says since we have moved from a time when people did news reporting to a time when people do editorials and call it journalism. Frankly what we have in news papers, TV and the internet is sports blogs with the by line the clue on what's to come. A four minute article about I, Me and Mine where the writer is the star and the jocks are a by-product.

But I exchanged quite a few emails with Jen-Jen back in the day when this and other things got her goat and she genuflected in news print and band width about mistakes the Cowboys were making. No amount of discourse could sway her from her duty to tell it like it should have been in her mind.

While I truly don't expect it, it would be nice if she were a stand-up guy about this.

I won't hold my breath.

it's her job to go ballistic and dog on everything jones does. for the most part, that's what fans want to see. the drama. she provides it. the great long lost art of writing *talent* is wasted on these blogger hacks who more like sucker fish around a shark than adding any real value to the sport.