ESPN - Favre can come back not guaranteed starting job

[gbrittain]

Rogers looked pretty good against us after Farve did his playoff performance impression.

Julius had a few good games too, which is more than a half.

We all know how that worked out.

 

[utrunner07]

Really? I dont think the stats skew anything about a 6 INT game, a 4 INT game and two completely boneheaded interceptions in playoff overtime, but thats just me.

So Aikman's last five years shows he was no good in the playoffs? Shoot in his last three playoff games Aikman was 2TD and 7 INT....AWFUL...why did we even want him around?

 

[Cochese]

So Aikman was terrible in the playoffs?

This is going nowhere.

3 time Champion, Super Bowl MVP.

Im also going to say that Cowboy fandom has reached a low when you are trying to belittle the accomplishments of an all time legend, who's playoff performances paved the way for THREE championships in order to prop up a lousy Green Bay Packer. Well done.

 

[utrunner07]

This is going nowhere.

3 time Champion, Super Bowl MVP.

No it is actually going somewhere just not where you want it to go...

1 time Champion, 3 time NFL MVP, (should have won another SB based soley on his performance)...also you will never be able to argue that the Packers team Favre was on were anywhere near the talent levels of Aikman's teams....

So yes this is going some where and yes you are wrong that Packer's "brass" are tired of watching Favre tank playoff games...

 

[FloridaRob]

Favre gets the ultimate blame for the playoff but if the team had been a little bit better then they could have won it without him having to do it by himself. People like to point to the Philly game in the playoffs but if the defense doesnt give up a 4th and 26 or if Sherman goes for it on 4th and inches, and other games there are other scenarios that left it all up for FAvre. In this past championship game, if Al harris wasnt schooled by Plaxico Burress in the art of catching a pass, then the team would have not left it all up to him.

Criticize him all you want (Mick) but in his career he NEVER played with a HOF offensive player. Can you say that about Aikman, Montana, YOung, etc. Would or could that have a made a differerence. I think so. So the responsibilty was his to pick up lesser players and make them very good. He did that time and time again. It would have been nice if he could have played with great players and HOF players like the other great Qbs have had the priviledge.

 

[Woods]

Let's get serious.

Favre was a great QB.

I have to admit, though, I am tired of the press fawning all over him.

Also, though Favre played well last year, I'm not sure how much more of top quality play he has left in him. Maybe that's one reason the Packers think it's time to move on with A Rodgers . . . . Favre's best days are probably well behind him.

 

[utrunner07]

Im also going to say that Cowboy fandom has reached a low when you are trying to belittle the accomplishments of an all time legend, who's playoff performances paved the way for THREE championships in order to prop up a lousy Green Bay Packer. Well done.

I could have chosen almost any QB and you would find that Favre has comparable stats, its just easy to choose Aikman becuase at least I think you have some experience with how good he was...you really don't care so much about belittling Aikman's accomplishments as you do at being proven wrong at every point.

 

[Cochese]

I could have chosen almost any QB and you would find that Favre has comparable stats, its just easy to choose Aikman becuase at least I think you have some experience with how good he was...you really don't care so much about belittling Aikman's accomplishments as you do at being proven wrong at every point.

You havent proven anyone wrong, in fact you claimed it was 'ignorant' to say that Farve tanks it in the playoffs and I showed you a DECADE worth of proof to back it up. If anything it is YOU who has been proven wrong.

 

[Nav22]

Um... Favre didn't retire because the Packers told him they wanted to start Rodgers. It's an interesting take, but still entirely inaccurate.

In fact, a few weeks after he retired, Favre changed his mind and the Packers were willing to bring him back. They were preparing a press conference to announce that #4 was un-retiring.

But Favre flip-flopped yet again and said he wants to stay retired. So the team moved forward, named Rodgers the starter, and drafted 2 QBs in the draft.

 

[Cochese]

1998 - Loss - 2 TD, 2 INT, 79.7 rating
1999 - No playoffs
2000 - No playoffs
2001 - 1 Win, 1 Loss - 4 TD, 7 INT, 67.0 rating
2002 - Loss - 1 TD, 2 INT, 54.4 rating
2003 - 1 Win, 1 Loss - 3 TD, 1 INT, 94.2 - Hey, Dawkins is WIDE open!!
2004 - Loss - 1 TD, 4 INT, 55.4 rating
2005 - No playoffs
2006 - No playoffs
2007 - 1 Win, 1 Loss - 5 TD, 2 INT- Awesome pass to Corey Webster.

 

[utrunner07]

You havent proven anyone wrong, in fact you claimed it was 'ignorant' to say that Farve tanks it in the playoffs and I showed you a DECADE worth of proof to back it up. If anything it is YOU who has been proven wrong.

No, I am pretty sure by this point you know you were wrong. Favre had bad playoff games, so did Aikman, Young, Manning, Montana, Namath, Bradshaw, Ellway...(you get the point?)...also in your two games that you are holding onto so desperately, why don't you go back and look at a couple of those interceptions, you will find more than a couple were simply desperation picks at the end of the half/game...and if you wan't to look at his stats (which can do not show everything) at least look at his carear playoff stats instead of his last ten years....you've seen what happens when you do the same with Aikman and it aint pretty....so yes you are wrong and you can argue till you are 97 but it is not going to change the fact that you are wrong...

 

[utrunner07]

1998 - Loss - 2 TD, 2 INT, 79.7 rating
1999 - No playoffs
2000 - No playoffs
2001 - 1 Win, 1 Loss - 4 TD, 7 INT, 67.0 rating
2002 - Loss - 1 TD, 2 INT, 54.4 rating
2003 - 1 Win, 1 Loss - 3 TD, 1 INT, 94.2 - Hey, Dawkins is WIDE open!!
2004 - Loss - 1 TD, 4 INT, 55.4 rating
2005 - No playoffs
2006 - No playoffs
2007 - 1 Win, 1 Loss - 5 TD, 2 INT- Awesome pass to Corey Webster.

sigh...we have been over this...what you thought if you typed it out like this it would make you right? No...does not work that way.

 

[Cochese]

sigh...we have been over this...what you thought if you typed it out like this it would make you right? No...does not work that way.

Lets see some support for what you are saying besides your opinion. You say I am wrong? PROVE IT! I am talking about Brett Favre, not Elway, Aikman, Montana, Young or ANYONE ELSE!

Ive given you a decades worth of bad performances and all you can do is tell me im wrong. Its a joke.

 

[utrunner07]

Lets see some support for what you are saying besides your opinion. You say I am wrong? PROVE IT! I am talking about Brett Favre, not Elway, Aikman, Montana, Young or ANYONE ELSE!

Prove it? Ok...Favre was great in the playoff! He was 39TD and 28INT, with MOST of those INTs comming in a couple of bad games that if you take out make him 36 TD and 18 INT...pretty dang good! Plus a super bowl and almost winning another....

then add onto that the level of talent around him (which was never up to his level)...he is one of the most solid playoff guys of all time!!!!
Proven.

(BTW it is truly ridiculous and meaningless to say someone is good with out comparing them to their competitors)

 

[Cochese]

Prove it? Ok...Favre was great in the playoff! He was 39TD and 28INT, with MOST of those INTs comming in a couple of bad games that if you take out make him 36 TD and 18 INT...pretty dang good! Plus a super bowl and almost winning another....

then add onto that the level of talent around him (which was never up to his level)...he is one of the most solid playoff guys of all time!!!!
Proven.

You can just take away 10 interceptions!! You dont get mulligans on bad games in the playoffs!! Of all the stupid ****.....

 

[utrunner07]

You can just take away 10 interceptions!! You dont get mulligans on bad games in the playoffs!! Of all the stupid ****.....

Lol, you are such a HYPOCRITE! YOUR ENTIRE PREMISE OF YOUR STATS WAS REMOVING HIS GREAT YEARS IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!! All I did was remove his two bad ones!!!!! (if you will notice I took out the 3 Tds from those games too)

You want to look at his entire career? Fine by me. but that is NOT what you were doing in looking at the last half of his career.

 

[Cochese]

Lol, you are such a HYPOCRITE! YOUR ENTIRE PREMISE OF YOUR STATS WAS REMOVING HIS GREAT YEARS IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!! All I did was remove his two bad ones!!!!! (if you will notice I took out the 3 Tds from those games too)

Can you even read? I said the Packers brass must be sick of watching Brett tank it in the playoffs, and gave a decades worth of evidence of him tanking it in the playoffs as proof. Anything else, you created.

Farve WAS great...in the 90's...

 

[utrunner07]

Can you even read? I said the Packers brass must be sick of watching Brett tank it in the playoffs, and gave a decades worth of evidence of him tanking it in the playoffs as proof. Anything else, you created.

Farve WAS great...in the 90's...

I can read.

Favre was 5TD and 2 INT in the playoffs this past year, and lost by a field goal playing on a very watered down offensive unit, pretty sure thats not tanking it.

 

[Cochese]

I can read.

Favre was 5TD and 2 INT in the playoffs this past year, and lost by a field goal playing on a very weak offensive unit, pretty sure thats not tanking it.

Lost by a field goal because he PASSED THE BALL DIRECTLY TO COREY WEBSTER!

 

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