ESPN Jerry Jones explains why he's not leaving

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jimmy without Jerry won a collegiate national championship. He recruited Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders to go to Oklahoma State of all places. He took 1-15 to the Super Bowl three seasons later with absolutely no "GM help" from Jerry, other than to do what he was told by Jimmy.

If Jerry was "the brains behind the operation", how do you explain the last 17 of years of Cleveland Brown football.

Jimmy would have won big with Romo. Parcells would have, too, but Jerry ran them both off.

Facts seem to really pester you.

Not really.

It's the logic that seems to escape you. Does success in college equal success in the NFL? No. Thus NFL success does not follow college success. I can just as easily point to Johnson's treading water with Shula's team. I give Johnson a tremendous amount of credit no matter what but the crusade to sever Jones from any credit whatsoever is asinine.

The Cowboys have a record right around .500 since Jones took over. The past ten years they ranked 14th in W/L. Its a spectrum of 0 to 160 and not on/off. Tossing out a team that is 29th is baseless hyperbole. Middling, or mediocre sure but worst in the league is not a fair characterization.

Cool stories about what Johnson or Parcells would have done and the verb choice of 'ran them off' is just oh so factual.

Like I said. Posturing.

 

[daveferr33]

Exactly. Couldn't agree more. At this point he too far in. So he can stick with Garrett, hire coordinators, take shots in the draft, etc because at some point he just wants one chance to say "see, did it my way and it worked." All it take is one season to fall into place.

And if there are expanded playoffs in 2015 and the Cowboys happen to make it that year, that will be enough vindication for Jones for him to say that.

 

[wileedog]

And if there are expanded playoffs in 2015 and the Cowboys happen to make it that year, that will be enough vindication for Jones for him to say that.

At least in his warped mind, you're right.

He better pray Romo holds up for two full seasons though.

 

[erod]

Not really.

It's the logic that seems to escape you. Does success in college equal success in the NFL? No. Thus NFL success does not follow college success. I can just as easily point to Johnson's treading water with Shula's team. I give Johnson a tremendous amount of credit no matter what but the crusade to sever Jones from any credit whatsoever is asinine.

The Cowboys have a record right around .500 since Jones took over. The past ten years they ranked 14th in W/L. Its a spectrum of 0 to 160 and not on/off. Tossing out a team that is 29th is baseless hyperbole. Middling, or mediocre sure but worst in the league is not a fair characterization.

Cool stories about what Johnson or Parcells would have done and the verb choice of 'ran them off' is just oh so factual.

Like I said. Posturing.

No, you're posturing. The culture of the franchise disintegrated when Jimmy left. The team took on Jerry's likeness, and it became a club about partying, women, and booze (and worse). The fear of Jimmy was gone.

You have to subtract the residual from Jimmy in the 1994-95 seasons. Maybe even 1996. The decline began in 1995, but they were so good, they won a Super Bowl anyway (thanks to Neil O'Donnell, because Pittsburgh should have won that game).

Barry couldn't tighten the ship if he wanted to. No one could have. Jerry was drunk on power and himself. He was full-on, look-at-me obnoxious, believing that he was the architect of the early success.

Then it crashed. 5-11 three years in a row. Ebennezar Ekuban, Kavika Pittman, Solomon Page, Kareem Larrimore, the Hambrick brothers, Clay Shiver, Ken-Yon Rambo, Billy Davis, Stepfret Williams.........sheesh, yuck.

Parcells came in and turned chicken you-know-what into a real NFL team again. So good, in fact, that it had enough momentum to last a year with Wade stinking Phillips in charge.

And now....

Jerry is the ONLY common denominator in all this puke. The only one.

Jimmy merely had the misfortune of catching a city in love with Dan Marino in his final sad years. And Jimmy no longer had the interest in another rebuild. The beach and water was too close.

 

[50cent]

Have that same feeling black folk had when we thought we'd never see a black president in our time. We'll never see another GM for the Cowboys in our lifetime. Hey, Bill Clinton proved the black president theory wrong, maybe I'll be proven wrong again?!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, you're posturing. The culture of the franchise disintegrated when Jimmy left. The team took on Jerry's likeness, and it became a club about partying, women, and booze (and worse). The fear of Jimmy was gone.

You have to subtract the residual from Jimmy in the 1994-95 seasons. Maybe even 1996. The decline began in 1995, but they were so good, they won a Super Bowl anyway (thanks to Neil O'Donnell, because Pittsburgh should have won that game).

Barry couldn't tighten the ship if he wanted to. No one could have. Jerry was drunk on power and himself. He was full-on, look-at-me obnoxious, believing that he was the architect of the early success.

Then it crashed. 5-11 three years in a row. Ebennezar Ekuban, Kavika Pittman, Solomon Page, Kareem Larrimore, the Hambrick brothers, Clay Shiver, Ken-Yon Rambo, Billy Davis, Stepfret Williams.........sheesh, yuck.

Parcells came in and turned chicken you-know-what into a real NFL team again. So good, in fact, that it had enough momentum to last a year with Wade stinking Phillips in charge.

And now....

Jerry is the ONLY common denominator in all this puke. The only one.

Jimmy merely had the misfortune of catching a city in love with Dan Marino in his final sad years. And Jimmy no longer had the interest in another rebuild. The beach and water was too close.

Cool story. I agree that drafting for backups has to be one of the worst debacles ever. That still does not mean squat as to what the dynamic was between the two men from 89-93.

I am asking for facts and you keep telling stories.

 

[slomoxn]

No, you're posturing. The culture of the franchise disintegrated when Jimmy left. The team took on Jerry's likeness, and it became a club about partying, women, and booze (and worse). The fear of Jimmy was gone.

You have to subtract the residual from Jimmy in the 1994-95 seasons. Maybe even 1996. The decline began in 1995, but they were so good, they won a Super Bowl anyway (thanks to Neil O'Donnell, because Pittsburgh should have won that game).

Barry couldn't tighten the ship if he wanted to. No one could have. Jerry was drunk on power and himself. He was full-on, look-at-me obnoxious, believing that he was the architect of the early success.

Then it crashed. 5-11 three years in a row. Ebennezar Ekuban, Kavika Pittman, Solomon Page, Kareem Larrimore, the Hambrick brothers, Clay Shiver, Ken-Yon Rambo, Billy Davis, Stepfret Williams.........sheesh, yuck.

Parcells came in and turned chicken you-know-what into a real NFL team again. So good, in fact, that it had enough momentum to last a year with Wade stinking Phillips in charge.

And now....

Jerry is the ONLY common denominator in all this puke. The only one.

Jimmy merely had the misfortune of catching a city in love with Dan Marino in his final sad years. And Jimmy no longer had the interest in another rebuild. The beach and water was too close.

Good luck getting him/her to hear you; most have figured out the only person left in this debacle that has become our team is Jerry. He even admitted his shortcomings were and are so well known going years back that he coudn't get hisstadium built without hiring a real football man; enter BP and as soon as Jerry got what he wanted he started meddling again. Some people will argue the true color of grass is blue because it's from Kentucky,

Cool story. I agree that drafting for backups has to be one of the worst debacles ever. That still does not mean squat as to what the dynamic was between the two men from 89-93.

I am asking for facts and you keep telling stories.

Bro you don't want facts what it appears is you want to argue, he has pointed out several facts but you keep ignoring them. Until someone smacks you in the face with the actual contract you'll continue arguing against anything aanyone has to say contrary to whaat you think buut you have produced nothing to support your own theory or thoughts or dis-belief.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

It is definitely not by accident or a product of being dumb.



Part masochist, part sadist.

This:

I probably listen to more talk radio than anyone. I think I love the pain. After a recent serious loss, I was doing a lot of blood work and they said we want to be sure to get this nurse in that really knows how to be gentle and get it done quickly on the first time. I said ‘This morning I need one that needs to try ten times. I want some pain.’ That happened. I need to cry a little bit. That’s not a bad thing. Certainly criticism hurts but it fuels your ambition. It makes me think ‘I want to show them.’”

bolded part is all anyone needs to know about what drives Jerry. Even if he really wanted to do things a different way, he JUST CAN'T. He cannot. And will not. Admit. His 17 yrs of futility. Any change would be an admission and he wont do it. He wants to show the world that he can win with his billion dollar fantasy football team.

 

[Alexander]

bolded part is all anyone needs to know about what drives Jerry. Even if he really wanted to do things a different way, he JUST CAN'T. He cannot. And will not. Admit. His 17 yrs of futility. Any change would be an admission and he wont do it. He wants to show the world that he can win with his billion dollar fantasy football team.

I think his insecurity has been on public display since Jimmy Johnson walked out the door. His comments should not surprise anyone.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I think his insecurity has been on public display since Jimmy Johnson walked out the door. His comments should not surprise anyone.

Jerry's 40 year old brain would be quite the study for those in the mental health and personality disorders field.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Good luck getting him/her to hear you; most have figured out the only person left in this debacle that has become our team is Jerry. He even admitted his shortcomings were and are so well known going years back that he coudn't get hisstadium built without hiring a real football man; enter BP and as soon as Jerry got what he wanted he started meddling again. Some people will argue the true color of grass is blue because it's from Kentucky,


Bro you don't want facts what it appears is you want to argue, he has pointed out several facts but you keep ignoring them. Until someone smacks you in the face with the actual contract you'll continue arguing against anything aanyone has to say contrary to whaat you think buut you have produced nothing to support your own theory or thoughts or dis-belief.

Now we get an alternate timeline according to you. While the media fed narratives and sports radio chatter have you sold on a storyline, I have a higher standard for determining whether or not something is fact. Your stories about motive are nice but they are unsubstantiated. All I get is that you like soap operas.

What part of me saying that there is no reason to believe one man over the other was hard to understand? You guys are the one making a claim; I am just saying that the binary logic and blundering deductions you guys come up with do not make a compelling statement.

What facts have I not addressed? He brought up Johnson winning in Miami. I showed it to be a non sequitur. I also showed it to be not consistent because of Johnson's track record after leaving Dallas. I guess you liked the rest of his story where he talked about Jones becoming power mad and you with your rants about 'meddling.' You guys sound like AM radio.

 

[Doomsday]

One of the best owners in professional sports? So tired of hearing people say that about Jones. The guy has kept one of the worse GMs in the league around for 20 years. Hes great at making himself money, but he hasnt done anything as an owner to prove he is dedicated to winning.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Jerry's 40 year old brain would be quite the study for those in the mental health and personality disorders field.

I think that's just one of his BS stories. It is funny though.

 

[slomoxn]

Now we get an alternate timeline according to you. While the media fed narratives and sports radio chatter have you sold on a storyline, I have a higher standard for determining whether or not something is fact. Your stories about motive are nice but they are unsubstantiated. All I get is that you like soap operas.

What part of me saying that there is no reason to believe one man over the other was hard to understand? You guys are the one making a claim; I am just saying that the binary logic and blundering deductions you guys come up with do not make a compelling statement.

What facts have I not addressed? He brought up Johnson winning in Miami. I showed it to be a non sequitur. I also showed it to be not consistent because of Johnson's track record after leaving Dallas. I guess you liked the rest of his story where he talked about Jones becoming power mad and you with your rants about 'meddling.' You guys sound like AM radio.

You haven't produced anymore facts than anyone else, and maybe I or even we all sound AM as you sound like a person that just witnessed the same car accident we all saw; a car veer off the road and smash through a house; it's just that in your version the house was wrong for being in the path of the car. It really doesn't matter though, you can blame who or what you want and we can do the same, all I know is we haven't won anything in 18 years with your defendent having all the marbles to himself. I'm done Sayanara!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You haven't produced anymore facts than anyone else, and maybe I or even we all sound AM as you sound like a person that just witnessed the same car accident we all saw; a car veer off the road and smash through a house; it's just that in your version the house was wrong for being in the path of the car. It really doesn't matter though, you can blame who or what you want and we can do the same, all I know is we haven't won anything in 18 years with your defendent having all the marbles to himself. I'm done Sayanara!

You still have yet to grasp that I am not 'blaming' anyone. You keep on with the ESPNradio story line.

 

[T-RO]

Cool story. I agree that drafting for backups has to be one of the worst debacles ever. That still does not mean squat as to what the dynamic was between the two men from 89-93.

I am asking for facts and you keep telling stories.

Fuzzy is lost in his own narrative...perhaps in his own little world. EROD and others won this debate several pages back...not that there ever was a debate. Outside of the times when Jimmy and Parcells ran the show...it's Jerry and his own vomit.

 

[Alexander]

he hasnt done anything as an owner to prove he is dedicated to winning.

Are you kidding? Have you seen that stadium?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Are you kidding? Have you seen that stadium?

That wasn't built because he is dedicated to winning. It was built because he is dedicated to making money.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy is lost in his own narrative...perhaps in his own little world. EROD and others won this debate several pages back...not that there ever was a debate. Outside of the times when Jimmy and Parcells ran the show...it's Jerry and his own vomit.

Sweet now the story is about me. I liked the stuff about Jerry Jones being mad with power myself. Your take on a pool of vomit leaves something to be desired.

Its cute watching you guys stamp your feet tell me stories about power hungry vomiters and insists that they are 'facts.'

 

[silver]

Mediocre GM = mediocre roster = mediocre results. .500 ball into oblivion. He's the Lloyd Christmas of the NFL, he calls up his buddy Larry Lacewell and after looking over the roster thinks: "So you're telling me there's a chance. YEAH!"