ESPN KC Joyner: Annual overrated player list...no 'boys

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I've been promising the chatters on my weekly ESPN SportsNation chats that I will do my annual overrated players column. Now that the season is over, it's time for me to keep my word.

Here are eight players whose metrics and statistics say they aren't as good as their reputations (with Pro Bowl berths weighing heavily in measuring reputation):



Derek Anderson, QB, Cleveland -- Anderson had nine games this past season with a passer rating of less than 80 and topped that mark only once in the final five games of the season. His 19 interceptions ranked 29th worst in that category. His 82.5 season-long passer rating was lower than the passer ratings of Jay Cutler, Matt Schaub, Chad Pennington and Sage Rosenfels. Leading the Browns to 10 wins was impressive, but the sum of Anderson's accomplishments should not have equaled a trip to Honolulu.




Dallas Clark, TE, Indianapolis -- He often is mentioned as being among the elite tight ends in the NFL, but 2007 was the second year in a row he posted a mediocre 6.4 yards per attempt. If Clark played for a non-contender, he would be a relative unknown.




Donald Driver, WR, Green Bay -- He tied for 17th in the league in receptions, was 20th in receiving yards and was 21st in receiving yards per game. Four other Green Bay players had more touchdown receptions than Driver did. It's not that he is a poor receiver by any stretch, but nothing in his numbers suggested he should have been in the Pro Bowl.



Shaun Rogers, DT, Detroit -- He was named the NFC player of the week at one point during the 2007 season, but his 4.4 YPA allowed on point-of-attack runs was quite disappointing for a player who had been dominant in that area in the past. And that wasn't all: 30 of the 97 POA runs directed at Rogers gained at least 5 yards, and 11 went for 10-plus yards.




Richard Seymour, DE, New England -- He has to be given a bit of a break because an injury cost him seven games in 2007, but even once he returned, he played nowhere near his typical level. He allowed 4.2 YPA on POA runs and posted a mediocre 10.5 POA success percentage. Add that to his 1.5 regular-season sacks and zero postseason sacks, and it shows Seymour has a way to go to get his play back up to his reputation.



Jeremy Shockey, TE, N.Y. Giants -- There is a reason for all the talk about whether Kevin Boss is the real long-term solution at tight end for the Giants. Shockey's 6.8 YPA this past season was mediocre, and that doesn't tell the whole story. Take away his 12-catch, 129-yard game against Dallas in Week 10, and Shockey averaged 3.5 receptions and 38 yards in every other game in which he played.




Kyle Vanden Bosch, DE, Tennessee -- Five of Vanden Bosch's 12 sacks were coverage sacks, and a sixth came against Renardo Foster, a rookie backup offensive tackle for the Falcons who had to fill in for Wayne Gandy in Week 4. Vanden Bosch also was a liability against the run, as evidenced by his 4.5 YPA allowed on POA runs and a somewhat average 16.2 POA success percentage.




Mike Vrabel, LB, New England -- Vrabel made the Pro Bowl largely on the strength of his 12.5 sacks, but he is nowhere near the elite pass-rusher that total says he is. Six of his sacks were of the coverage/scheme/run/garbage type, and he had only a single one-on-one sack in the last seven weeks of the regular season. Add his 5.6 YPA allowed on POA runs and zero sacks in the postseason, and it is clear his trip to Hawaii was based on past performance.


KC Joyner, aka The Football Scientist, is a regular contributor to ESPN Insider. His core passing metrics can be found in the ESPN Fantasy Football Magazine, which is on newsstands now. A free sample of his latest release ("Scientific Football 2007") is available on his Web site.
 

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Interesting read, although I disagree with Driver being on the list.
 

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fortdick;1954185 said:
How did Roy Willie NOT make this list?

Because once you factor in the overall mediocrity at the SS position throughout the NFL, Roy isn't nearly as bad as Cowboy fans think he is.
 

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MichaelWinicki;1954188 said:
Because once you factor in the overall mediocrity at the SS position throughout the NFL, Roy isn't nearly as bad as Cowboy fans think he is.

:hammer:
 

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fortdick;1954185 said:
How did Roy Willie NOT make this list?

Because he said it's the overrated list. Roy Williams doesn't get praised, he gets bashed.
 

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MichaelWinicki;1954188 said:
Because once you factor in the overall mediocrity at the SS position throughout the NFL, Roy isn't nearly as bad as Cowboy fans think he is.

Bingo...

also D. Woodson really spoiled a bunch of people
 

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I wonder if the patriots had won the SB would Seymour and Vrabel be on this list, or what if shockey had been heatlhy and had a good run in the playoffs? I'm not supporting any of these guys, especially not shockey, but in the case of the patriots its funny how they have fallen from "the greatest team ever" thought.
 

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MichaelWinicki;1954188 said:
Because once you factor in the overall mediocrity at the SS position throughout the NFL, Roy isn't nearly as bad as Cowboy fans think he is.

Maybe not, but he is certainly as bad as opposing Offensive Coordinators think.

And since pro bowl appearances weighing heavily in the determination, I still wonder.
 

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fortdick;1954232 said:
Maybe not, but he is certainly as bad as opposing Offensive Coordinators think.

And since pro bowl appearances weighing heavily in the determination, I still wonder.

Let me put it to you this way...


If I was an offensive coordinator it would take me about 2 seconds to figure a good strategy is to isolate the strong safety in pass coverage. And I don't care which strong safety you name-- I don't know of a single strong safety that is terrific in pass coverage. And most of them are average-- at best.

Like someone else said, there are no Darren Woodson's in this league. Are there decent coverage free safeties? Yes, but the strong safety position isn't pretty when it comes to coverage.
 

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MichaelWinicki;1954242 said:
Let me put it to you this way...


If I was an offensive coordinator it would take me about 2 seconds to figure a good strategy is to isolate the strong safety in pass coverage. And I don't care which strong safety you name-- I don't know of a single strong safety that is terrific in pass coverage. And most of them are average-- at best.

Like someone else said, there are no Darren Woodson's in this league. Are there decent coverage free safeties? Yes, but the strong safety position isn't pretty when it comes to coverage.

I agree.

Everybody could tell Roy did not play well all year. And I think he should step it up. But watching other games all teams try to isolate the SS, its not just Roy.
 

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fortdick;1954232 said:
Maybe not, but he is certainly as bad as opposing Offensive Coordinators think.

And since pro bowl appearances weighing heavily in the determination, I still wonder.
Did you notice how the Giants offensive coordinator was picking on Harrison in the Super Bowl?
 

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fortdick;1954185 said:
How did Roy Willie NOT make this list?

The list only went to 8.

And it certainly helps your metrics when your coach is taking you off the field in situations where you could be exposed.
 

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fortdick;1954232 said:
Maybe not, but he is certainly as bad as opposing Offensive Coordinators think.

And since pro bowl appearances weighing heavily in the determination, I still wonder.
anybody notice in the probowl that roy played safety maybe a few plays if any?
 

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WoodysGirl;1954175 said:
Derek Anderson, QB, Cleveland -- Leading the Browns to 10 wins was impressive, but the sum of Anderson's accomplishments should not have equaled a trip to Honolulu.
While that may be true, his trip was due to a higher quality QB not going.
 

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Rampage;1954264 said:
anybody notice in the probowl that roy played safety maybe a few plays if any?

Don't forget that they also hired a coach that seems to be dedicated to improving Roy...
 

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Rampage;1954264 said:
anybody notice in the probowl that roy played safety maybe a few plays if any?
It's been reported that he and a bunch of players were battling the flu.
 
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