ESPN Kiper: 10 guys I can't believe failed

[tyke1doe]

I've always liked Kiper. He was a breath of fresh air when they trotted him out way back in the early 1980s. He was one of us ... a draftnick. But he took it a step further and created a business for himself, working out of his parents' basement and eventually drawing the interest from Baltimore Colts GM (at the time) Ernie Accorsi.

I can see how his authoritative manner can grate on people, but I still like the guy. He's a genuinely nice guy.

Agreed.

Kiper is smart. He had enough foresight to understand that draft analysis would be the wave of the future and carved a professional/career niche for himself.

He's good because he loves what he does.

And truth be told, Kiper is about as accurate as any scout for any club. And they (the clubs) only have to be right with respect to who they pick. Kiper has to be "right" about all his evaluations, which increase his rate of "busts."

I like him, but that's because I take him for what he is ... a guy trying to predict a guy's professional talent and how he translate into the NFL.

 

[CATCH17]

Hes as entertaining as anyone so how you cant at least enjoy the guy is kinda crazy.

If you dont have enough knowledge to form your own opinion and take what Kiper says as being the most accurate then thats when you have problems.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Mike Williams would be my #1 surprise bust. No doubt about it.

The only "Draft Expert" I remember saying anything negative about Williams was Sean Salisbury and boy was he getting blasted for it that day. But, he did tell everyone that Williams would be a bust. I guess in between showing folks his privates and embarrasssing John Clayton, he actually called one or two things right.

 

[peplaw06]

1. 1979: Russell Erxleben, PK/P, Texas -- No. 11 overall pick by the New Orleans Saints
I gave Erxleben a very high grade because he had great leg strength and just destroyed the ball on punts. He was a straight-on kicker whose kickoffs went out of the end zone. He also possessed the ability to kick 60-yard field goals. But once he got to the NFL, he struggled. He averaged 40.6 yards per punt and was 4-for-8 on field goal attempts during his five-year career.

1) Mel's birthdate is July 25, 1960. He was 18 when Erxleben was drafted. I don't know what to think about that. either he was a complete loser, or he just gets a pass because he was 18. Maybe both.

2) Who drafts a PK/P at #11 overall? If you answered the Saints, you're correct. No wonder that franchise has been so terrible.

 

[DanTanna]

1992 -Cincinatti - 6th pick overall

Career:

16 TD's
22 INT's
3994 yards
65.1 QB Rating

Better than Vince Young. :laugh2:

 

[THUMPER]

As for my busts, I'm with Thumper on Cade McNown. I totally missed on him.

I'm glad to see I was not alone in that one.

 

[Rack]

Hes as entertaining as anyone so how you cant at least enjoy the guy is kinda crazy.

If you dont have enough knowledge to form your own opinion and take what Kiper says as being the most accurate then thats when you have problems.

You're on crack.

 

[Kangaroo]

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Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt was fairly shocking to me.

Steve Emtman was well on his way to be a good to great player he showed flashes of it but he blew out his knees in back to back years

I loved Coryatt coming out of college he as another on that showed flashed for Indy and had one great year but injuries also robbed him and he was shortly out of the NFL

 

[DallasEast]

I've always liked Kiper. He was a breath of fresh air when they trotted him out way back in the early 1980s. He was one of us ... a draftnick. But he took it a step further and created a business for himself, working out of his parents' basement and eventually drawing the interest from Baltimore Colts GM (at the time) Ernie Accorsi.

I can see how his authoritative manner can grate on people, but I still like the guy. He's a genuinely nice guy.

As for my busts, I'm with Thumper on Cade McNown. I totally missed on him. And I also missed big on J.J. Stokes. Must be something about UCLA.

I'm sure there have been others.

Agreed.

Kiper is smart. He had enough foresight to understand that draft analysis would be the wave of the future and carved a professional/career niche for himself.

He's good because he loves what he does.

And truth be told, Kiper is about as accurate as any scout for any club. And they (the clubs) only have to be right with respect to who they pick. Kiper has to be "right" about all his evaluations, which increase his rate of "busts."

I like him, but that's because I take him for what he is ... a guy trying to predict a guy's professional talent and how he translate into the NFL.

I respect those opinions of Kiper, but I have to say that I don't share the same. He may present himself as authoritative to some, but I would have to describe him as dogmatic.

He may be as accurate as an NFL scout, but he doesn't take a scout's perspective when applying his knowledge of players. A scout will evaluate players' strengths and weaknesses. He will then seek to take the best players and rationalize how they could best upgrade his team's roster.

That's not what I get from Kiper. Kiper assimilates tons of player data, like a scout. He will pick his best candidates from the top of the barrel, like a scout, but the similarities stop there.

Kiper takes his best-of-the-best and shouts from his ESPN pulpit that, IF a team doesn't choose from his elite offering, that team is deemed 'clueless'. The man exhibits some of the most bewildering facial expressions when a team does a 180 degree from his select choices. While I expect someone like Chris Berman to look like a lost soul, I don't expect it from a supposed draft guru during a draft show.

I have a high regard for his extensive player knowledge on draft day, but not so much in his application of it during the show sometimes. JMO.

 

[DallasEast]

You're on crack.

That was so cruel.

 

[Vintage]

Robert Gallery really surprised me.... I thought he was going to be a great LT.

Charles Rogers was another one that surpised me. I really, really liked him coming out of college.

 

[Seven]

You're on crack.

That was so cruel.

That's Rack. He don't play.................admirable, IMO.

 

[Muhast]

The kicker's punt average wasnt awful, and he only got 8 kicks. Dont think he had enough chance to call him a bust.


I swore Maurice Clarett would be fine in the NFL. I missed badly haha. I was a big "No mike williams" guy though. so it evened out.