ESPN McShay: Thursday Buzz... Separation at cornerback

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Separation at cornerback

Leodis McKelvin (right) has separated himself from the pack somewhat and now looks like the player a majority of teams feel is the top cornerback on the board. That could mean some teams feel more inclined to look at him earlier in the first round, though there probably won't be a lot of urgency to reach for him with an early pick. The more interesting situation at cornerback, though, is the fight between Mike Jenkins and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie for the No. 2 spot behind McKelvin.

I've been told by more than one team that Jenkins and Rodgers-Cromartie are pretty much neck-and-neck, but that the tiebreaker for some teams could end up being the fact that Rodgers-Cromartie has only one kidney. He is not a very physical player to begin with and some teams might wonder if he is protecting himself against a career-threatening injury to his single kidney. Rodgers-Cromartie won't fall out of the first round but he could slip behind Jenkins because of that worry. Aqib Talib, on the other hand, continues to fall behind the other corners and much of it has to do with character concerns. Talib has had off-the-field issues, including the admission that he failed multiple tests for marijuana in college, that will likely drop him to the end of the first round.

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The ranking for CBs seems to change from week to week. The good thing is we should be able to get one of these guys.
 

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theogt;2049255 said:
McKelvin - 3 INTs and 16 PDs in 2 years?

Over. Rated.

FWIW-I hear the Eagles are high on him. IF they do manage to trade up, he's also one of their options.
 

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theogt;2049255 said:
McKelvin - 3 INTs and 16 PDs in 2 years?

Over. Rated.

I might agree, but remember, if we ranked TNewman solely on INT's in his career, he'd be just another bum at CB. Some guys can cover but have no ball instincts.
 

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wayne motley;2049290 said:
I might agree, but remember, if we ranked TNewman solely on INT's in his career, he'd be just another bum at CB. Some guys can cover but have no ball instincts.
Newman averages over 3 INTs and 15 PDs a season in the NFL. That's a bit difference then getting 3 INTs and 16 in two seasons against small college QBs and receivers.

I guess you could expect his production to double or triple against NFL teams, but that seems a little foolish.
 

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The fact he has one kidney should be about 100 on their laundry list of cons. It is a non-issue for a young healthy young man.
 

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theogt;2049255 said:
McKelvin - 3 INTs and 16 PDs in 2 years?

Over. Rated.

He's not really overrated, he just lacks awareness and instincts. His physical skills are so great that he won't be beat by WRs. He'll always be in position to break up a pass. However, he doesn't have the awareness and instincts needed to be a ballhawk, even though he'll be in position to break up passes. Consequently, QBs will know that they can throw at him, and the most they're going to have to fear is a pass breakup rather than getting picked.
 

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Im just hoping that some team DRAFTS DRC before we select b/c that leaves a better CB for us to take. Talib and Jenkins will be better pros...
 

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marchetta;2049419 said:
He's not really overrated, he just lacks awareness and instincts. His physical skills are so great that he won't be beat by WRs. He'll always be in position to break up a pass. However, he doesn't have the awareness and instincts needed to be a ballhawk, even though he'll be in position to break up passes. Consequently, QBs will know that they can throw at him, and the most they're going to have to fear is a pass breakup rather than getting picked.

Hhhhhmmmmmmmmmm................sounds alot like Carlos "stone hands" Rogers to me-a great cover guy, but hardly not much of playmaker to warrant a high pick.
 

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Growing rumors that the doper Talib is now off the boards of several teams, and is not likely to go in the first at all.
 

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burmafrd;2049477 said:
Growing rumors that the doper Talib is now off the boards of several teams, and is not likely to go in the first at all.

A couple of GM's said they won't touch the guy...the truth is that Jerry Jones doesn't care about that and will prolly end up drafting the guy.
 

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I don't like Talib in the first round, I'd pass on him at 22 and 28.
 

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WoodysGirl;2049235 said:
teams might wonder if he is protecting himself against a career-threatening injury to his single kidney.

You gotta watch out for those kidney injuries. Keep those kidneys from getting exposed to big hits.

Protect your kidneys, kids.

:confused:
 

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marchetta;2049419 said:
He's not really overrated, he just lacks awareness and instincts. His physical skills are so great that he won't be beat by WRs. He'll always be in position to break up a pass. However, he doesn't have the awareness and instincts needed to be a ballhawk, even though he'll be in position to break up passes. Consequently, QBs will know that they can throw at him, and the most they're going to have to fear is a pass breakup rather than getting picked.
It's not just that he didn't get many INTs and PDs, he also GAVE UP too many passes as well considering his level of competition. It's not a situation where he's a shutdown corner, but doesn't have the ball skills. It' more the situation where he's an average cover corner, and doesn't have any ball skills at all.

BigTimeCowboy;2049431 said:
DRC was beaten often by "inferior" D2 Wideouts....
No, he wasn't.
 

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theogt;2049297 said:
Newman averages over 3 INTs and 15 PDs a season in the NFL. That's a bit difference then getting 3 INTs and 16 in two seasons against small college QBs and receivers.

I guess you could expect his production to double or triple against NFL teams, but that seems a little foolish.

ya think NFL teams just may throw at tnew a bit more than college teams did at mckelvin???
 

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jterrell;2049712 said:
ya think NFL teams just may throw at tnew a bit more than college teams did at mckelvin???
They're targeted about the same amount actually. I don't have the numbers on hand right now, but I believe T-New is targeted between 60-70 times per season. McKelvin was targeted 70 times in 2007.
 
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