ESPN: Monte Kiffin experiment a failure

[vaturkey]

Give Kiffin the same players he had as coach as the Bucs and the defense would be much much better. Its not coaching as much as its talent. I'd say maybe two of our starting 11 could have been starters on the Bucs team that won the title and those would have been Lee and Ware, and both of those are injured right now. The bigger mistake Jerry made was getting rid of Rob Ryan who certainly should have been given one other year. The defensive problems are 95 percent Jerry's fault.

Note: Jerry is a lot like President Obama and his version of the healthcare debacle. Obama says we are going to fix insurance coverage for the 5 million people who lost their health plans when he promised they could keep it. Just no idea how. Thank goodness the taxpayers are writing that check and there is no salary cap on american taxpayers. Jerry and President Obama both wrestling with public relations problems. At least Obama will be gone in 2 years, but we will still have Jerry.

 

[Eddie]

Doesn't matter who the coaches or players are.

The results are the same. Nothing changes with the same man on top.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Jerry is the new Al Davis sadly...

Scary thought to consider -- for as much as people ragged on Al Davis his last few years, consider this: when Al Davis was in his early 70s (Jerry is currently 71), he put together the Raiders team that went to the Superbowl in 2002.

Can you imagine Jerry currently assembling a Superbowl contending team as the man in charge of our personnel? It's really an insult to Al to even compare him to Jerry.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Kiffin obviously doesnt like the secret sauce

Dude, time to give it a rest.......and yes, I don't like the s.s.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

FWIW who wants to come into Dallas any more and try to clean up the mess? You kill your career for even attempting. I know Jerry pays good but it is becoming coaching suicide to go work for him. All of our "we should hire this coach" threads are worthless because why come here and get canned instantly like Rob Ryan because you are supposedly inept, only to turn around and prove the organization you previously worked for is inept at your next job in such a quick turnaround. The depth is among the league worst and the talent is overrated. No one should want to come here and be the hero that turned Dallas back around under Jerry, it continuously looks impossible. Why give up your good gig at a premier college or coordinating job at an already winner to be apart of the current Dallas Cowboys organization?

You contradict yourself in this post by saying coming here is career killing, but yet give an example in Ryan of a coach who did not kill his career by coaching here. The only coaches that come here to die, are already dead like Monty K. Even Wade seems to be doing just fine without us.

 

[khiladi]

Imagine how bad the offense would look if This defense didn't produce TOs. The defensive performance doesn't mean the offense is clicking.

 

[Alexander]

Give Kiffin the same players he had as coach as the Bucs and the defense would be much much better.

I think you could give Dave Campo Hall of Fame talent and he could have won more.

That is not the point. "Legendary" coaches can sometimes get more out of less than stellar talent. It is clear that Kiffin needs the talent, which makes him a step below the all-timer he was painted out to be.

 

[Alexander]

Imagine how bad the offense would look if This defense didn't produce TOs. The defensive performance doesn't mean the offense is clicking.

This is the scary part of our struggles this year. The offense has been given many opportunities they simply have not got over the years and they still fail to score TDs and control the game as a result. Far too many ineffective drives leading to a FG, which puts the defense out there more and more to be exposed.

 

[Ren]

We have crap depth on D when you're starting guys off the streets you make even average NFL players look great. No scheme or coach in the world is going to make the crap we're fielding right now look or play any better. Ryan got fired for something similar last year and on Sunday our "high powered" offense failed to get even 200 yards against his D. Coaching will only get you so far at some point you need actual NFL quality players

 

[JohnsKey19]

You have to be able to adjust defensively in this era. Unless you're rolling out dominant personnel you simply can't line up and play a stale zone the majority of the time. Passing offenses are too advanced and the talent at QB across the league is as good as it's arguably ever been. Kiffin has been a tremendous failure. Sure, injuries have not helped but it is what it is. Ask Rob Ryan how that excuse worked for him last season.

 

[perrykemp]

Even Lane Kiffin?

Not sure Lane Kiffin is good enough to be one of the top 500 coaches in America.

 

[Seven]

You contradict yourself in this post by saying coming here is career killing, but yet give an example in Ryan of a coach who did not kill his career by coaching here. The only coaches that come here to die, are already dead like Monty K. Even Wade seems to be doing just fine without us.

According to Reed, Wade ain't doing so well.

 

[CATCH17]

I think you could give Dave Campo Hall of Fame talent and he could have won more.

That is not the point. "Legendary" coaches can sometimes get more out of less than stellar talent. It is clear that Kiffin needs the talent, which makes him a step below the all-timer he was painted out to be.

Passing games have evolved a lot too. Especially over the last 10 years with all of the spread.

We took a step back in time when the rest of the league had evolved from this.

It's sad but this is what happens when you have a GM listening to his old drinking buddies.

 

[Nirvana]

Huge mistake to hire him in the first place.

 

[CaptainCreed]

You contradict yourself in this post by saying coming here is career killing, but yet give an example in Ryan of a coach who did not kill his career by coaching here. The only coaches that come here to die, are already dead like Monty K. Even Wade seems to be doing just fine without us.

So why not just go to those jobs in the first place? Why waste a year/few years in Dallas? Still not sure what Garrett's career will look like after Dallas, probably will have to go back to being an O coordinator...And it was a postgame rant, this is three days later.

 

[jcollins28]

I'm not sure what is more shocking. People who are surprised that this "experiment" is not working or the fact that Dallas actually hired Kiffin in the first place. I have never ran a NFL franchise but even I knew this had failure written all over it.

 

[morasp]

When Lee went out it really showed the difference one player can make in a unit's performance. Now just consider our injuries and players that haven't played a down. Claiborne, Wilcox, Spencer, Crawford, Ware, Ratliff, Bass, Johnson. Those guys are all starters or heavy rotational players. When our bozo the clown front office told Monte that Spencer and Ratliff were good to go he believed them. Broaddus said on talkin cowboys he could hear them down the hall planning the defense fully expecting Ratliff and Spencer to be part of it. When he has played, Ware has looked like he's lost a step.

 

[perrykemp]

I'm not sure what is more shocking. People who are surprised that this "experiment" is not working or the fact that Dallas actually hired Kiffin in the first place. I have never ran a NFL franchise but even I knew this had failure written all over it.

My recollection was there wasn't anybody here on CZ who was jumping for joy over the move. A few, myself included, didn't automatically think the move was doomed to failure.

As it turns out, as fellow poster Captain Morgan so eloquently stated earlier in this threadm, Kiffin has pretty much "ended up sharting in his depends".

 

[jnday]

Kiffin was a bad hire since day one. His defense is outdated and hasn't even worked in the college ranks. It was dumb to hire a DC that ran zone coverage when the CBs on the team were man coverage CBs. Dallas had made a huge investment in the previous season for Claiboure and Carr just for man coverage. This is a classic case of the players not fitting the scheme. It has been debated about who really wanted Kiffin, Jerry or Garrett. Either of them should have known better. Many fans knew Kiffin wasn't a fit from day one. I wanted the change to the 4-3, but I didn't want a version from the last century.