ESPN Mosley: Why is Jerry Jones the only owner pursuing Pacman Jones?

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UVAwahoos;2020324 said:
It's not like Pacman has ever spoken out badly against a teammate, forcing the locker to room split and take sides or something. He's not some parasite for a team. Bring him in and if he's dumb enough to get in trouble again, we lose essentially nothing. BUT...if he plays well and stays out of trouble just like most of these other troubled players we've brought in, than we are sitting real pretty and our troubled secondary suddenly is a lot less suspect.

It's a good move.

Some could argue that he simply hasn't been IN the locker room long enough to affect it negatively. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he have a war of words going with multiple Titan veterans during his rookie-year holdout?
 

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Smashmouth24;2021016 said:
Some could argue that he simply hasn't been IN the locker room long enough to affect it negatively. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he have a war of words going with multiple Titan veterans during his rookie-year holdout?

Let's just say he didn't exactly get off on the right foot in Tenneesee:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2128993&type=story

Titans becoming less happy with Jones by the day
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The battle over a contract for cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones, the sixth player selected overall in the draft and one of eight first-rounders yet to reach agreement, moved on Monday from the board room to the Tennessee Titans' locker room.

For the most part, Tennessee veterans have all but ignored Jones' continuing absence, and downplayed the fact that the rebuilding Titans remain without a youngster expected to play a significant role in 2005. But following the Monday morning practice, several players, most notably defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, noted that Jones' potential impact as a rookie is being reduced every day he isn't here in camp.


And the fourth-year veteran Haynesworth opined that, when Jones arrives, he may not be greeted warmly.


"He's not going to have any favorites in this locker room if he comes in here [with the attitude] the way he left [after minicamp]," Haynesworth said. "He's got a lot of work to do. He's going to have to be covering receivers like Marvin Harrison (of Indianapolis) and Andre Johnson (of Houston), and right now I'm not sure he can cover a free agent."


A few players offered similar assessments, although few for attribution.
"No matter when he gets here, he's going to have to do a lot of catching up, and let's leave it at that," said linebacker Keith Bulluck.


Said general manager Floyd Reese: "He has no idea [of the difficulty]. He thinks he is going to come in here and get an interception or two and everything is going to be quiet. But that's not the way it works. It is going to be brutal and it is going to be long."


Haynesworth missed the opening of camp in his rookie season, he acknowledged, but pointed out that part of his contract struggles were a result of not being "slotted," since the players above him and below him in the first round were not signed either. As the No. 6 pick in this year's draft, Jones is sandwiched between two players who already have contract accords, Tampa Bay tailback Carnell "Cadillac" Williams (No. 5) and Vikings wide receiver Troy Williamson (No. 7).


Compounding the difficult negotiations is the fact that Jones had some off-field incidents this spring that will force the Titans to contractually protect themselves, and which could dramatically reduce his signing bonus. In the latest incident, the former West Virginia star faces two counts of misdemeanor assault and a count of felony vandalism stemming from a July incident at a nightclub here.


A hearing on the case, at which it will likely be determined if charges will be dropped or another court date will be set, is set for Thursday.


"Right now," Haynesworth said, "[Jones] has been more in prison than he's been on the practice field."


Jones' agent, Michael Huyghue, told The Tennessean newspaper on Sunday night that he will arrive in Nashville this week for face-to-face bargaining with general manager Floyd Reese. Huyghue said he also wanted to meet with the local media to blunt some of the negative publicity his client has received. Because of Jones' alleged off-field issues, the contract language in any deal could be almost as crucial as the money.


In the two Monday practices, the first-unit cornerbacks were Andre Woolfolk and Tony Beckham, who have seven career starts between them. Counting the Monday sessions, Jones has now missed 15 practices.

By the end of his rookie season, some serious questions remained:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+South/Tennessee/WWHI/default.htm?channel=2005

Jan. 9, 2006


According to team sources, rookie CB-RS Pacman Jones created quite a distraction in the locker room this season, with half the team (and coaches) very concerned about Jones’ actions and the other half giving him the benefit of the doubt and allowing him time to mature. But there’s no question that one man who talked tough at season’s end was head coach Jeff Fisher, who knows he must get more out of Jones on and off the field. His season reached its nadir in Week 17, when Jones received consecutive penalties, one of which was supposedly for cursing at an official in the 40-13 loss to the Jaguars. Though Jones improved steadily at cornerback after a nightmarish start, starting 13 games this season, and stood out as a return man, there are some who feel Jones is enough of a cancer in the locker room that repeated issues could lead to the team severing ties with Jones at some point down the line.
 

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This guys is all over the place with articles about the boys and JJ. The other day he wrote a fairly negative view of JJ and the idea of him going after Pacman.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2020372 said:
I really do not think that people understand what a thug is.

I do not believe that Jones goes into these bars thinking "Hey I am going to start a bar fight." Instead he goes into these bars gets drunk and then gets mad about some perceived slight or wrong. Typically that someone stole something from him. Drunks are after all lose things all the time.

As far as I can tell there is no premditation to what Pacman does. He just does some very stupid things.

When I think of a thug; I think of Rae Carruth or the gun toting freaks.

Boy, I'm glad Jones isn't a gun toting freak. I guess he "makes it rain" with the peanuts that are on the bar counter?
 

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Iago33;2021053 said:
Boy, I'm glad Jones isn't a gun toting freak. I guess he "makes it rain" with the peanuts that are on the bar counter?
what? he "makes it rain" with money. what the heck are you talking about?
 

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Wrangler87;2020810 said:
I know thugs better than anyone in here. Trust me, it's not worth winning if you have to hire a thug like Jones to do it. I'd rather wait and win with repectable players who are not surrounded by criminal activity and criminal tendencies.

Never trust a man that says, "Trust me". That's rule one.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2021063 said:
I guess having lots of money makes someone a thug.



Having a lot of money doesn't necessarily make one a thug. But tossing up money in the air and potentially causing widespread panic and chaos isn't the stuff of cultured peoples. ;)
 

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tyke1doe;2021069 said:
Having a lot of money doesn't necessarily make one a thug. But tossing up money in the air and potentially causing widespread panic and chaos isn't the stuff of cultured peoples. ;)

so then hes a barbarian?
 

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tyke1doe;2021069 said:
Having a lot of money doesn't necessarily make one a thug. But tossing up money in the air and potentially causing widespread panic and chaos isn't the stuff of cultured peoples. ;)
well if that low down stripper didn't get greedy we wouldn't even be talking about this
 

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I would not say that throwing money around in a strip club makes him, or anybody, a thug. However, if we can believe what was reported, hitting women for picking the money up certainly doesn't do anything for him either.

This is not a Boy Scout.

I am fine with people wanting this guy because they feel he can help the team. I may not necessarily agree on that topic but I'm OK with Cowboy Fans wanting to get better.

However, I think it is a real mistake to believe that this is just a misunderstood kid. He is in the situation he is in for a reason. That, to me, is simplest, most basic truth, that can be said about this entire situation.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2021087 said:
I would not say that throwing money around in a strip club makes him, or anybody, a thug.
I'll second that. Not saying why either.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2021087 said:
I would not say that throwing money around in a strip club makes him, or anybody, a thug. However, if we can believe what was reported, hitting women for picking the money up certainly doesn't do anything for him either.

This is not a Boy Scout.

I am fine with people wanting this guy because they feel he can help the team. I may not necessarily agree on that topic but I'm OK with Cowboy Fans wanting to get better.

However, I think it is a real mistake to believe that this is just a misunderstood kid. He is in the situation he is in for a reason. That, to me, is simplest, most basic truth, that can be said about this entire situation.

For what it's worth (nothing) I agree 100%
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2021087 said:
I would not say that throwing money around in a strip club makes him, or anybody, a thug. However, if we can believe what was reported, hitting women for picking the money up certainly doesn't do anything for him either.

This is not a Boy Scout.

I am fine with people wanting this guy because they feel he can help the team. I may not necessarily agree on that topic but I'm OK with Cowboy Fans wanting to get better.

However, I think it is a real mistake to believe that this is just a misunderstood kid. He is in the situation he is in for a reason. That, to me, is simplest, most basic truth, that can be said about this entire situation.
:bow: Our only hope is that he understands that his actions are the reason for his troubles. If he can man up to his own faults and stop getting into trouble, he'll be a great addition to the secondary.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2021087 said:
However, I think it is a real mistake to believe that this is just a misunderstood kid.
Personally, I'm curious as to how many believe that he is misunderstood. By some accounts, he's an intelligent young man, regardless of first impressions. If he himself knows what's 'wrong is wrong', why would anyone else think he's misunderstood--when he understands what he is purposely doing?
 

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DallasEast;2021349 said:
Personally, I'm curious as to how many believe that he is misunderstood. By some accounts, he's an intelligent young man, regardless of first impressions. If he himself knows what's 'wrong is wrong', why would anyone else think he's misunderstood--when he understands what he is purposely doing?


I can not disagree, which is why I have very little faith that his behavior will change. I guess we will have to see what happens.
 

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WoodysGirl;2020259 said:
Former Cowboys director of scouting Larry Lacewell once told me that a note from the 49ers regarding Haley sat on his desk for four days before he took it back to Jones' office.

:bang2:

Lacewell strikes again.
 

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Chief;2021449 said:
:bang2:

Lacewell strikes again.


If Haley would have played at Alabama or Tennesse (pick SEC school) instead of James Madison, old Lacewell would have probably ran over three secretaries, two players, the odd Coke machine that happened to get in the way and the Equipment manager in his rush to get to Jerry.

As it was, it was only Charles Haley and he played in the Colonial. Two days is about right I suppose.

;)
 
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