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Jeremy Green: Hello SportsNation. Happy Friday. Let's roll.


PT (Franklin, NC): With the signing of Kalimba Edwards, should the Raiders consider moving to a 3-4 D and using him as an OLB?

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Jeremy Green: The Raiders have become like a lot of teams such as Baltimore, New England, Arizona what I would define as a Hybrid type defense. Rob Ryan came from New England. The Pats use more 3-4 then 4-3 where as the Raiders are more 4-3 then 3- but will use both. So Edwards will play some DE and OLB in Ryan's system.


Matt (Wynnewood, PA): Do you think Pacman Jones will end up in Dallas?

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Jeremy Green: Yes as soon as they get the compensation set. Dallas wants and needs him. Tennesee needs him but is done with him. This is a phenomenal addition for Dallas because even if it did not work they are not giving up much. If he stays out of trouble they get one of the better man cover corners in the NFL and a much needed boost to their return game.



Fat boy...(Miami, FL): Point blank..who do the Fins draft?

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Jeremy Green: If they can't trade down I think they will take OT Jake Long. Chris Long seems to be cooing off, Matt Ryan is not even close to theb est player in this draft. I honestly think the Cowboys board would have Jake Long at #1 and maybe even Vernon Gholston at #2 based on their 3-4 scheme.


GregC ( Hernando,MS): Just want to know why is Terrell Owens not consider Fast? He's beat DeAngelo Hall who's said to be fastest CB with 4.1 speed but Owens made him look more like 4.5?

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Jeremy Green: Owens is not considered fast because he timed in the 4.5 range. He plays fast with the ball in his hands. I think Jerry Rice was close to 4.6 coming out but I can't think of many times in his prime where he was dragged down from behind. DeAngleo Hall never ran 4.1 - I think it was closer to 4.3 and a lot of people with less speed run by Hall because he is LAZY!



JC(DC): Thank you! Finally someone who agrees that matt ryan is way over hyped.

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Jeremy Green: Would be the 4th QB selected in the Eli Manning Draft and maybe the 3rd in the Young class although after looking at them both I would say 4th and put him behind Cutler.


Scott (NC): Jeremy - How does Jake Long compare to Joe Thomas as a prospect? Is Jake athletic enough to be a dominant pass protector and worthy of the #1 pick?

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Jeremy Green: Thomas is a better athlete and better player. Long might be a little better in the run game and may not be able to move to LOT. Time will tell if he can handle the speed rushers at the NFL level but I think he may struggle a little early if he were at LOT. I think Thomas is and will always be the better player of the two.


Alex Danbridge: C'mon Jeremy. Kiper has this one exactly right. If you're Miami you CAN NOT take Jake Long who is not even close to being as athletic or a franchise LT like Joe Thomas was. It would be ridiculous to take a right tackle with the first pick. Thoughts?

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Jeremy Green: Hey Alex see my last comment. I agree with you... the question was not what I would do. I would give a team a bargain to move up. I would let the clock run out. I would do anything not to pick there IF and this is my IF. The player that should be #1 and that is the best player un this draft is RB Darren McFadden. I don't think they take him though and to take Ryan who I think is an IF as a franchise QB does not make much sense. If I were not going to take McFadden and made a pick I would take Gholston because he fits the scheme and will have an immediate ikmpact on a bad team.


Ryan (St. Louis,MO): Will the Chiefs pass on Ryan if he is still on the board when they pick at 5.

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Jeremy Green: Sure if Jake Long were on the board. The other scenario that could make them pass is how high do they have Ryan Clady. I don't think they want to take Ryan. I think they would like to trade down and still get Clady at #5. Ultimately if they are at #5 and can't move down they should got DT.


Darrell, Durham NC: The rames are sitting at No.2, what are they going to do? Who do they covet most C.Long, V. Golston, Dorsey, or J.Long?

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Jeremy Green: I think Chris Long because he fits the system more then Gholston. I don't see Dorsey here because they moved Carriker inside and he did a noce job converting from a college DE. Jake Long would make some sense but like Miami they really need a LOT, because the Rams need to get Alex Barron back on the right side at RT.


Doug (NY): Heard that Deion was in the 4.1s back in his 'Prime Time' days....true?

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Jeremy Green: Deion was in the 4'1... Randy Moss in the 4'2's


David (Tulsa): whatever happened to AAron Brooks? Has he retired? Has anyone even thought about bringing him back?

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Jeremy Green: Could call there and glad you brought it up David. He was out of the league last year. I was talking to a souce with the Packers about their QB situation now and he mentioned that Brooks names was brought up. Even though he was out last seaosn, he would be a decent backup and would know his role and not be a threat to Rodgers. Maybe the most important thing though is that he knows the system beasue McCarthy was his OC with the Saints.


Raab (Rochester,NY): Jeremy, please set all those "experts" out there straight who believe that the Giants are a better team without Jeremy Shockey.

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Jeremy Green: In the ling run that would be tough to say. I will say this. Eli Manning became a better QB without Jeremy Shockey because he was not forcing him the ball. That said I think with the ring Eli has matured enough to now not do that with Shockey on the filed. If Eli does not fall into that old bad habit then no they are not better without Shockey.


jim- boston: What do you see w/ the Pats @ 7? Seems like an unlucky number this year. Trade back for Groves if Goulston is not available? Thanks.

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Jeremy Green: They would take Gholston in a second. They would like a corner and while I say the SportsNation poll has Leodis McKevin out of position as late as they do, I think this is too early. They would like to trade back and take McKelvin or Talib from Kansas but if they can't I think they will take take Keith Rivers from USC.


Bob, Atl Ga: HELLO MY BROTHER.. Did you like the D.Hall trade? - I was hoping for more compensation.. In terms of our 3rd pick - how about Dorsey to ancor the middle of our Defense for the next 10 years..

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Jeremy Green: Hey Bob. I like the trade for Atlanta and hate it for the Raiders I would agree that more compensation would have been nice, they got rid of a player that does not give 100% and is not good in the locker room. I think we saw it with Moss and will with Rogers in Clevenad. Great players can get lazy on bad teams. Moss was not done in Oakland, he just lost interest. Oakland trades for Hall who plays when he feels like it and now they might lose Asomugha is franchised next season. Asomugha is one of the top five corners in the NFL and plays circles around the more talented yet disinterested DeAngelo Hall.


Jake (VA Beach): While the Giants aren't better without Shockey, I do believe losing him with Tiki's leaving helped Eli become the leader he needed to be. Don't you?

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Jeremy Green: I agree with the Barber part of this. I think he was maybe a bit moe of a locker room lawyer then I know I thought.


Rick-Lowell, MA: I have to disagree with you on Rivers at #7. He's not rated anywhere near the top 10 on any of the boards I've seen and the Pats never draft for need. They always seem to draft the best available and I doubt they reach for a guy like Rivers at 7.

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Jeremy Green: Tough to say. I have seen him as high as 10. Agree on the need part. Value here could be Darren McFadden, Sedrick Ellis or even Glen Dorsey if he medical were to drop him some.


loaf (san diego): wouldn't it be foolish for dallas to trade up into the top 5 or 6 spot to nab DMAC? MBIII is a great starter and a complimentary back (like felix jones or jamaal charles) can be had without forfeiting picks that should be used on CB and WR. the whole jerrah/arkansas thing is a myth anyway since he has only signed hamlin, but never drafted a guy from the school ever.

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Jeremy Green: I think McFadden is the best player in the draft, however I think it is too far to go and you have to give up too much if you are Dallas to go get him. THey have Barber III so if you are Dallas and want a back why not stay right there and take Felix Jones who would have started at 90% of the other D1 schools that did not have McFadden. There will also be some WR and CB value at #22 if you are Dallas.. I think they should stand pat and pick @ #22.



Jack: Jeremy c'mon! There is no way McFadden drops to 7. Especially not after the year Peterson had.

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Jeremy Green: Right no chance because Peterson didn't drop last season. Secondly what in the hell does Peterson have to do with McFadden. Thirdly Peterson was a phenomenal rookie so I take nothing away from him but he ran behind the best O_line in the league. The same line Chester Taylor ran well behind in 2006 and the same line he piled up numbers behind when Peterson was injured. So Jack based on your logic the Browns would have been idiots to take Thomas who went to the Pro Bowl last season as a rookie because there was an OT names Robert Gallery who went #2 and was not good. Peterson and McFadden are not the same guy,.


Bobby (Toledo, OH): Have you heard anything about Chad Johnson to Oakland? I hear Fabian Washington, a 2 & a 3 next year.

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Jeremy Green: There is a rumor floating out there but and it is the deal you mention but as of right now Marvin Lewis seems stuck on (and I have no idea why), keeping a player that does not want to be there and that they missed the playoffs the last two seasons with anyways. Yes the missed mainly because of their horrible defense but the constant issues off the field and in the locker room have played a role as well.


Johnny(Queens): Do you think the Bills should draft CB Domininque Rodgers-Cromartie(If Available?) over any of the WR's with the 11th overall pick? Wouldnt that be too high for a WR to go anyway?

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Jeremy Green: I don't think it will be Rodgers Cromartie who appears to be on the slide. Right now I think McKelvin is the first corner to go and could still be on the board. Talib from Kansas I think will be the 2nd corner to go and even Mike Jenkins seens hotter then Cromartie right now but it is ever changing. That said I think the Bills go WR here with Malcolm Kelly.


Mikey(Lackawanna,NY): JG, Do you think the Jets would select DT Sedric Ellis and convert him to DE? Most 3-4 DE's are converted from DT's like Seymour and Warren for the Pats and Ngata from the Ravens!

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Jeremy Green: I think the Jets are in a very good spot because they can as you said take Ellis. Gholston will likely still be on the board and of course they would be keeping him from the Pats so that does not hurt in their mind and McFadden could be here as well. The playes that the Jets could get here are great value, great players and also fit their biggest needs which is a plus.


Bobby (Toledo, OH): How do I apply for the Lions GM job?

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Jeremy Green: I don't know?? Is this a trick question? I guess you could try to become the Asst GM in Tampa Bay because they seem to like the rest of Tampa's "hand me downs."


Joey: Jeremy I have to agree that there is no way in hell Mcfadden drops to 7 and no way in hell Rivers cracks the top ten.

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Jeremy Green: I never say never. No way Rodgers goes 22 or Quinn falls that far. NEVER is a very strong workd Unlikely he falls to 7? OK It is not impossible and keep in mind there is a little "smoke" there right now with some character things. I agree with Jack and you Joey that it would be stupid for 6 teams to pass. Hell, I have him rated as the #1 player in this draft. Teams should not go need. You have a top five pick you should get the best player you can get. Hell, I think Miami should take him. Why at #1 would you not take the best player in the draft? Is Ronnie Brown coming off a serious injury good enough to pass on McFadden? In my mind No,.


Rodney (Chi-Town): Is Ryan even a better QB than Brady Quinn was last year? I think that Quinn has better 'stuff' than Ryan.

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Jeremy Green: I think they are very close. Ryan would never fall like Quinn did because he will be the first QB selected.


Bruce ( Opelika, AL ): Jeremy you will never get back in the NFL with the football logic your dishing out.

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Jeremy Green: Well lucky for me I turned down the last 4 offers.


Bobby (Toledo, OH): Good one, better than I could have come up with!!


Bob, Atl Ga: JACK GOT PWNED BY GREEN NATION!!!


Jack: JEREMY GREEN YOU HAVE JUST REDEEMED YOURSELF!!!!!


Asher - Batcave: JG - Can you give me Al Davis' number? I'm gonna go out and hurt my ACL, so I can get a good contract! You say that Ryan is behing Eli, Rivers, etc. My question is how does he compare as a prospect to JaMarcus and/or Quinn last year? Thanks, Asher

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Jeremy Green: I would say not even close to Russell in terms of physical tools. I would say physically closer to QUinn but again he is not going to drop like that. As for Davis number see if you can find these on your touch tone. 1-800-OVER-PAY.


Ben Loves Tool (DC): Jake Long was an all american LT in college... what do you mean he'd struggle with a move to LT?

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Jeremy Green: Did not mean it like that. Meant that I think a lot of teams see him more as a RT early in his career because the speed is different and some are unsure if he can will be a LT at the NFL level.


Mike, NJ: Would the Bills trade Donte Whitner to the Giants for Jereny Shockey?

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Jeremy Green: I would hope not. I worry about Shockey long term medically.


RS: JG, lost a lot of respect for you today. You are completely wrong on DMC. He will be a bigger bust than Reggie Bush has been.

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Jeremy Green: OUCH... thanks for the props anyways. A lot of differing opinions on DMC today that is for sure.


Brad(NM): Did Buffalo drop the ball by not signing Bryant Johnson?

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Jeremy Green: Yes for the one year bargain the 49ers got him at. Has been a solid #2 when Boldin or Fitz missed time.


Anthony (NYC): JG you can't explain it any better than you already have, J. long is a better fit at right tackle, a capable LOT, but better ROT. If you watch Thomas and Long you'll see the difference.

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Jeremy Green: No you explained it better. Thanks.


Bobby (Toledo, OH): RS...agree!! DMC and Dorsey have all the tools to join the Tony Mandarich and Ki-Jana Carter's and Dan Wilkenson's of the world!!

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Jeremy Green: WOW!! OK I am out of here on that note before someone tries to throw me under the bus. The dreaded T-MAN and KJC card has been thrown. When those two names are brought up it is time to call it a day... Peace-out and I will see you back here soon.
 

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WoodysGirl;2017722 said:
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Jeremy Green: I don't think it will be Rodgers Cromartie who appears to be on the slide. Right now I think McKelvin is the first corner to go and could still be on the board. Talib from Kansas I think will be the 2nd corner to go and even Mike Jenkins seens hotter then Cromartie right now but it is ever changing. That said I think the Bills go WR here with Malcolm Kelly.

We can only hope.
 

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CrazyCowboy;2017742 said:
He got one thing right--DMAC is the best player in draft

He also was right when he said top stand pat at 22 and 28.
 

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He's the first person to say that DRC is sliding. Hopefully all the way to 22!.
 

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AmishCowboy;2017812 said:
He's the first person to say that DRC is sliding. Hopefully all the way to 22!.

I honestly cant say that I am all that excited about him or have an opinion one way or another...he simply hasnt been seen

I do think he's going to have a steep learning curve before he's a regular contributor though...anyone that thinks he is waltzing in from Tennessee St (where he was extremely up and down by numerous accounts) and be a solid role player in his rookie yr may end up sadly mistaken...he probably needs 2-3 years

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If we select Felix Jones in the 1st round, I'm going to throw a brick at my TV.
 

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Deep_Freeze;2017891 said:
If we select Felix Jones in the 1st round, I'm going to throw a brick at my TV.

I don't want him either.........
 

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Sarge;2017893 said:
I don't want him either.........

Yeah, I just hate to see us draft a backup RB that early, his upside is just too limited. Great kickoff returner though....:rolleyes:

If we were going to do that, we just as well wait til late....like with Barber.
 

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Deep_Freeze;2017891 said:
If we select Felix Jones in the 1st round, I'm going to throw a brick at my TV.
If we draft him, I would be sick. He's the only RB that I just really don't want.
 

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Rockytop6;2017818 said:
Cromartie is sliding? He is now the 4th rated CB? I have to see it to believe it.

I think the "slide" is due to the fact that scouts got really excited when they saw his back to back Senior bowl and combine performances, but then when they went back and took a 2nd closer look at his tape they realized he has some flaws in his game. I agree that the kid is probably not going to be a first season starter, but assuming we get Pacman its probable that he won't have to be.

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I still say Ray Rice is and will be the best RB throughout all of the RBs coming out in this draft. He may not be the fastest or the quickest, or even the most talented, but he will be the most durable and have more longevity and production.
 

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Deep_Freeze;2017899 said:
Yeah, I just hate to see us draft a backup RB that early, his upside is just too limited. Great kickoff returner though....:rolleyes:

If we were going to do that, we just as well wait til late....like with Barber.

This isn't just to you Freeze, it's to everyone who thinks that Barber is going to get 30 carries and the other back is going to get 5-8 carries a games. The plan will be about the same as when JJ was here, about a 50-50 split. So the idea is to keep MBIII fresh and get better production from JJ's replacement. Now I admit the MBIII will get more carries than he has but it's not going to be a big deviation from before. :cool:
 

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starfrombirth;2017928 said:
This isn't just to you Freeze, it's to everyone who thinks that Barber is going to get 30 carries and the other back is going to get 5-8 carries a games. The plan will be about the same as when JJ was here, about a 50-50 split. So the idea is to keep MBIII fresh and get better production from JJ's replacement. Now I admit the MBIII will get more carries than he has but it's not going to be a big deviation from before. :cool:
I totally agree. Barber thrives in a 2 RB setup.
 

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starfrombirth;2017928 said:
This isn't just to you Freeze, it's to everyone who thinks that Barber is going to get 30 carries and the other back is going to get 5-8 carries a games. The plan will be about the same as when JJ was here, about a 50-50 split. So the idea is to keep MBIII fresh and get better production from JJ's replacement. Now I admit the MBIII will get more carries than he has but it's not going to be a big deviation from before. :cool:

Hmmm, well, I know I didn't say Barber would get 30 carries a game. This is what I am saying, that I believe Felix Jones is the type of back that is that guy that gets the 5-8 carries a game, not what Barber needs. That is the very reason I don't want Felix, if we wanted 5-8 carries a game, we could get that later in the draft like we did with Barber, except we got lucky with Barber.

Sorry if I was unclear. I believe there are other backs in this draft that should be teamed with Barber, and yes, can carry half the load with Barber starting. At this point, I don't feel Felix is that guy, but if we draft him, I sincerely hope he proves me wrong and can carry half the load, cause that is exactly what we need for Barber.
 

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BHendri5;2017922 said:
I still say Ray Rice is and will be the best RB throughout all of the RBs coming out in this draft. He may not be the fastest or the quickest, or even the most talented, but he will be the most durable and have more longevity and production.

anything is possible, but his talent is nowhere near that of several guys that will be drafted ahead of him...unless he ends up on a team that just has nobody else, he'll probably be nothing more than a backup/2nd RB for several seasons

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WoodysGirl;2017722 said:
DeAngleo Hall never ran 4.1 - I think it was closer to 4.3 and a lot of people with less speed run by Hall because he is LAZY!
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