ESPN Scout Jeremy Green Chat Wrap... 3 'boys

[big dog cowboy]

loaf (san diego): wouldn't it be foolish for dallas to trade up into the top 5 or 6 spot to nab DMAC? MBIII is a great starter and a complimentary back (like felix jones or jamaal charles) can be had without forfeiting picks that should be used on CB and WR. the whole jerrah/arkansas thing is a myth anyway since he has only signed hamlin, but never drafted a guy from the school ever.

Jeremy Green: I think McFadden is the best player in the draft, however I think it is too far to go and you have to give up too much if you are Dallas to go get him. THey have Barber III so if you are Dallas and want a back why not stay right there and take Felix Jones who would have started at 90% of the other D1 schools that did not have McFadden. There will also be some WR and CB value at #22 if you are Dallas.. I think they should stand pat and pick @ #22.

I really wish we could sticky this. If only for 4 weeks.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I really wish we could sticky this. If only for 4 weeks.

I agree with him and you.

The chance to get McFadden was realized when we got the Browns pick.
Then the Browns did what they did.
McFadden for all intents and purposes as a Cowboys was un-realized.

But as I have stated before... that may not stop Jerry.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

did Jeremy Green really say "peace out"?

 

[heir]

I think the "slide" is due to the fact that scouts got really excited when they saw his back to back Senior bowl and combine performances, but then when they went back and took a 2nd closer look at his tape they realized he has some flaws in his game. I agree that the kid is probably not going to be a first season starter, but assuming we get Pacman its probable that he won't have to be.

Jon

If we can say Cromartie is the 4th corner on our depth chart that would be a very good thing.

 

[dbair1967]

If we can say Cromartie is the 4th corner on our depth chart that would be a very good thing.

If he's the best player on the board when we are there, you usually cant go wrong drafting BPA, especially over the long haul

but I hate the idea of using a 1st rd pick on a CB who at best will be the 4th guy and really doesnt give you much in terms on return skills...its almost a wasted pick...you draft guys in later rounds to become 4th CB's

David

 

[heir]

If he's the best player on the board when we are there, you usually cant go wrong drafting BPA, especially over the long haul

but I hate the idea of using a 1st rd pick on a CB who at best will be the 4th guy and really doesnt give you much in terms on return skills...its almost a wasted pick...you draft guys in later rounds to become 4th CB's

David

Yeah I agree. But I think he is only the 4th corner for a few months and maybe a full year. After that he could start. Either way I wasn't saying draft him, just saying our CBs would be great if we can say he is our 4th best corner at the time if we did draft him.

 

[sbark]

quote: THey have Barber III so if you are Dallas and want a back why not stay right there and take Felix Jones who would have started at 90% of the other D1 schools that did not have McFadden

....ya: and more than 90% of the other backs in D1 are not drafted either

Not saying Felix shouldnt be drafted, but not Day 1 for sure........

 

[thewireman]

What is it about Felix Jones that no one likes? I could have sworn just a few months ago everybody here wanted him

 

[dbair1967]

What is it about Felix Jones that no one likes? I could have sworn just a few months ago everybody here wanted him

I have no idea why people dont like Jones...he's a big play machine and an excellent kick returner...once he gets more reps catching the ball he could make a heckuva RB tandem with Barber

whats really funny is alot of people on here say dont draft Felix Jones, because if Barber gets hurt Jones has never been "the guy" or "carried the load"...yet some of those same people are the one's who said signing Michael Turner to a ridiculous contract would have been a good move...go figure

David

 

[dbair1967]

quote: THey have Barber III so if you are Dallas and want a back why not stay right there and take Felix Jones who would have started at 90% of the other D1 schools that did not have McFadden

....ya: and more than 90% of the other backs in D1 are not drafted either

Not saying Felix shouldnt be drafted, but not Day 1 for sure........

another person who makes comments without ever seeing a guy play

David

 

[burmafrd]

Any CB we pick high will be our 3rd CB at least in the next year or two. Could be our #2.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I have no idea why people dont like Jones...he's a big play machine and an excellent kick returner...once he gets more reps catching the ball he could make a heckuva RB tandem with Barber

whats really funny is alot of people on here say dont draft Felix Jones, because if Barber gets hurt Jones has never been "the guy" or "carried the load"...yet some of those same people are the one's who said signing Michael Turner to a ridiculous contract would have been a good move...go figure

David

another person who makes comments without ever seeing a guy play

David

I have seen him play, and I know the huge plays Felix has made. I also remember one time he was asked to carry the load. It was 2006, against USC, when Darren was hurt in that off the field incident.

Now I have a bad memory, so sorry if I get it a bit wrong, but it was unsure if Darren would play in that game. So how did Felix respond to the pressure of being the man.....well it was a tight game early til Felix fumbled three times and the Hogs got blew out after basically Felix's fumbles(go figure). Darren eventually played in that game.....wonder why.

Now I know he has made many positive plays, and I understand that. I just am still really unsure if I want to see him take 15 carries a game in an NFL game when at Arkansas he only averaged 10-11 carries a game (mostly to the outside) for his career.

There are many backs who perform in this limited time in college and do well in the NFL, I just can't say that I believe that in this particular case it will be true. It was obivous Cadillac and Ronnie Brown were pretty close in talent, same can't be said here.

 

[dbair1967]

I have seen him play, and I know the huge plays Felix has made. I also remember one time he was asked to carry the load. It was 2006, against USC, when Darren was hurt in that off the field incident.

Now I have a bad memory, so sorry if I get it a bit wrong, but it was unsure if Darren would play in that game. So how did Felix respond to the pressure of being the man.....well it was a tight game early til Felix fumbled three times and the Hogs got blew out after basically Felix's fumbles(go figure). Darren eventually played in that game.....wonder why.

Now I know he has made many positive plays, and I understand that. I just am still really unsure if I want to see him take 15 carries a game in an NFL game when at Arkansas he only averaged 10-11 carries a game (mostly to the outside) for his career.

There are many backs who perform in this limited time in college and do well in the NFL, I just can't say that I believe that in this particular case it will be true. It was obivous Cadillac and Ronnie Brown were pretty close in talent, same can't be said here.

you pick out one game as an example...I'm not even sure how accurate your summary is either...Arkansas got beat 50-14, Jones carried only 7 times but gained 48 yds and I seriously doubt a guy that rarely fumbled fumbled 3 times in that game alone...I saw most of that game too and didnt remember it, and when I looked up the boxscore I saw Arkansas had 5 turnovers in the game...3 ints and 2 fumbles lost

you cant argue with the results the guy got, and he did it week in and week out against quality opponents

you just cant spin those kinds of results...back to back 1000+ yd seasons despite splitting time...THREE runs last yr alone over 70+ yds, two runs over 58 yds as a SPH, including one of 85, another 80 yd TD as a FR..twelve 100+ yd games including SIX last yr..6.3 yds per carry was the LOWEST in any of his 3 seasons

David Lee and the rest of their coaching staff had nothing but glowing reports on this kid, and Lee even said they wished they'd have ran him more (but couldnt for obvious reasons)...I think a situation like ours (where we already have a good carry the load guy) is ideal for him and he doesnt have an ego problem either because he's been the 2nd guy for all 3 yrs in school

David

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I love that he dinged Catfish Hall.

When the trade was being talked about so much a couple of weeks ago, Clayton kept calling MeAngelo one of the best corners in football, and Green would correct him and say that he was one of the most talented, but not one of the best. Said he's only a good player when he wants to be, and that on a bad team he often didn't want to be like he should. Plus, he said, the Raiders will be bad and teams will be going at him all the time now because they'll stay away from Nmandi.

So it's good to see someone in the media has his eyes open.

 

[CATCH17]

you pick out one game as an example...I'm not even sure how accurate your summary is either...Arkansas got beat 50-14, Jones carried only 7 times but gained 48 yds and I seriously doubt a guy that rarely fumbled fumbled 3 times in that game alone...I saw most of that game too and didnt remember it, and when I looked up the boxscore I saw Arkansas had 5 turnovers in the game...3 ints and 2 fumbles lost

you cant argue with the results the guy got, and he did it week in and week out against quality opponents

you just cant spin those kinds of results...back to back 1000+ yd seasons despite splitting time...THREE runs last yr alone over 70+ yds, two runs over 58 yds as a SPH, including one of 85, another 80 yd TD as a FR..twelve 100+ yd games including SIX last yr..6.3 yds per carry was the LOWEST in any of his 3 seasons

David Lee and the rest of their coaching staff had nothing but glowing reports on this kid, and Lee even said they wished they'd have ran him more (but couldnt for obvious reasons)...I think a situation like ours (where we already have a good carry the load guy) is ideal for him and he doesnt have an ego problem either because he's been the 2nd guy for all 3 yrs in school

David

Not to mention Arkansas plays in the SEC and USC sure as heck wasn't the only good defense he saw for his 3 seasons.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

you pick out one game as an example...I'm not even sure how accurate your summary is either...Arkansas got beat 50-14, Jones carried only 7 times but gained 48 yds and I seriously doubt a guy that rarely fumbled fumbled 3 times in that game alone...I saw most of that game too and didnt remember it, and when I looked up the boxscore I saw Arkansas had 5 turnovers in the game...3 ints and 2 fumbles lost

you cant argue with the results the guy got, and he did it week in and week out against quality opponents

you just cant spin those kinds of results...back to back 1000+ yd seasons despite splitting time...THREE runs last yr alone over 70+ yds, two runs over 58 yds as a SPH, including one of 85, another 80 yd TD as a FR..twelve 100+ yd games including SIX last yr..6.3 yds per carry was the LOWEST in any of his 3 seasons

David Lee and the rest of their coaching staff had nothing but glowing reports on this kid, and Lee even said they wished they'd have ran him more (but couldnt for obvious reasons)...I think a situation like ours (where we already have a good carry the load guy) is ideal for him and he doesnt have an ego problem either because he's been the 2nd guy for all 3 yrs in school

David

This is what was said and I saw the whole game by the way:

USC and Arkansas both came into the game with a number of question marks, as USC had lost stars Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart to the NFL, and Arkansas's star running back Darren McFadden was injured in an off-field incident. Although the game was close until the latter minutes of the second quarter, a combination USC's high-powered offense wearing out Arkansas's defense, and running back Felix Jones' three fumbles, stretched the margin in the second half to the final score.

Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Arkansas_Razorbacks_football_team

Hey, I'm Razorback alumni, I have no reason to hate on the kid, I like the kid. But I don't want him to be a Cowboy with one of our first picks, period. Not spinning it, just what I think by watching him his whole college career.

Now I will say I was suprised that he ran a 4.47, his game speed is much quicker than that. Guess they don't have to hold a football with pads on with huge guys chasing you in the 40 at the combine....

He is a great kick returner, that is a given, better than DMac. But stats can only tell part of the story most of the time, alot of Felix's big runs was out of the wildcat with DMac as a decoy(QB). Believe me, DMac was a bigger part of Felix's success than perhaps any combo of running backs in recent history. No matter who you think about, nothing is similar to the way that backfield was ran.

I don't have a problem with him, I just think he is a second to third round pick, and don't see 15 carries week in and week out in the NFL for him right now, hope I'm wrong. He is quickier than he is fast, so that helps, but he is more of an edge runner.

If we got him in the second, I would be happy, but not in the first.

 

[dbair1967]

This is what was said and I saw the whole game by the way:



Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Arkansas_Razorbacks_football_team

here's the link to the boxscore...I rarely see these wrong, especially after the first day they are put up:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262450008

and I watched that game in Vegas and dont recll him fumbling 3 times either

David

 

[dbair1967]

If we got him in the second, I would be happy, but not in the first.

we'd almost assuredly never get him where we pick in the 2nd rd...might get him at the top of the 2nd though

David

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Well I have seen mocks all over the place for him, especially after that 40 time. Who knows, Jerrah's the boss, but if Felix is there in the first and there is value elsewhere, I go elsewhere.....like one of the top WRs or CBs.

We would probably have to move up in the second to get him, but that doesn't mean we should reach in the first round. Thats not the round to reach, but I could easily see him an early second round pick, like top 10-15 of that round.