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Updated: Feb. 13, 2007, 12:09 AM ET
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Shocking developments in San Diego
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With Marty Schottenheimer getting fired on Monday night, it's time to go to our experts to get answers on the coach and the San Diego Chargers in a special edition of Burning Questions.

1. Are you surprised by the firing?


Mark Schlereth: I'm shocked from an organizational standpoint. This team has lost its offensive coordinator [Cam Cameron], defensive coordinator [Wade Phillips], linebackers coach [Greg Manusky], tight ends coach [Rob Chudzinski], assistant strength and conditioning coach [Matt Schiotz], and now the head coach in a relatively short period of time. Apparently there was a severe enough conflict between [general manager] A.J. Smith and Marty Schottenheimer that the Chargers organization decided to upset the stability it had -- which is even more surprising.

The one constant that all great organizations have is stability. So it's incredibly shocking the Chargers would choose this route.

Merril Hoge:
I'm extremely surprised by this decision. The Chargers had one of the best teams in football last season and now they've decided to make this decision so late in the game. This team should be preparing for the draft and shoring up any holes they may have as well as dealing with free agency. Instead, they are now in the market for a new head coach after most of the better candidates have already been hired.

Heck, if this team wanted to they could've made this decision a week after their loss to the New England Patriots and hired one of their coordinators who went on to take head coaching jobs elsewhere.

Sean Salisbury:
I'm very surprised but not shocked. They've had a very strained relationship over the years and I think this decision was made because of the loss of the two coordinators. All of a sudden, Marty is in a position to hire two new coordinators as well as other assistant coaches and you have to wonder if he could give them longer contracts than he had and what type of job security he could ensure them since he was a lame-duck coach going into next season.

2. Was the right guy let go?


Schlereth:
It's hard to say if the right guy was let go because so much goes into a 14-2 season. It's not just the hard work of the coach, but also the hard work of the general manager. A.J. Smith has done a wonderful job in free agency, the draft and trade market. It would've been extremely difficult for the Chargers organization to let Smith go.

Hoge: I think the right guy was let go because Smith has done such a phenomenal job for the Chargers. It would've been very difficult for them to let him go, while Schottenheimer can be more easily replaced.

Salisbury: This is not the right decision. I have a great deal of respect for Smith and the Spanos' organization, but I find it unfathomable that a coach who went 14-2 was fired. This is unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable.

3. Who should the Chargers look to hire?

Schlereth: The Chargers are probably going to look to hire a younger coach who will be able to co-exist with A.J. Smith. Obviously they don't want to recreate the same scenario that they just ended. They should call the Cowboys and find out who their second best candidate was and bring him in immediately to talk to him.

Hoge: They have to get a guy in there who can work with Smith and who can keep the team on the same path, which is easier said than done. There are still some decent coaching candidates out there, but the Chargers may have to be creative in finding out which guy is the right person to lead them down the line.

Salisbury: The Chargers have a perfect candidate right in San Diego and that's Dennis Green. He's an excellent candidate for a veteran team like the Chargers and probably won't demand the type of power that other more established coaches will try to get from San Diego.
 

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Cbz40;1375633 said:
Updated: Feb. 13, 2007, 12:09 AM ET
Burning questions



Shocking developments in San Diego
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Salisbury: The Chargers have a perfect candidate right in San Diego and that's Dennis Green. He's an excellent candidate for a veteran team like the Chargers and probably won't demand the type of power that other more established coaches will try to get from San Diego.

Tardometer is going nuts! Run Sean, run!!!
 

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The Chargers have a perfect candidate right in San Diego and that's Dennis Green

or better yet, Parcells to San Diego... that'd be an interesting thread...
 

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Cbz40;1375633 said:
Updated: Feb. 13, 2007, 12:09 AM ET
Burning questions



Shocking developments in San Diego
ESPN.com

With Marty Schottenheimer getting fired on Monday night, it's time to go to our experts to get answers on the coach and the San Diego Chargers in a special edition of Burning Questions.

1. Are you surprised by the firing?


Mark Schlereth: I'm shocked from an organizational standpoint. This team has lost its offensive coordinator [Cam Cameron], defensive coordinator [Wade Phillips], linebackers coach [Greg Manusky], tight ends coach [Rob Chudzinski], assistant strength and conditioning coach [Matt Schiotz], and now the head coach in a relatively short period of time. Apparently there was a severe enough conflict between [general manager] A.J. Smith and Marty Schottenheimer that the Chargers organization decided to upset the stability it had -- which is even more surprising.

The one constant that all great organizations have is stability. So it's incredibly shocking the Chargers would choose this route.

Merril Hoge:
I'm extremely surprised by this decision. The Chargers had one of the best teams in football last season and now they've decided to make this decision so late in the game. This team should be preparing for the draft and shoring up any holes they may have as well as dealing with free agency. Instead, they are now in the market for a new head coach after most of the better candidates have already been hired.

Heck, if this team wanted to they could've made this decision a week after their loss to the New England Patriots and hired one of their coordinators who went on to take head coaching jobs elsewhere.

Sean Salisbury:
I'm very surprised but not shocked. They've had a very strained relationship over the years and I think this decision was made because of the loss of the two coordinators. All of a sudden, Marty is in a position to hire two new coordinators as well as other assistant coaches and you have to wonder if he could give them longer contracts than he had and what type of job security he could ensure them since he was a lame-duck coach going into next season.

2. Was the right guy let go?


Schlereth:
It's hard to say if the right guy was let go because so much goes into a 14-2 season. It's not just the hard work of the coach, but also the hard work of the general manager. A.J. Smith has done a wonderful job in free agency, the draft and trade market. It would've been extremely difficult for the Chargers organization to let Smith go.

Hoge: I think the right guy was let go because Smith has done such a phenomenal job for the Chargers. It would've been very difficult for them to let him go, while Schottenheimer can be more easily replaced.

Salisbury: This is not the right decision. I have a great deal of respect for Smith and the Spanos' organization, but I find it unfathomable that a coach who went 14-2 was fired. This is unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable.

3. Who should the Chargers look to hire?

Schlereth: The Chargers are probably going to look to hire a younger coach who will be able to co-exist with A.J. Smith. Obviously they don't want to recreate the same scenario that they just ended. They should call the Cowboys and find out who their second best candidate was and bring him in immediately to talk to him.
Hoge: They have to get a guy in there who can work with Smith and who can keep the team on the same path, which is easier said than done. There are still some decent coaching candidates out there, but the Chargers may have to be creative in finding out which guy is the right person to lead them down the line.

Salisbury: The Chargers have a perfect candidate right in San Diego and that's Dennis Green. He's an excellent candidate for a veteran team like the Chargers and probably won't demand the type of power that other more established coaches will try to get from San Diego.

yep they should immediately bring in Norv Turner, the wonders he could do with Rivers and LT. problem solved
 

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Wonder if this development changes the possibility Phillips might get a shot on either of the 2 SD deffensive coaches he wanted to interview/bring over. If they hire a new HC (unless they promote from within), it's possible he might want to bring in his own team. Of course Norv probably is the right guy for that job cause he could develop Rivers and the rest of the offense I think is fine--although I think they probably need at least one quality WR. Wonder if Norv will go along with Pagona as his DC or will want Riveria. SD must move on this quickly and frankly Norv much better choice in my mind then Green.
 

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Well, I'm pretty shocked. I know he was on shaky ground this year but I didn't know there would be an earthquake already.

I'm not a big Marty fan anyway but I thought he had done a very good job in SD. It will be interesting to see who they bring in now with most of the better candidates already picked up.

Turner? Rivera? Singletary? My guess would be Turner but only because he has experience as a HC while the other two don't.

There's a reason why the Chargers haven't won a championship since 1963. When you don't win anything in over 40 years it's the owner. (See: Cards, Lions, Saints, Eagles, Falcons, Jets, etc.)

Oh yeah, I almost forgot... Denny Green? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!

I wouldn't wish him on the Commanders. Oh wait, yes I would. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!
 

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This doesn't shock me at all. I'm just a little surprised it took this long. AJ Smith might be the most pompous *** in football and with certain owners around, that's really saying something.

He wanted Shottenheimer gone now so any credit for winning falls on him and not whomever the head coach happens to be next and if they lose it'll be because their staff was raided.

Smith's setting himself up well.
 

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JaiRiid;1375642 said:
or better yet, Parcells to San Diego... that'd be an interesting thread...

Merriman would be 20 yards back in coverage :D
 

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Jimmy likes the water...

johnson_jimmycoach.jpg
 

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This move is one of the dumbest I've seen in a while. Are the Chargers afraid of success?
 

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The owner make su$% but man San Diego Bay will attract some flys, that area is just so beautiful, just down the road from SF I hear Norv calling..
 

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JaiRiid;1375642 said:
or better yet, Parcells to San Diego... that'd be an interesting thread...

That scenario was just discussed on Cold Pizza.
 

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When was the last time the coach of a 14-2 team was fired? Sheer idiocy.

However, the only way this could end up being a great move is if they let their two coordinators leave for other gigs, then had an easy excuse to fire their head coach since the whole thing is in shakeup mode anyway, and then have a secret big name on the horizon.

Firing Marty this late in the game makes no sense whatsoever........unless maybe you are going to hire Pete Carroll.

Just speculating, but if that's the plan, then you were in no hurry so you let your top two coordinators leave so there would be no holdovers and no uprising to have one of them named head coach, then you fire Marty and have absolutely no one on the burner....totally fresh start....hiring Pete Carroll would now look like a master stroke from a team in a dire situation.

As for Carroll, he's done right by USC...all the recruiting is finished, everyone has declared...your top assistant who looked to be going to Oakland changed his mind (hmmm...wonder why?...maybe he knows he's in line for the head USC job). If you are Pete, is there a more attractive NFL job right now for you?

He would inherit the team with the best NFL record, youth on both sides of the ball, NFL MVP on offense with a great young QB and TE, etc. etc....not to mention great talent on defense.....and.....you don't even have to move your family....they get to stay in California!!!

Maybe I'm crazy, but to me it's the only scenerio other than the owner and gm in SD being totally insane.
 

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This weakens a good team and if they hire someone like Rivera it will weaken the Bears. If they hire someone like Turner it weakens the 49ers and Rivers has to adjust to another system.

Marty was right when he didn't want Rivers and didn't want to part with Brees. Spanos and Smith are morons.:laugh2:
 

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Now would be the time to get out for Carroll. Between the Bush fiasco, Leinart and Jarrett and now McKnight accidently admitting a major NCAA violation at his LOI day PC, it's not going to be much longer before the NCAA sanctions the Trojans.
 

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SD has a very good front office and scouts- the talent they have reeled in the last few years shows that. I wonder just how much Smith is responsible for? It was HIS decision to dump Brees and go with Rivers- who is also on the team because he demanded that he be picked. Marty wanted to keep Brees. I think THAT was the final straw between them. Marty's poor record in the playoffs is what doomed him. That said, I question who is going to want to come to SD that is established and have to deal with Smith. I really doubt that Carrol wants to.
 

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wayne_motley;1375893 said:
When was the last time the coach of a 14-2 team was fired? Sheer idiocy.

However, the only way this could end up being a great move is if they let their two coordinators leave for other gigs, then had an easy excuse to fire their head coach since the whole thing is in shakeup mode anyway, and then have a secret big name on the horizon.

Firing Marty this late in the game makes no sense whatsoever........unless maybe you are going to hire Pete Carroll.

Just speculating, but if that's the plan, then you were in no hurry so you let your top two coordinators leave so there would be no holdovers and no uprising to have one of them named head coach, then you fire Marty and have absolutely no one on the burner....totally fresh start....hiring Pete Carroll would now look like a master stroke from a team in a dire situation.

As for Carroll, he's done right by USC...all the recruiting is finished, everyone has declared...your top assistant who looked to be going to Oakland changed his mind (hmmm...wonder why?...maybe he knows he's in line for the head USC job). If you are Pete, is there a more attractive NFL job right now for you?

He would inherit the team with the best NFL record, youth on both sides of the ball, NFL MVP on offense with a great young QB and TE, etc. etc....not to mention great talent on defense.....and.....you don't even have to move your family....they get to stay in California!!!

Maybe I'm crazy, but to me it's the only scenerio other than the owner and gm in SD being totally insane.


I scanned over on of the Chargers forums yesterday evening.

Seems like Carroll was a big name as the new possible coach for them as there may be some heat coming on USC (bush thing maybe)...and one person said they heard of Mooch possibly being the person that Smith/Spanos wanted...kind of hard to figure that one out though.
 

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JaiRiid;1375642 said:
or better yet, Parcells to San Diego... that'd be an interesting thread...

That would be hilarious after the comments Merriman and Castillo made...

Almost as hilarious as mentioning Denny Green as a good choice for them. :lmao:
 
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