ESPN: Waters performing like six-time Pro Bowler

[JoeyBoy718]

Why can't he be like 5 years younger?

If he was, we couldn't afford him.

 

[Clove]

I think Jerry now sees the upside in compiling good linemen. Waters has been a nice fit here so far.

 

[21Savage]

Starting to play well, but not playing like a 6 time pro bowler.

Not playing at the all pro level of Warford that's for sure

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I think Jerry now sees the upside in compiling good linemen. Waters has been a nice fit here so far.

Are you sure......easier to see that this would make Jerry think he can plug the spot with some old guy for cheap, meanwhile he needs youth at the skill positions like he has with TWill and such. Point blank, you need youth at the outside positions on offense and D, cause they go downhill fasssst unless they are elite.

I'm happy to see Waters playing well and helping this team, but if anything this development makes Jerry concentrate on other positions. Not like we can bring a RB or WR out of retirement and him have this kind of effect on the team.

Being able to get an old guy off his couch makes Jerry think he can always do that with linemen, and doesn't make him want to draft a guard high. Drafting a center and LT (2 most important positions on the OL) high is alot different than thinking he will go guard high.

 

[jobberone]

He'll be 37 in Feb this offseason so 1 maybe 2 years at most is more likely. I thought he was 36 this coming offseason so I'll walk back the three years. I'll take another 1-2 years until we develop someone. I'd still draft another G/C this year and maybe an OT as well. I think DL/passrusher is a much bigger priority but I don't really know for sure what we have in Bass, Crawford and the rest. Strengths and weaknesses can change so fast.

 

[jobberone]

I think Jerry now sees the upside in compiling good linemen. Waters has been a nice fit here so far.

I'm not sure Jerry has not drafted the OL if you look at the drafts. He's just missed on too many IMO.

 

[jobberone]

Are you sure......easier to see that this would make Jerry think he can plug the spot with some old guy for cheap, meanwhile he needs youth at the skill positions like he has with TWill and such. Point blank, you need youth at the outside positions on offense and D, cause they go downhill fasssst unless they are elite.

I'm happy to see Waters playing well and helping this team, but if anything this development makes Jerry concentrate on other positions. Not like we can bring a RB or WR out of retirement and him have this kind of effect on the team.

Being able to get an old guy off his couch makes Jerry think he can always do that with linemen, and doesn't make him want to draft a guard high. Drafting a center and LT (2 most important positions on the OL) high is alot different than thinking he will go guard high.

I don't think Jason will let him forget although I think Jerry knows what to do. I fault Jerry more for some bad resigns and trades along with poor drafting.

 

[5Stars]

I'm not sure Jerry has not drafted the OL if you look at the drafts. He's just missed on too many IMO.

He has missed on oline players, but how many does he draft in the very high rounds, like first or second?

 

[jobberone]

He has missed on oline players, but how many does he draft in the very high rounds, like first or second?

Well look at the drafts. Dallas has never really drafted OL high period. It's not just Jerry. But they've addressed the problem lately. You can only throw so many resources at problems these days. Again I fault the cap management, subpar drafting (remotely) and bad trades for players than I do on their philosophy. I do agree they need to use more day 1 and 2 assets to look in the trenches overall but I think you have to look at the drafts over time and not single drafts to evaluate it properly.

 

[theebs]

Bryan broaddus must be so mad.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I don't think Jason will let him forget although I think Jerry knows what to do. I fault Jerry more for some bad resigns and trades along with poor drafting.

I don't think the issue is Jerry forgetting, more of seeing value for the position by spending valuable first rounders for talent there. If you look at most of the great lines, most are based on a LT and C, of which we have young foundations for both.

I just believe anyone looking for an OL to be drafted in the first 3 rounds next year will be really disappointed. Our D has been pretty freakin horrible this year, and it should be the concentration of our next offseason and draft with BPA ruling the day.

I don't think Waters makes Jerry value the guard position more, if anything, it makes him value the position even less cause he can get a guy off his couch to play near a ProBowl level. Name a WR, RB, CB, or safety (ok maybe safety) that could do that.....the list starts with noone.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not playing at the all pro level of Warford that's for sure

Is that who he cherry picked in hindsight? I know at the time he was calling for those OT Watson and Armstead.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Is that who he cherry picked in hindsight? I know at the time he was calling for those OT Watson and Armstead.

I know a lot of people liked Warford in the 2nd or 3rd round if we couldn't get Warmack or Cooper. I know a lot of people also liked tackles like Watson and Armstead in the 4th or 5th because they figured Free would never recover.

 

[Risen Star]

I know a lot of people liked Warford in the 2nd or 3rd round if we couldn't get Warmack or Cooper. I know a lot of people also liked tackles like Watson and Armstead in the 4th or 5th because they figured Free would never recover.

Anybody keeping score knows I was talking Warford in December, let along in April.

This is usually how it works though. You're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong....okay, now you're just using hindsight.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Anybody keeping score knows I was talking Warford in December, let along in April.

This is usually how it works though. You're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong....okay, now you're just using hindsight.

I feel you. I wish we would've spent our 2nd on Warford instead of Escobar, but I am happy we missed out on Cooper and Warmack to get our center for the next 12 years. Not to mention, we added a long-term #2 WR with the trade down. Just wish we would've fixed 2 OL issues by getting Warford too. I think Escobar will be a solid player, just not worth a 2nd when we had bigger needs.

 

[Section446]

I feel you. I wish we would've spent our 2nd on Warford instead of Escobar, but I am happy we missed out on Cooper and Warmack to get our center for the next 12 years. Not to mention, we added a long-term #2 WR with the trade down. Just wish we would've fixed 2 OL issues by getting Warford too. I think Escobar will be a solid player, just not worth a 2nd when we had bigger needs.

It's impossible to know if Escobar was or wasn't worth it, the guy doesn't get enough opportunities.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

It's impossible to know if Escobar was or wasn't worth it, the guy doesn't get enough opportunities.

Well, that's the point. We already have an elite TE and we've been trying the two-TE offense for years, only to realize time and time again that we never give the 2nd TE enough opportunities. Why would this time be any different? I can understand if we didn't have a bunch of pressing needs, but TE was not worth a premium pick.

 

[Section446]

Well, that's the point. We already have an elite TE and we've been trying the two-TE offense for years, only to realize time and time again that we never give the 2nd TE enough opportunities. Why would this time be any different? I can understand if we didn't have a bunch of pressing needs, but TE was not worth a premium pick.

My guess, Witten can't possibly last forever. I'd like to think that they are grooming his replacement.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

My guess, Witten can't possibly last forever. I'd like to think that they are grooming his replacement.

Well, yea. But we don't NEED his replacement now. Plus, Witten is 31 and has never been injured. We had no guards even after the Frederick pick. Jerry gambled on the idea of Leary being healthy and productive and Waters singing with us. It was a gamble but he won. However, he gambled on the DL and lost big. Ratliff is 32 with an injury history and the organization had to have some idea that he might not ever play again. We just lost Brent after his manslaughter charge. Spencer and Ware are getting up there in age and Spencer is on a one year deal. A TE replacement was not a premium need.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Well, that's the point. We already have an elite TE and we've been trying the two-TE offense for years, only to realize time and time again that we never give the 2nd TE enough opportunities. Why would this time be any different? I can understand if we didn't have a bunch of pressing needs, but TE was not worth a premium pick.

Can we really say after a few games that Escobar was a bad pick?? They did go BPA according to their board, and drafting someone else cause of need is just a flawed strategy.

Give the kid a chance instead of assuming it will turn out like Fasano and Bennett.