ESPN's Adam Schefter, "early signs" OLB Von Miller will be a top-five pick

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Here's a breakdown from draftinsider.net:


Von MillerTexas A&M 6'2.5" 237 lb

Monday Practice Notes: Spent most of the day at SSLB, but was not impressive working his way through all the drills.

Tuesday Practice Notes: Not a good day for a guy that’s projected to be a 3-4 OLB. Was easily controlled by blocks all day and at one point got annihilated by Luke Stocker. Showed decent skills in coverage when he had to move in reverse. Miller was brought over to the pass rush drills to showcase his talents, which were average at best.

Wednesday Practice Notes: Nice athlete; fluid with a nice degree of explosion. Gets depth on drops. Moves well in all directions. Again struggled in pass rush drills.

From Optimumscouting.com

(Wednesday notes): I got a chance to really watch Von Miller much of the day, and he showed why I feel he's a Top 10 draft pick in this draft class and the best prospect in Mobile. He's noticeably quicker than every linebacker or defensive lineman here, and his explosion laterally and his quick feet have really impressed. Plus, he looked like he had tons of experience dropping in coverage...

Derek Sherrod did get beat by Von Miller twice in a row, one with an outside rush and one with a devestating inside move...


From draftcountdown.com:

(Tuesday notes): Texas A&M OLB Von Miller had an above average day as a whole. In 11-on-11’s, Miller did a very good job of going sideline-to-sideline and sniffing out runners. Miller did have some trouble in coverage against the tight ends though. Miller worked through traffic much better than anticipated.


Do you see why you can't rust what a draft website says?


Personally, I think with his versatility, Ryan would have lots of fun with him. He needs to be put with a creative coordinator. He isn't a 3 down OLB.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Wasn't Demarcus Ware 6'4 240 or something like that at the senior bowl? Wasn't his only move at that time a speed rush?

I know at 6'4, odds were that Ware could add significant weight (like 20 lbs), were Von Miller may be 10-15 max, but he should be able to add some weight and he will add more moves to his arsenal with better coaching.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Wasn't Demarcus Ware 6'4 240 or something like that at the senior bowl? Wasn't his only move at that time a speed rush?

I know at 6'4, odds were that Ware could add significant weight (like 20 lbs), were Von Miller may be 10-15 max, but he should be able to add some weight and he will add more moves to his arsenal with better coaching.

I don't know about Ware, but I know Clay Mathews was around 240, and he also had atrocious technique.


like I said, you can very easily coach technique. You can't coach speed. Miller will be a player.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I don't know about Ware, but I know Clay Mathews was around 240, and he also had atrocious technique.

actually 232

http://www.seniorbowl.com/roster2005.asp

so if Ware can add 30lbs, I don't see why Von Miller can't add 15lbs

 

[jterrell]

Von Miller going anywhere in the top 8 would be a blessing for us

yup....

he is a quality player but he is too small to play anything but safety for us.

 

[jterrell]

actually 232

http://www.seniorbowl.com/roster2005.asp

so if Ware can add 30lbs, I don't see why Von Miller can't add 15lbs

Ware was over 250 by the Combine. If Von Miller can get there and still run a 4.5 as Ware did he'll go high. Ware had been recruited as and played Safety but had a growth spurt.

99% of the population can not put on that kind of muscle in a calendar year much less a couple months. And even with the tiny percentage the vast majority would lose a ton of speed.


I do think Von Miller hits 250+ in the pros. But I doubt seriously he gets there until his sophomore season.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

actually 232

http://www.seniorbowl.com/roster2005.asp

so if Ware can add 30lbs, I don't see why Von Miller can't add 15lbs

Woah. Ware was 230 pounds? Thats insane... Nice find. That is lanky at 6'4 too.

The fact that Miller is 237 means nothing then. He hasn't even seen an NFL S&C coach. People need to stop using Millers weight as a knock..

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Ware was over 250 by the Combine. If Von Miller can get there and still run a 4.5 as Ware did he'll go high. Ware had been recruited as and played Safety but had a growth spurt.

99% of the population can not put on that kind of muscle in a calendar year much less a couple months. And even with the tiny percentage the vast majority would lose a ton of speed.


I do think Von Miller hits 250+ in the pros. But I doubt seriously he gets there until his sophomore season.

Ware weighed 230 at the end of January and 250 by the end of February?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Ware was over 250 by the Combine. If Von Miller can get there and still run a 4.5 as Ware did he'll go high. Ware had been recruited as and played Safety but had a growth spurt.

He may not add 13 pounds (not that much), but I can see him adding between 8-10, which puts him above 245

I do think Von Miller hits 250+ in the pros. But I doubt seriously he gets there until his sophomore season.

and what's wrong with that? Ware's first season he had trouble keeping weight on. I don't know if he ever dropped below 250, but it fluctuated.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You're saying Ware weighed 230 at the end of January and 250 by the end of February? That is humanly impossible.

he weighed in at 251

http://www.thehogs.net/Draft/combine/2005_Combine3.html

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=55196&draftyear=2005&genpos=OLB

 

[TheCount]

Ware weighed 230 at the end of January and 250 by the end of February?

He did go to the combine at 251.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

He did go to the combine at 251.

That is remarkable.

How the hell do you put on 20 pounds in one month? That is seriously nuts.

 

[jterrell]

Ware weighed 230 at the end of January and 250 by the end of February?

Either that or the 232 on the SB site is merely a self-reported weight that came from a Troy media guide. He got on the scale at the Combine and weighed 251.

A lot of draftniks/am scouts, like SI, has Ware rated as a 2nd rounder based on dated info and lack of DE experience.

 

[realtick]

Lol...

 

[jterrell]

He may not add 13 pounds (not that much), but I can see him adding between 8-10, which puts him above 245



and what's wrong with that? Ware's first season he had trouble keeping weight on. I don't know if he ever dropped below 250, but it fluctuated.

The issue is CAN we put on the weight at all. Ware was a massive guy at 6'4" with massive frame and wingspan. He had the growth potential.

Von Miller is just a smaller guy. He is a couple inches shorter and was 237 at a Senior Bowl weigh in whilst we don't know if Ware was actually on a scale at 232 for the Senior Bowl or not.

I am not saying teams won't like Miller... I am saying I think top 10 pick status is probably overstated and in fact he couldn't play here in Dallas at that size.

We still have the combine and 40 times and overall athleticism will cause some guys to really rise or take falls. We'll see what he shows up at and where eh falls in the list. If he is the smallest OLB on the board I don't suspect he ends up the first taken.

 

[CATCH17]

The issue is CAN we put on the weight at all. Ware was a massive guy at 6'4" with massive frame and wingspan. He had the growth potential.

Von Miller is just a smaller guy. He is a couple inches shorter and was 237 at a Senior Bowl weigh in whilst we don't know if Ware was actually on a scale at 232 for the Senior Bowl or not.

I am not saying teams won't like Miller... I am saying I think top 10 pick status is probably overstated and in fact he couldn't play here in Dallas at that size.
We still have the combine and 40 times and overall athleticism will cause some guys to really rise or take falls. We'll see what he shows up at and where eh falls in the list. If he is the smallest OLB on the board I don't suspect he ends up the first taken.

UNLESS you create a hybrid position for him and let the guy roam.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The issue is CAN we put on the weight at all. Ware was a massive guy at 6'4" with massive frame and wingspan. He had the growth potential.

Yep, I had Ware stand next to me at a restaurant bar just a couple years ago and he doesn't look freaky, blown up, or even particularly that muscular. He just looks like a tall athlete with a big, wide frame. He looks more "natural" than half the guys you see stuffed into Affliction shirts.

Not sure if Miller has the same ability to hold weight. Of course, maybe he does. I'd just be afraid he'd be a rich man's Victor Butler.

 

[jterrell]

UNLESS you create a hybrid position for him and let the guy roam.

Which would be fine except you already have Demarcus Ware to roam.

Ware is your pass rusher and they guy you move around to prevent double teams.

Which is why Miller can't play here at that weight. Here he'd be a big SS as he cant play the strogsside OLB and w ehave the best weakside OLB in football.

I am not sure why people have goofy infatuations with draft picks who are far lesser than what we have. Off to read about how we really must draft a superstar tight end at 9 next I guess....

 

[TheCount]

Which would be fine except you already have Demarcus Ware to roam.

Ware is your pass rusher and they guy you move around to prevent double teams.

Which is why Miller can't play here at that weight. Here he'd be a big SS as he cant play the strogsside OLB and w ehave the best weakside OLB in football.

I am not sure why people have goofy infatuations with draft picks who are far lesser than what we have. Off to read about how we really must draft a superstar tight end at 9 next I guess....

Roaming is a bit different from having Ware flip sides. That's completely normal. What Troy does with the Steelers goes way beyond that, I don't even think he knows what he's doing half the time, just playing on instinct and letting that hair fly!

 

[CATCH17]

Which would be fine except you already have Demarcus Ware to roam.

Ware is your pass rusher and they guy you move around to prevent double teams.

Which is why Miller can't play here at that weight. Here he'd be a big SS as he cant play the strogsside OLB and w ehave the best weakside OLB in football.

I am not sure why people have goofy infatuations with draft picks who are far lesser than what we have. Off to read about how we really must draft a superstar tight end at 9 next I guess....

Agree but in the past we rarely do it when you compare him to a Clay MAtthews.


The only upside I see in letting Miller be this type of player is it will take focus away from Ware if Miller is effective and lining up and doing his own thing after the ball is snapped.