ESPN's Roger Cossack says Big Ben won't be charged

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vta;3340814 said:
Give it a rest. Your job doesn't hold you to anything on your own time, and especially not hearsay, so stop expecting more from football players than everyone else. The corporation he works for is full of hypocrites, just like all corporations.

C'mon...

These guys are given countless symposiums about how to act under the microscope. They're not just like everyone else. They are advised on how to live their life as they are a focal point of society. Does that mean strap yourself to the couch? No...but there is a reason every team has a Director of Player Development. It's to help total dip****s like Ben Roethlisberger...and they're still dumb enough to go back to something they were accused of before (ala Pacman, Ricky Williams, etc.)
 

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vta;3340805 said:
Yeah, lets just shrug off that tidbit of constitutional wisdom and simply go by the hunches of people not involved with the case, in the 'court of public opinion'.

Whether the clown did it or not, he isn't charged with a crime, the league has no grounds to punish him. The leagues image is tarnished already, let's not pretend 'accusations' are making us forget the Carruth's of the league.

The league should forget about image and focus on football. Let the police and our system of law deal with criminals regardless of what they do for a living and stop pretending that their vocation matters.

The last time I checked, the NFL is a private organization and you can be punished for any violations of their regulations, regardless of what the law states. It might not be legal punishment under the justice system, but in the military we call it non-judicial or administrative punishment.

Think about it - you can get fired at work for doing something like leering at a female co-worker, showing up late, etc. But what law exists in any public code or The Constitution that says you go to jail for staring at women or being late to work? None. This isn't a dictatorship, and contrary to what many fans think, the NFL is certainly not a democracy.

For further reading, here is a snippet from an article detailing how Roger Goodell views player conduct, and an excerpt from the letters he sent to Chris Henry and Adam Jones:

"We must protect the integrity of the NFL," commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement. "The highest standards of conduct must be met by everyone in the NFL because it is a privilege to represent the NFL, not a right. These players, and all members of our league, have to make the right choices and decisions in their conduct on a consistent basis."

In a letter to each player, Goodell wrote: "Your conduct has brought embarrassment and ridicule upon yourself, your club, and the NFL, and has damaged the reputation of players throughout the league. You have put in jeopardy an otherwise promising NFL career, and have risked both your own safety and the safety of others through your off-field actions. In each of these respects, you have engaged in conduct detrimental to the NFL and failed to live up to the standards expected of NFL players. Taken as a whole, this conduct warrants significant sanction."
Source: ESPN.com Article

Based on that, you be the judge on if Roethlisberger's conduct has "brought embarrassment and ridicule" upon himself, the Pittsburgh Steelers, and the NFL, along with all of the rest of Goodell's criteria. Like it or not, the facts show that a double-standard exists.
 

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vta;3340814 said:
The corporation he works for is full of hypocrites, just like all corporations.

A timeless truth.:bow:
 

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casmith07;3340826 said:
The last time I checked, the NFL is a private organization and you can be punished for any violations of their regulations, regardless of what the law states. It might not be legal punishment under the justice system, but in the military we call it non-judicial or administrative punishment.

Think about it - you can get fired at work for doing something like leering at a female co-worker, showing up late, etc. But what law exists in any public code or The Constitution that says you go to jail for staring at women or being late to work? None. This isn't a dictatorship, and contrary to what many fans think, the NFL is certainly not a democracy.

For further reading, here is a snippet from an article detailing how Roger Goodell views player conduct, and an excerpt from the letters he sent to Chris Henry and Adam Jones:


Source: ESPN.com Article

Based on that, you be the judge on if Roethlisberger's conduct has "brought embarrassment and ridicule" upon himself, the Pittsburgh Steelers, and the NFL, along with all of the rest of Goodell's criteria. Like it or not, the facts show that a double-standard exists.

Did you really just compare Chris Henry and Adam Jones to Big Ben as proof of a double standard?
 

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Hoofbite;3340866 said:
Did you really just compare Chris Henry and Adam Jones to Big Ben as proof of a double standard?

Not the comparison of the people as individuals, but the language Goodell used as criteria to warrant a suspension, in which Adam Jones was given a year-long/indefinite suspension as comparison.

I will admit that I harbor a special kind of disdain for men that take advantage of women, so it might seem a stretch to compare them as individuals of society to you, but to me, Roethlisberger is just as easily scum.

Based on the criteria, his actions wouldn't warrant an indefinite suspension, but some sort of action should take place, even if it's only a fine.
 

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casmith07;3340869 said:
Not the comparison of the people as individuals, but the language Goodell used as criteria to warrant a suspension, in which Adam Jones was given a year-long/indefinite suspension as comparison.

Those guys were both arrested numerous times. Henry had a previous suspension under his belt for being arrested prior to his longest suspension. There's a difference here.

I will admit that I harbor a special kind of disdain for men that take advantage of women, so it might seem a stretch to compare them as individuals of society to you, but to me, Roethlisberger is just as easily scum.

Based on the criteria, his actions wouldn't warrant an indefinite suspension, but some sort of action should take place, even if it's only a fine.

What actions? He isn't being charged.

Whether or not you think he did it is irrelevant. I think he did it but it doesn't matter a single bit.
 

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When Ben was in a bar in downtown Charleston he went to the sketchiest bar with all the underage girls (O'Malleys loaded with 18 year old freshman with fake IDs). Right about his speed apparently. His lackeys were constantly going up to young girls asking them to come over to Ben's table. Doesn't surprise me at all, he is a notorious drunk and is a total ****** when you meet him in person.

We came over for an autograph and my girlfriend asked for a picture, one of his lackeys said, "Ben Roethlesburger doesn't take pictures in bars." (Hindsight is funny, because yeah he won't take pictures, but he'll sure as hell lock a young girl in a bathroom and have his way with her in a bar) She blew it off and said, "Oh well, he's ugly and fat anyway."

Bottom line. Big Ben is a Big Turd.
 

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Hoofbite;3340880 said:
Those guys were both arrested numerous times. Henry had a previous suspension under his belt for being arrested prior to his longest suspension. There's a difference here.

What actions? He isn't being charged.

Whether or not you think he did it is irrelevant. I think he did it but it doesn't matter a single bit.

First there was the motorcycle incident and now multiple accusations of sexual assault.

New England wasn't "charged" in the cheating scandal, but they still received some sort of disciplinary action from the NFL.

I think Roethlisberger's continued display of poor judgment does in fact match this: "Your conduct has brought embarrassment and ridicule upon yourself, your club, and the NFL, and has damaged the reputation of players throughout the league. You have put in jeopardy an otherwise promising NFL career, and have risked both your own safety and the safety of others through your off-field actions. In each of these respects, you have engaged in conduct detrimental to the NFL and failed to live up to the standards expected of NFL players. Taken as a whole, this conduct warrants significant sanction."

Being accused of multiple sexual assaults isn't embarrassing? It doesn't damage the reputation of players around the league? It doesn't put his NFL career in jeopardy? It doesn't risk his own safety as well as the safety of others?

If that kind of conduct is not "detrimental to the NFL" and failing to "live up to the standards expected of NFL players," then what is? Is it to be expected, then, that players can go out and be accused of whatever they want as long as no charges are filed?
 

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casmith07;3340897 said:
Being accused of multiple sexual assaults isn't embarrassing?

Being charged is yes. Being accused. No. Being accused doesn't necessarily make it so. Big difference between the 2 because being charged with a crime means there is a preponderance of evidence for the state/county/city to prosecute. The fact that they didn't choose to bring this one to court means the evidence was sketchy at best.

Hell, many accuse NFL players of juicing. That's pretty embarrassing to the league.
 

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Apollo Creed;3340896 said:
When Ben was in a bar in downtown Charleston he went to the sketchiest bar with all the underage girls (O'Malleys loaded with 18 year old freshman with fake IDs). Right about his speed apparently. His lackeys were constantly going up to young girls asking them to come over to Ben's table. Doesn't surprise me at all, he is a notorious drunk and is a total ****** when you meet him in person.

We came over for an autograph and my girlfriend asked for a picture, one of his lackeys said, "Ben Roethlesburger doesn't take pictures in bars." (Hindsight is funny, because yeah he won't take pictures, but he'll sure as hell lock a young girl in a bathroom and have his way with her in a bar) She blew it off and said, "Oh well, he's ugly and fat anyway."

Bottom line. Big Ben is a Big Turd.

Cool story.

I always thought Gentle Ben was an arrogant *****. The dude did nothing to deserve his first superbowl and probably one of the most overrated QB's in the league.
 

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Bob Sacamano;3340916 said:
Being charged is yes. Being accused. No. Being accused doesn't necessarily make it so. Big difference between the 2 because being charged with a crime means there is a preponderance of evidence for the state/county/city to prosecute. The fact that they didn't choose to bring this one to court means the evidence was sketchy at best.

Hell, many accuse NFL players of juicing. That's pretty embarrassing to the league.

He's got to be extremely embarassed. Everyone thinks he's a monster now.
 

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SLATEmosphere;3340923 said:
Cool story.

I always thought Gentle Ben was an arrogant *****. The dude did nothing to deserve his first superbowl and probably one of the most overrated QB's in the league.

Agree wholeheartedly. Can't stand him, and know quite a few Steeler fans that can't stand him either.
 

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SLATEmosphere;3340923 said:
Cool story.

I always thought Gentle Ben was an arrogant *****. The dude did nothing to deserve his first superbowl and probably one of the most overrated QB's in the league.

:clap2:


He's a pile of crap.
 

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Great story, Apollo.

Oh, and we've talked about the vid that (I think) theebs posted before we played them last where Ben was trashing Romo. I finally found what he said.

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Steelers, Cowboys feature high-profile QBs

By Scott Brown
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, December 4, 2008

Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo played in the same foursome at a celebrity golf tournament this summer at Lake Tahoe.

The two have many things in common, aside from a love of golf.

They are the faces of flagship franchises. They play for teams with rabid fans who toast and occasionally roast them. They have transcended their sport in their respective city. They have been romantically linked to other celebrities.

The similarities between the two don't end there.

"We're both kind of the risky, gunslinger-type, if you will," Roethlisberger said.

Heinz Field seems like an unlikely place for the two to stage a shootout Sunday for several reasons, not the least of which is the Steelers' propensity for turning opposing quarterbacks into punching bags. All eyes, however, will be on Roethlisberger and Romo, as the teams that have combined to win 10 Super Bowls meet for the first time since 2004.

Fortunately for the Steelers and Cowboys, neither quarterback has shown an aversion to the spotlight.

Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl before his 25th birthday, and Romo is in the process of re-writing the Cowboys' record books.

The latter has become something of a crossover star, given that he is almost as likely to pop up in the tabloids as in sports magazines. That is what happens when you date a pop singer such as Jessica Simpson -- and become as adept at dodging paparazzi as you do opposing pass rushers.

Roethlisberger is not exactly a hermit when he is away from the Steelers' South Side training facility, but even he suggested that all of the attention Romo receives might be a little suffocating.

"I don't mean this to sound rude, but he's asking for it," Roethlisberger said. "He's dating high-profile, he's doing all the stuff he wants to do. That's the life that he chooses to live off the football field, and that's his choice."

Asked if Romo has become more of a celebrity than a quarterback, Steelers safety Ryan Clark said, "I don't know. I had to stop reading US Weekly and all of that stuff. I felt kind of feminine, so I really haven't been up on it. I do know that's he's an awesome quarterback."

The numbers back up Clark's claim.

Romo leads the NFL in passer rating (103.2), has six 300-yard passing games and has thrown 21 touchdown passes (and just eight interceptions) despite missing three games with a broken pinkie.

For all of the gaudy numbers he has put up, the one thing Romo hasn't done is won enough -- or at least won when it matters.

The Cowboys are 0-2 in playoff games he has started, and one of the most successful franchises in NFL history has not won a postseason game since 1996.

Like everything else in his life, such as questions about Simpson and wide receiver Terrell Owens -- the real diva in his life -- Romo takes the Cowboys' postseason failures in stride.

"I just don't sit back and read and listen and all of that stuff, and I try not to make it bigger than it is," Romo said. "I play a game for a living. I'm pretty lucky to do that. I figure as long as you work as hard as you can, I can accept that outcome. What else are you supposed to do?"

Scott Brown can be reached at sbrown@tribweb.com or 412-481-5432.
What a loser.
 

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Bob Sacamano;3340916 said:
Hell, many accuse NFL players of juicing. That's pretty embarrassing to the league.


I would like to officially accusing you of sucking.
 

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casmith07;3340897 said:
First there was the motorcycle incident and now multiple accusations of sexual assault.

New England wasn't "charged" in the cheating scandal, but they still received some sort of disciplinary action from the NFL.

They were caught cheating. You don't see the difference?

And the motorcycle thing is stupid on his part but it doesn't reflect poorly on the league. Nobody in their right mind would look at that motorcycle accident and say:

"Jeez, what's the NFL doing for employing such terrible people. I can't believe they would employ someone who rides a motorcycle and gets into a accident"

Being accused of multiple sexual assaults isn't embarrassing? It doesn't damage the reputation of players around the league? It doesn't put his NFL career in jeopardy? It doesn't risk his own safety as well as the safety of others?

It probably is embarrassing on a personal level but I don't see how it reflects poorly on the league in any way and I especially don't see how it damages reputations of players. Maybe that's just me. Guess I just don't see ACCUSATIONS as a direct indicator of guilt, worthy of punishment.

If that kind of conduct is not "detrimental to the NFL" and failing to "live up to the standards expected of NFL players," then what is? Is it to be expected, then, that players can go out and be accused of whatever they want as long as no charges are filed?

You already know what is. Actual crimes and convictions.

Is it to be expected, then, that players can go out and be accused of whatever they want as long as no charges are filed?

Is it to be expected that any rando walking around can get a guy suspended by making an accusation?
 
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