Every Dak Sack

The switch to Columbo stopped the bleeding a bit— but losing T Fred was a huge deal and both Tyron and Martin playing hurt really diminished the whole unit’s overall effectiveness.

Dak’s flawed mechanics and footwork didn’t help either. Starting a rookie that lacks power at LG was also a factor.

Things look better for the OL all around as we head into 2019
 
It's also scheming. Our incompetent staff just calls any pass play. They never game plan and never make adjustments (see Falcons). Do you think Brady would ever get sacked so many times? The answer is no because they will game plan like they did against KC. And by god they got into the super bowl yet again off of game plan and execution. Our guys have to over come our game plan and still find a way to execute and its pathetic. I just hope Moore is more of the solution and not the same continuous problem.
 
superonyx said:
That crap should end the talk about us having the best OL in the league.

Now queue the Dak Haters club blaming the QB.

Agreed about scheme. We can’t see what’s going on downfield but Predictable routes can create coverage sacks.
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Not Dak haters Dak critics please. Dak does not read defenses well at all nor can he anticipate and throw recievers open therefore he holds the ball too long. That's not saying this years OL is great that's just evident from the film on Dak.
 
Romotil45 said:
Not Dak haters Dak critics please. Dak does not read defenses well at all nor can he anticipate and throw recievers open therefore he holds the ball too long. That's not saying this years OL is great that's just evident from the film on Dak.
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How do you know these things about Dak?
His did he end with a qb rating of 97 without the ability to read defenses?
 
Undefeated said:
It's a miracle Dak stayed healthy. Some blame can be placed on Dak, but the O line play had a huge drop off.
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I watched this whole thing and 27 of those give are take a couple is Dak's fault. can the OL improve? yes. this line was average to above average. I didn't see anything different than what other elite QBs face game to game. People make it out to be like these other QBs are standing in the pocket, reading a book, smking a cigar, and survey the field, take a nap, before they throw. make a video of Brady, or Roth or Rivers or Mahomes or anybody else.....you will see the same thing.

if you watch any other QB, you will see the sametype of pressure, same chaotic things happening around them, same thing. but people want the 2016 line, which was one of the best all time OLs in history of NFL. that's what it takes to protect Dak. Fact is its rare to get that kind of play from your OL.

What was badly evident was that he has no pocket awareness or what's going on around him. you watch some of these other elite QBs and they have this sense, take a small step up in the pocket, juke a shoulder, throw the damn ball away for Gawd's sake. I counted 10 times he spun right into a defender as he had no idea the defender was there or expected a defender to be ther, after 3 seconds....Son, this is the FL, you don't get 3 seconds. 3 seconds is an eternity.. there is also no internal clock in his head, which is a term we see QBs and coaches use. he needs to dump the ball off, at least 6 times he ran to the sideline and ran out of bounce instead of throwing the ball. that's a sack, but its a dumb sack.

I don't dismiss some of these sacks being OL breakdown and bad play by the OL....but Dak, son if you know the OL play is not up to par to give you 5 seconds per play, then you have to be smart. get rid of the ball sooner. dump it off.
 
superonyx said:
How do you know these things about Dak?
His did he end with a qb rating of 97 without the ability to read defenses?
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You can thank Linehan of all people for Daks completion percentage and QB rating. Linehan had Dak throwing the vast majority of his passes against half field reads because Dak does not read defenses well. This is evident in film study. And this was also a weakness of his in college see NFL Scouting Report Weaknesses he gets confused against more complicated schemes which he saw in college and of course that is just magnified now that hes in the NFL. This is very very problematic in year three. Notice below can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes. Also note below Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage. These two are interrelated he forces the ball into coverage because he get fooled easily by the scheme. Dak has thrown the ball right at defenders this year he has thrown at least three right at defenders that were dropped. This is all very very evident in all 22 film study.

Weaknesses
  • Inconsistency mars almost every aspect of his game, especially mechanically
  • Rocks back with a slight hitch in his delivery when putting zip on the ball
  • Can wind up with longer release when going down the field
  • Tendency to release the ball a tad early, resulting in a sailing or fluttering pass
  • Needs to vary the pace of the ball to match the situation/route (no bullets on screens)
  • Location and accuracy are generally poor, makes receivers adjust to off-target balls and minimizes yards after catch
  • Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage
  • Footwork can get sloppy, will fall off his base throwing to his left, loses accuracy/velocity
  • Doesn’t possess the heralded “power arm” that he was once rumored to have
  • Deep ball accuracy is lacking, touch passing needs a compass
  • Does not throw with anticipation, poor timing leads to late throws to all areas of the field
  • Can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes (ex. Alabama’s pattern reading)
  • Lacks accuracy and velocity when throwing on the move
  • Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner
 
Romotil45 said:
You can thank Linehan of all people for Daks completion percentage and QB rating. Linehan had Dak throwing the vast majority of his passes against half field reads because Dak does not read defenses well. This is evident in film study. And this was also a weakness of his in college see NFL Scouting Report Weaknesses he gets confused against more complicated schemes which he saw in college and of course that is just magnified now that hes in the NFL. This is very very problematic in year three. Notice below can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes. Also note below Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage. These two are interrelated he forces the ball into coverage because he get fooled easily by the scheme. Dak has thrown the ball right at defenders this year he has thrown at least three right at defenders that were dropped. This is all very very evident in all 22 film study.

Weaknesses
  • Inconsistency mars almost every aspect of his game, especially mechanically
  • Rocks back with a slight hitch in his delivery when putting zip on the ball
  • Can wind up with longer release when going down the field
  • Tendency to release the ball a tad early, resulting in a sailing or fluttering pass
  • Needs to vary the pace of the ball to match the situation/route (no bullets on screens)
  • Location and accuracy are generally poor, makes receivers adjust to off-target balls and minimizes yards after catch
  • Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage
  • Footwork can get sloppy, will fall off his base throwing to his left, loses accuracy/velocity
  • Doesn’t possess the heralded “power arm” that he was once rumored to have
  • Deep ball accuracy is lacking, touch passing needs a compass
  • Does not throw with anticipation, poor timing leads to late throws to all areas of the field
  • Can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes (ex. Alabama’s pattern reading)
  • Lacks accuracy and velocity when throwing on the move
  • Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner
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OMG...I am reading these weaknesses and these are the eact problems he has in year 3. He is surrounded by good to great talent, but he is not maximizing that talent. blame coaching, but I think the coaches also protected him knowing his lack of skills in many areas.... I don't question his heart, leaderhip, drivee. those are great. but that can only get you so far.

and this QB rating thing is so over rated.... you can dump boat load of passes to RBs and your QB rating looks awesome. you take sacks instead of throwing the ball away and it makes your rating look great.
 
Zekeats said:
It's also scheming. Our incompetent staff just calls any pass play. They never game plan and never make adjustments (see Falcons). Do you think Brady would ever get sacked so many times? The answer is no because they will game plan like they did against KC. And by god they got into the super bowl yet again off of game plan and execution. Our guys have to over come our game plan and still find a way to execute and its pathetic. I just hope Moore is more of the solution and not the same continuous problem.
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this is total hogwash, but uninformed fans on a message board who love a player and point fingers at everything else to deflect blame from their favorite player. watch the video again.... and see the flaws. If you watch a video of brady, you will see the same things, except that he steps up in the pocket. he jukes a shoulders or makes a slight adjustment by moving left or right. he senses defenders around him so he avoids sacks.... it was evident in the KC game this past week, I recall a play, the rusher was coming from behind him and his hand out to knock the ball and he just juked a shoulder down to avoid it.... its the clock in his head, saw the defender going against the OL, saw the path and timing in his head, sensed the arm and just juked and probably avoided a strip sack.........its innate ability that Dak doesn't have. Dak..Against the Saints, up 13-10, down inside the 15, defender comes from the right...his line of sight, never sees him, or senses him and gets strip sacekd...that has nothing to do with scheme, play design, coaches....that's all QB....

do I mean that I like our scheme? no. do I think it can improve? yes. but half of these clearly are Dak's fault.
 
superonyx said:
That crap should end the talk about us having the best OL in the league.

Now queue the Dak Haters club blaming the QB.

Agreed about scheme. We can’t see what’s going on downfield but Predictable routes can create coverage sacks.
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coverage sack? really.... really? I counted almost 10 sacks that he ran out of bounce, with defenders chasing him and he could have just winged the ball down field and not take the sack...smart QBs would do that.......but then again that would hurt his QB Rating....we wouldn't want that...we like to blame the OL
 
Rewatched about 5 games,and it all became a blur after awhile of the same sacks over and over. Kitna and Columbo got their work cut out.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
OMG...I am reading these weaknesses and these are the eact problems he has in year 3. He is surrounded by good to great talent, but he is not maximizing that talent. blame coaching, but I think the coaches also protected him knowing his lack of skills in many areas.... I don't question his heart, leaderhip, drivee. those are great. but that can only get you so far.

and this QB rating thing is so over rated.... you can dump boat load of passes to RBs and your QB rating looks awesome. you take sacks instead of throwing the ball away and it makes your rating look great.
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You are correct he is still the same player he was at Miss St. nothing much has changed. 1. He lacks the velocity to fit the ball into tight windows. 2. he doesn't read defenses well and lacks anticipation to throw recievers open he needs recievers to be wide open which is rare in the NFL. 3. He takes too many sacks because he doesn't read defenses well and lacks anticipation its all interrelated. 4. He also is too risk adverse he will not attack 1:1 coverage against single high safetys unless it is specifically called by Linehan prob because he lacks confidence in his ability ie doesn't read defenses well like I said all interrelated. You are also correct that his Intangables are off the charts. His leadership ability and competitiveness can not be denied. Can he learn to read defenses better ? By year three we should have seen marked improvement but we have not. Its difficult to learn to anticipate when you're not confident what defense scheme you are up against. In my honest opinion It is unlikely we will see dramatic improvement.
 
superonyx said:
How do you know these things about Dak?
His did he end with a qb rating of 97 without the ability to read defenses?
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here we go, QB rating being the mother of all measures for a QB...right? so based on this Matt Barkley is world's better than Dak because he had QB rating of 117....and Barkley is better than brees and Mahomes by a hair, because Brees was at 115....and mahomes 113...I mean carson wentz is then a better QB than Dak....his rating was 102 and so is Kirck Cousin...we should have signed Cousin...dang it...

lets not forget the QB range for NFL QBs was between 80 to about 117, which puts Dak about the middle....looking at your favorite stat....Dak was 14th,meaning 13 other QBs were better than him....all along the argument has been Dak is about average in the league.... now even QB rating show he is about average...
 
Romotil45 said:
You are correct he is still the same player he was at Miss St. nothing much has changed. 1. He lacks the velocity to fit the ball into tight windows. 2. he doesn't read defenses well and lacks anticipation to throw recievers open he needs recievers to be wide open which is rare in the NFL. 3. He takes too many sacks because he doesn't read defenses well and lacks anticipation its all interrelated. 4. He also is too risk adverse he will not attack 1:1 coverage against single high safetys unless it is specifically called by Linehan prob because he lacks confidence in his ability ie doesn't read defenses well like I said all interrelated. You are also correct that his Intangables are off the charts. His leadership ability and competitiveness can not be denied. Can he learn to read defenses better ? By year three we should have seen marked improvement but we have not. Its difficult to learn to anticipate when you're not confident what defense scheme you are up against. In my honest opinion It is unlikely we will see dramatic improvement.
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I think a lot of these issues are because of poor mechanics. if he is more consistent in his mechanics, then some of these problems will go away. I watched a video a while back of him throwing and one thing that I mentioned was that his release point was inconsistent that leads to his inaccuracy.....its funny to read that in the weaknesses list....and I am no NFL expert by any stretch of imagination....given his inaccuracies due to poor mechanic, lack of anticipation, he lacks confidence in his throws...thus makes him gun shy. That's why he has reverted to being risk averse, not making risky throws, dumping off. waiting for WRs to be wide open, another trait in long throws, he tends to over throw WRs down field, given often the CBs lag behind, so he tries instinctively to avoid turnovers...

I am looking for an article I read about him and his troubles against cover 2 defenses and a lot of defensive coordinators figured him out and often he faced a lot of Cover 2....with Cooper some of that went away, forcing defenses hand which lead to some success in the passing game. against Indy, they played cover 2, cover 3 about 90% of the game and he couldn't figure it out....I think Eberfulus(sp?), knew him and knew how to defend against him, which really helped their game plan.

I think given his intangibles, knowing the limitations, the coaches some what became conservative, again I am not dismissing the lack of scheming from coaches, but our goal was to go into 4th quarter and be close. something about Dak, somehow the light bulb goes on for him in the 4th in the close games, in pressure situations and in 2 minute offenses....something about it he likes and it helped us pull out many games. I do think Garrett had good game management and game planning over all this year, and put the team in position to win many games late....I m not comparing him to any great coaches, but NE does it a lot to. they pull out a lot of close victories in the 4th.

with this said, I am not advocating to go to a hurry up offense all game. that doesn't work as a strategy....teams have tried it over the past and only two found success. Bills and Cinci.....Bills could also line up and run conventional offense not just hurry up and they had a lot of freaking talent. Cinci made it to the superbowl but they also had a lot of talent. others have tried and failed miserably.....hurry up offense as the base for any offense doesn't work in general. lots of coaches lost their jobs as a result of it. but perhaps, for us to use it sparingly during games....
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
kind of the conclusion I came to as well. I thought about 27 give or take a couple were directly his fault.
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Id like to know how the next QB down the list did and what is an average percentage of sacks that happened as a result of QB play.

I have a feeling most sack/responsibly breakdowns are somewhat similar. Daks certainly not the only QB to cause sacks by holding the ball too long. Watching a couple of Watsons games this year I came away thinking damn and they say Dak holds the ball too long lol.
 
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