Every Dak Sack

[superonyx]

I watched this whole thing and 27 of those give are take a couple is Dak's fault. can the OL improve? yes. this line was average to above average. I didn't see anything different than what other elite QBs face game to game. People make it out to be like these other QBs are standing in the pocket, reading a book, smking a cigar, and survey the field, take a nap, before they throw. make a video of Brady, or Roth or Rivers or Mahomes or anybody else.....you will see the same thing.

if you watch any other QB, you will see the sametype of pressure, same chaotic things happening around them, same thing. but people want the 2016 line, which was one of the best all time OLs in history of NFL. that's what it takes to protect Dak. Fact is its rare to get that kind of play from your OL.

What was badly evident was that he has no pocket awareness or what's going on around him. you watch some of these other elite QBs and they have this sense, take a small step up in the pocket, juke a shoulder, throw the damn ball away for Gawd's sake. I counted 10 times he spun right into a defender as he had no idea the defender was there or expected a defender to be ther, after 3 seconds....Son, this is the FL, you don't get 3 seconds. 3 seconds is an eternity.. there is also no internal clock in his head, which is a term we see QBs and coaches use. he needs to dump the ball off, at least 6 times he ran to the sideline and ran out of bounce instead of throwing the ball. that's a sack, but its a dumb sack.

I don't dismiss some of these sacks being OL breakdown and bad play by the OL....but Dak, son if you know the OL play is not up to par to give you 5 seconds per play, then you have to be smart. get rid of the ball sooner. dump it off.

Funny I watched the same video and I can’t seem to see the WRs or anything going on downfield at all.
Is there a button I need to click to let me see these angles you see.

 

[superonyx]

coverage sack? really.... really? I counted almost 10 sacks that he ran out of bounce, with defenders chasing him and he could have just winged the ball down field and not take the sack...smart QBs would do that.......but then again that would hurt his QB Rating....we wouldn't want that...we like to blame the OL

Maybe you can find the PFF breakdown they did on sacks and who takes fault for each one.
They have teams of people paid to watch and breakdown this stuff. Read how many sacks were the fault of the OL and then come back and repeat the garbage you just typed.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The switch to Columbo stopped the bleeding a bit— but losing T Fred was a huge deal and both Tyron and Martin playing hurt really diminished the whole unit’s overall effectiveness.

Dak’s flawed mechanics and footwork didn’t help either. Starting a rookie that lacks power at LG was also a factor.

Things look better for the OL all around as we head into 2019

And that's the bottom line.

I also think the new OC will address some of that with quicker developing routes.

 

[superonyx]

You can thank Linehan of all people for Daks completion percentage and QB rating. Linehan had Dak throwing the vast majority of his passes against half field reads because Dak does not read defenses well. This is evident in film study. And this was also a weakness of his in college see NFL Scouting Report Weaknesses he gets confused against more complicated schemes which he saw in college and of course that is just magnified now that hes in the NFL. This is very very problematic in year three. Notice below can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes. Also note below Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage. These two are interrelated he forces the ball into coverage because he get fooled easily by the scheme. Dak has thrown the ball right at defenders this year he has thrown at least three right at defenders that were dropped. This is all very very evident in all 22 film study.

Weaknesses

• Inconsistency mars almost every aspect of his game, especially mechanically
• Rocks back with a slight hitch in his delivery when putting zip on the ball
• Can wind up with longer release when going down the field
• Tendency to release the ball a tad early, resulting in a sailing or fluttering pass
• Needs to vary the pace of the ball to match the situation/route (no bullets on screens)
• Location and accuracy are generally poor, makes receivers adjust to off-target balls and minimizes yards after catch
• Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage
• Footwork can get sloppy, will fall off his base throwing to his left, loses accuracy/velocity
• Doesn’t possess the heralded “power arm” that he was once rumored to have
• Deep ball accuracy is lacking, touch passing needs a compass
• Does not throw with anticipation, poor timing leads to late throws to all areas of the field
• Can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes (ex. Alabama’s pattern reading)
• Lacks accuracy and velocity when throwing on the move
• Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner

So since we are taking this cherry picked college scouting report as gospel please post the part where it says this QB has the potential to have the greatest rookie season in nfl history, or where it talks about how this QB can have a 97 qb rating and make the pro bowl 2 out of 3 seasons. Or maybe where it speaks about how this QB has the potential to win more games than any QB not named Brady ect.

We are looking at a scouting report that has already been made to look foolish. The guy was drafted in the 4th round because of the same nonsense. Yet everyone has already accepted that his draft grade was wrong and yet we still have people pretending some of it was truth.

 

[superonyx]

here we go, QB rating being the mother of all measures for a QB...right? so based on this Matt Barkley is world's better than Dak because he had QB rating of 117....and Barkley is better than brees and Mahomes by a hair, because Brees was at 115....and mahomes 113...I mean carson wentz is then a better QB than Dak....his rating was 102 and so is Kirck Cousin...we should have signed Cousin...dang it...

lets not forget the QB range for NFL QBs was between 80 to about 117, which puts Dak about the middle....looking at your favorite stat....Dak was 14th,meaning 13 other QBs were better than him....all along the argument has been Dak is about average in the league.... now even QB rating show he is about average...

Once you have to add Barkley to the conversation you already lost.
Shows your talking nonsense.
Are we also pretending Dak didn’t lead us to 14 game winning drives now? Or are we pretending he hasn’t been in the pro bowl 2 out of 3 years? Are we pretending he wasn’t Rookie of the year? Are we pretending he didn’t win his division 2 out of 3 years and just win a playoff game, and outplayed both Goff in this years playoffs and Aaron Rogers in 2016 playoffs?

Nah...none of that can matter because you read a college scouting report.
Brilliant.

 

[Undefeated]

You are correct he is still the same player he was at Miss St. nothing much has changed. 1. He lacks the velocity to fit the ball into tight windows. 2. he doesn't read defenses well and lacks anticipation to throw recievers open he needs recievers to be wide open which is rare in the NFL. 3. He takes too many sacks because he doesn't read defenses well and lacks anticipation its all interrelated. 4. He also is too risk adverse he will not attack 1:1 coverage against single high safetys unless it is specifically called by Linehan prob because he lacks confidence in his ability ie doesn't read defenses well like I said all interrelated. You are also correct that his Intangables are off the charts. His leadership ability and competitiveness can not be denied. Can he learn to read defenses better ? By year three we should have seen marked improvement but we have not. Its difficult to learn to anticipate when you're not confident what defense scheme you are up against. In my honest opinion It is unlikely we will see dramatic improvement.

He barely even took snaps under center at Mississippi St. I think he's a much better player now than in college. Yes, he still has a lot of work to do, but imo he's getting better at anticipating throws. It's still a weakness, but I see improvement. I'm confident he's going to continue to improve, but we'll have to wait and see.

 

[InTheZone]

It's a miracle Dak stayed healthy. Some blame can be placed on Dak, but the O line play had a huge drop off.

I believe he had the longest time to throw in the NFL. Please do not say SOME of the blame is on Dak.

 

[Romotil45]

I think a lot of these issues are because of poor mechanics. if he is more consistent in his mechanics, then some of these problems will go away. I watched a video a while back of him throwing and one thing that I mentioned was that his release point was inconsistent that leads to his inaccuracy.....its funny to read that in the weaknesses list....and I am no NFL expert by any stretch of imagination....given his inaccuracies due to poor mechanic, lack of anticipation, he lacks confidence in his throws...thus makes him gun shy. That's why he has reverted to being risk averse, not making risky throws, dumping off. waiting for WRs to be wide open, another trait in long throws, he tends to over throw WRs down field, given often the CBs lag behind, so he tries instinctively to avoid turnovers...

I am looking for an article I read about him and his troubles against cover 2 defenses and a lot of defensive coordinators figured him out and often he faced a lot of Cover 2....with Cooper some of that went away, forcing defenses hand which lead to some success in the passing game. against Indy, they played cover 2, cover 3 about 90% of the game and he couldn't figure it out....I think Eberfulus(sp?), knew him and knew how to defend against him, which really helped their game plan.

I think given his intangibles, knowing the limitations, the coaches some what became conservative, again I am not dismissing the lack of scheming from coaches, but our goal was to go into 4th quarter and be close. something about Dak, somehow the light bulb goes on for him in the 4th in the close games, in pressure situations and in 2 minute offenses....something about it he likes and it helped us pull out many games. I do think Garrett had good game management and game planning over all this year, and put the team in position to win many games late....I m not comparing him to any great coaches, but NE does it a lot to. they pull out a lot of close victories in the 4th.

with this said, I am not advocating to go to a hurry up offense all game. that doesn't work as a strategy....teams have tried it over the past and only two found success. Bills and Cinci.....Bills could also line up and run conventional offense not just hurry up and they had a lot of freaking talent. Cinci made it to the superbowl but they also had a lot of talent. others have tried and failed miserably.....hurry up offense as the base for any offense doesn't work in general. lots of coaches lost their jobs as a result of it. but perhaps, for us to use it sparingly during games....

Agreed I wouldn't employ hurry up ( us coaches call it 2 min offense ) as a long term strategy simply because of how this team is built. This team is built to play ball control offense and play great defense. I agree that mechanics are part of the problem. His footwork is not great but has improved some. And you are correct he has release point problems as well which is also in his NFL Scouting Report Weaknesses. Can those improve ? By year three we should have seen marked improvement in reading defenses and mechanics but we have seen little improvement. Perhaps he was lulled to sleep by his 1st season success. Perhaps he thought year two was a fluke due to Zeke being out 6 games its hard to say. Sometimes first year success can cause a player to say " I've got this " other guys say " I still have to find a way to improve ". Agreed complicated cover 2 and 3 schemes have him baffled even when he has half field reads. That's a major problem in year three.

 

[Tangle_Foot]

The switch to Columbo stopped the bleeding a bit— but losing T Fred was a huge deal and both Tyron and Martin playing hurt really diminished the whole unit’s overall effectiveness.

Dak’s flawed mechanics and footwork didn’t help either. Starting a rookie that lacks power at LG was also a factor.

Things look better for the OL all around as we head into 2019

You making it hard to blame Dak but I'll try my best anyway

The switch to Columbo stopped the bleeding a bit— but losing T Fred was a huge deal and both Tyron and Martin playing hurt really diminished the whole unit’s overall effectiveness.

Dak’s flawed mechanics and footwork didn’t help either. Starting a rookie that lacks power at LG was also a factor.

Things look better for the OL all around as we head into 2019

You making it hard to blame Dak but I'll try my best anyway

 

[Undefeated]

I believe he had the longest time to throw in the NFL. Please do not say SOME of the blame is on Dak.

Do you think all of the blame is on him? He was the 6th most pressured QB when in the pocket for 3 or less seconds.

 

[Silverstar]

These bash Dak type threads are really pathetic at this point.

The bottom line is that Dak is a "playoff winning QB" now and he even beat a SB winner in Wilson...something Romo could never do (Favre, Rogers).

He deserves a lot of credit for that win and the way he sacrificed his body running on that TD drive..and I'm going to give him that credit.

Progress to me is winning in the playoffs and always moving further towards a SB victory. So, Dak showed progress leading the team in his 3rd year as far I'm concerned.

 

[CF74]

Not Dak haters Dak critics please. Dak does not read defenses well at all nor can he anticipate and throw recievers open therefore he holds the ball too long. That's not saying this years OL is great that's just evident from the film on Dak.

It’s not that he can’t “Read Defenses,” it’s that EVERYBODY Knows Our 1990’s Scheme, so defenders just sit on our routes. He has to hope a defender slips or just has a hangover from partying the night before.

We are clearly at a disadvantage, we have zero element of surprise, we got guys that can twist ankles to get open though but again they will double our best guys at different times because they Know it’s coming, like clockwork...

This is a tired discussion, we need a change in scheme....

 

[Romotil45]

So since we are taking this cherry picked college scouting report as gospel please post the part where it says this QB has the potential to have the greatest rookie season in nfl history, or where it talks about how this QB can have a 97 qb rating and make the pro bowl 2 out of 3 seasons. Or maybe where it speaks about how this QB has the potential to win more games than any QB not named Brady ect.

We are looking at a scouting report that has already been made to look foolish. The guy was drafted in the 4th round because of the same nonsense. Yet everyone has already accepted that his draft grade was wrong and yet we still have people pretending some of it was truth.

Ok Dak

So since we are taking this cherry picked college scouting report as gospel please post the part where it says this QB has the potential to have the greatest rookie season in nfl history, or where it talks about how this QB can have a 97 qb rating and make the pro bowl 2 out of 3 seasons. Or maybe where it speaks about how this QB has the potential to win more games than any QB not named Brady ect.

We are looking at a scouting report that has already been made to look foolish. The guy was drafted in the 4th round because of the same nonsense. Yet everyone has already accepted that his draft grade was wrong and yet we still have people pretending some of it was truth.

Relax take a deeeeep breath ok. I actually love Dak that's why I am critical of him. That's what good coaches do they push good players to be great. If I came on here and blew sunshine up his backside I wouldn't be a good coach. That's what good coaches do they push players to be great by any means ness. Actually first year success might not have been the best thing for Dak. If he had struggled a little bit we might not be having this conversation about him having difficultly reading complicated cover 2 and 3 schemes. He CAN IMPROVE I believe he CAN but will he ? That's the question ?

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I watched this whole thing and 27 of those give are take a couple is Dak's fault. can the OL improve? yes. this line was average to above average. I didn't see anything different than what other elite QBs face game to game. People make it out to be like these other QBs are standing in the pocket, reading a book, smking a cigar, and survey the field, take a nap, before they throw. make a video of Brady, or Roth or Rivers or Mahomes or anybody else.....you will see the same thing.

if you watch any other QB, you will see the sametype of pressure, same chaotic things happening around them, same thing. but people want the 2016 line, which was one of the best all time OLs in history of NFL. that's what it takes to protect Dak. Fact is its rare to get that kind of play from your OL.

What was badly evident was that he has no pocket awareness or what's going on around him. you watch some of these other elite QBs and they have this sense, take a small step up in the pocket, juke a shoulder, throw the damn ball away for Gawd's sake. I counted 10 times he spun right into a defender as he had no idea the defender was there or expected a defender to be ther, after 3 seconds....Son, this is the FL, you don't get 3 seconds. 3 seconds is an eternity.. there is also no internal clock in his head, which is a term we see QBs and coaches use. he needs to dump the ball off, at least 6 times he ran to the sideline and ran out of bounce instead of throwing the ball. that's a sack, but its a dumb sack.

I don't dismiss some of these sacks being OL breakdown and bad play by the OL....but Dak, son if you know the OL play is not up to par to give you 5 seconds per play, then you have to be smart. get rid of the ball sooner. dump it off.

What's interesting is you admit less than half are not Dak's fault but spends 95% of your post addressing only his issues. My point is everyone, coaches, OL, injuries, and Dak was part of the problem.

 

[erod]

He reads nothing. Defense is Mandarin Chinese to him

 

[Hawkeye0202]

It’s not that he can’t “Read Defenses,” it’s that EVERYBODY Knows Our 1990’s Scheme, so defenders just sit on our routes. He has to hope a defender slips or just has a hangover from partying the night before.

We are clearly at a disadvantage, we have zero element of surprise, we got guys that can twist ankles to get open though but again they will double our best guys at different times because they Know it’s coming, like clockwork...

This is a tired discussion, we need a change in scheme....

Louder.........Cooper noticed it within games of being on the team. Also, wonder if firing Linehan had anything to do with it. Just asking.......

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Like a "Deer in the Headlights" Dak Panic time again and again Sack after Sack after Sack..... and trust me this won't change no matter who coaches Tim...opps I meant Dak... Just another one of his major QB flaws....Accuracy anyone????

 

[Risen Star]

It's also scheming. Our incompetent staff just calls any pass play. They never game plan and never make adjustments (see Falcons). Do you think Brady would ever get sacked so many times? The answer is no because they will game plan like they did against KC. And by god they got into the super bowl yet again off of game plan and execution. Our guys have to over come our game plan and still find a way to execute and its pathetic. I just hope Moore is more of the solution and not the same continuous problem.

TEH SCHEME!!

No, Brady wouldn't get sacked like that because Brady's a real QB.

 

[CF74]

Louder.........Cooper noticed it within games of being on the team. Also, wonder if firing Linehan had anything to do with it. Just asking.......

It’s telling that Kellen survived and Lineham got the axe.. See ya, thanks for getting my foot in the door.. Leapfrog

 

[InTheZone]

Do you think all of the blame is on him? He was the 6th most pressured QB when in the pocket for 3 or less seconds.

I did not suggest ALL the blame