Every pro mock says Amukamara? Like we'd be lucky?

[DFWJC]

Seriously? Nobody picks him before us and if they do thank the football Gods.

How the hell is nobody talking about Marcell Dareus?

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:laugh2: Calm down ....people LOVE Dareus.
You're right, that kid (man) can play.

It seems to me that EVERYBODY is talking about Dareus and they all think he will be gone before we pick.

I just pulled up 5 straight Mocks that had him no lower than 8th and usually in the top 6.

New NFL Draft
Dareus #1 overall
(Jordan was 23rrd by the way)

New Sport Draft
Dareus 3rd
(Jordan 17th)

NE Patriot Draft
Dareus 6th
(Jordan 9th)

Draft Season
Dareus 8th
Jordan 16th

Football Overdrive
Dareus 6th
Jordan 16th


So see....the man is not at all being overlooked.

Deep breaths.....Rake

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If we can't get Peterson or Fairley then call it what you want. Just get me Marcell Dareus.

I see no way we get Fairley...not saying anything is possible but very unlikely.

IF we can not get Peterson or possibly Quinn (who I still have worries about) then I say trade down a few spots to get some extra picks and get a good OT.

Marcell is not on my radar and I would not be happy if we got him. I would not be happy with a 3-4 DE at nine.

 

[JBS]

If we can't get Peterson or Fairley then call it what you want. Just get me Marcell Dareus.

Don't say this if you don't mean this..

Smith >>>>>> Dareus...bigger need too..

 

[AKATheRake]

:laugh2: Calm down ....people LOVE Dareus.
You're right, that kid (man) can play.

It seems to me that EVERYBODY is talking about Dareus and they all think he will be gone before we pick.

I just pulled up 5 straight Mocks that had him no lower than 8th and usually in the top 6.

New NFL Draft
Dareus #1 overall
(Jordan was 23rrd by the way)

New Sport Draft
Dareus 3rd
(Jordan 17th)

NE Patriot Draft
Dareus 6th
(Jordan 9th)

Draft Season
Dareus 8th
Jordan 16th

Football Overdrive
Dareus 6th
Jordan 16th


So see....the man is not at all being overlooked.

Deep breaths.....Rake

Hahaha! Alright my man. I'm calm now :laugh2:

I don't know about first overall but I hope we get him, Peterson or Fairley.

I don't see him on any of these guys mock wish lists in the draft zone. But I see Jordan. Talking about the guy like he's the next coming. LOL!

Or they want to risk a top 10 pick on a guy who, albeit talented and I like, has not played in a full season due to suspension and would be a tweener for us in Quinn. When we already have 2 first rounders on the outside.

Oh, they also want to grab a player who weighs 285 pounds to play RT with the 9th overall pick. I don't care what his potential is. We have a shot at a polished player with lots of room still to grow at a position of need.

 

[AKATheRake]

I see no way we get Fairley...not saying anything is possible but very unlikely.

IF we can not get Peterson or possibly Quinn (who I still have worries about) then I say trade down a few spots to get some extra picks and get a good OT.

Marcell is not on my radar and I would not be happy if we got him. I would not be happy with a 3-4 DE at nine.

You're right about probably not getting a shot at Fairley and the same goes for Peterson. Said it in an earlier post.

If we're going to stay at #9 the elite talent is on the d-line and corner.

If it has to be an OT than I agree, we must trade down.

If I could get Carimi, Solder or Smith and be able to move that 2nd up enough to get Wilkerson I wouldn't be opposed to that.

Then we would have to move Ratliff to DE which is less of a possibility than more.

But if we do stay at 9 and Fairley and Peterson are gone, which they should be, I want Dareus.

Quinn hasn't played all season and he'd need developing moving to a 3-4 OLB. Better off getting Miller but better off not going the OLB route with our first rounder to begin with.

We can get a RT in FA since there are some decent one probably to be available. We can get a heck of a guard in the 2nd for sure possibly a RT like Carimi if we have to move up a bit with the 2nd.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Hahaha! Alright my man. I'm calm now :laugh2:

I don't know about first overall but I hope we get him, Peterson or Fairley.

I don't see him on any of these guys mock wish lists in the draft zone. But I see Jordan. Talking about the guy like he's the next coming. LOL!

Or they want to risk a top 10 pick on a guy who, albeit talented and I like, has not played in a full season due to suspension and would be a tweener for us in Quinn. When we already have 2 first rounders on the outside.

Oh, they also want to grab a player who weighs 285 pounds to play RT with the 9th overall pick. I don't care what his potential is. We have a shot at a polished player with lots of room still to grow at a position of need.

Quinn would not be a tweener...he would eventually beat out Spencer due to his pass rushing abilities. You want to create havoc in the backfield with Dareus? A tag team of Ware and Quinn would create more than Dareus ever would.

Also...who is this 285 pound RT to are talking about? If it is the OT from USC he is 307 not 285.

This team needs another OT more than it needs another 3-4 DE.

It needs more in the DB corp then it needs at 3-4 DE.

Heck you can trade down some, pick up some more picks and still get a good 3-4 DE in this draft.

 

[DFWJC]

Hahaha! Alright my man. I'm calm now :laugh2:

I don't know about first overall but I hope we get him, Peterson or Fairley.

I don't see him on any of these guys mock wish lists in the draft zone. But I see Jordan. Talking about the guy like he's the next coming. LOL!

Or they want to risk a top 10 pick on a guy who, albeit talented and I like, has not played in a full season due to suspension and would be a tweener for us in Quinn. When we already have 2 first rounders on the outside.

Oh, they also want to grab a player who weighs 285 pounds to play RT with the 9th overall pick. I don't care what his potential is. We have a shot at a polished player with lots of room still to grow at a position of need.

:laugh2: That what I'm talkin' about.

Here are 5 more just for grins.

Football Fan Spot
Dareus 9th to DALLAS
Jordan 17th

Draft Zoo
Dareus 6th
Dallas takes Solder..too high, imo
Jordan 13th

Your NFL Draft
Dareus 3rd
Dallas gets Quinn...sweet..so we disagree on Quinn, I guess.
Jordan 20th

Inside the Eagles
Dareus 4th
Dallas gets Von Miller (i'd take that too)
Jordan 21st

Sports News SW
Dareus 7th
Dallas takes Solder
Jordan 4th...wow (1st one to put him before us)

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You're right about probably not getting a shot at Fairley and the same goes for Peterson. Said it in an earlier post.

If we're going to stay at #9 the elite talent is on the d-line and corner.

If it has to be an OT than I agree, we must trade down.

If I could get Carimi, Solder or Smith and be able to move that 2nd up enough to get Wilkerson I wouldn't be opposed to that.

Then we would have to move Ratliff to DE which is less of a possibility than more.

But if we do stay at 9 and Fairley and Peterson are gone, which they should be, I want Dareus.

Quinn hasn't played all season and he'd need developing moving to a 3-4 OLB. Better off getting Miller but better off not going the OLB route with our first rounder to begin with.

We can get a RT in FA since there are some decent one probably to be available. We can get a heck of a guard in the 2nd for sure possibly a guy like Carimi if we have to move up a bit with the 2nd.

Chances are Fairley, Peterson and Dareus will not be there. I actually don't think Quinn would be there either once he blows people away at the combine. Add Von Miller being gone. So there goes the top 3-4 DEs, Top DB and Top OLBs gone.

I think the only player we move up for is Peterson.

That leaves Cam Jordan and JJ Watts at 3-4 DE. Prince at DB and your choice of OTs as probably the best available players at 9.

And you need to get it in your head, whether you like it or not, that the Cowboys really like the OT from USC. Does not mean they will take him but they do have some real interest in him.

 

[AKATheRake]

Don't say this if you don't mean this..

Smith >>>>>> Dareus...bigger need too..

There's not a doubt in my mind that Dareus is a better prospect than Tyron Smith.

Dareus would dust Smith and the guy he'd need to double team Dareus.

Both lines are a huge need right now and I doubt we re-sign Spears.

The DE's in FA do not offer the overall level of talent this draft can.

The OL in FA do offer a good level of RT talent when looking at this underwhelming tackle class.

I rather have Tyson Clabo over any of the tackles in this draft. Then I'd get a top notch guard or center in the 2nd.

That takes care of the o-line for the most part.

We got Olshansky signed till next year and that's it at DE. That guy needs to go as it is.

I can live with our corners if we can get some serious safety help and theirs some nice players there in FA. Plus if our pass rush improves, which it would with better penetration from the front 3, the coverages will also.

 

[AKATheRake]

Chances are Fairley, Peterson and Dareus will not be there. I actually don't think Quinn would be there either once he blows people away at the combine. Add Von Miller being gone. So there goes the top 3-4 DEs, Top DB and Top OLBs gone.

I think the only player we move up for is Peterson.

That leaves Cam Jordan and JJ Watts at 3-4 DE. Prince at DB and your choice of OTs as probably the best available players at 9.

And you need to get it in your head, whether you like it or not, that the Cowboys really like the OT from USC. Does not mean they will take him but they do have some real interest in him.

I know they have interest in Tyron Smith. Never said they do. But if this monster is available our defense will just be so much better.

We have no one to play DE right now and you want to move a 1st rounder who is 1 season removed from playing excellent to the bench? For a guy I do like and think can become a very good player but would need to be developed his first year because going to OLB from a 4-3 DE is a transition.

The guy has never had to cover and is a season removed from playing. Nah, not for a top 10 pick. I'm sorry.

I do agree we'd have serious pressure with Quinn alongside Ware but o-lines are wearing us down because our d-line is not physical enough, nor is it collapsing the pocket to give our blitzers the opportunity to hit the QB.

Getting Quinn would be redundant.

I do understand the need for OL and the possibility of moving down to increase our 2nd and 3rd rounders values.

I just don't see how Dareus doesn't come up as a player we're interested in for our team?

This is an underwhelming tackle class and we don't have a great history of using high picks on OL.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I know they have interest in Tyron Smith. Never said they do. But if this monster is available our defense will just be so much better.

We have no one to play DE right now and you want to move a 1st rounder who is 1 season removed from playing excellent to the bench? For a guy I do like and think can become a very good player but would need to be developed his first year because going to OLB from a 4-3 DE is a transition.

The guy has never had to cover and is a season removed from playing. Nah, not for a top 10 pick. I'm sorry.

I do agree we'd have serious pressure with Quinn alongside Ware but o-lines are wearing us down because our d-line is not physical enough, nor is it collapsing the pocket to give our blitzers the opportunity to hit the QB.

Getting Quinn would be redundant.

I do understand the need for OL and the possibility of moving down to increase our 2nd and 3rd rounders values.

I just don't see how Dareus doesn't come up as a player we're interested in for our team?

This is an underwhelming tackle class and we don't have a great history of using high picks on OL.

You seem to be under some thought that Dareus will be sitting there for us. I just don't see it.

And if Jerry and crew trade up to get him...I might fly to valley ranch and smack the wrinkles and liver spots off of his face and tell the pilot to drop a boeing bomb on your house in route.

 

[AKATheRake]

You seem to be under some thought that Dareus will be sitting there for us. I just don't see it.

And if Jerry and crew trade up to get him...I might fly to valley ranch and smack the wrinkles and liver spots off of his face and tell the pilot to drop a boeing bomb on your house in route.

I don't want to trade up for Dareus. I do think he may be there for us at 9. Especially because of 2 QB's, Quinn and Miller probably going into the top 10.

I would trade up 2-4 spots for Peterson though and only him. I rather have Dareus than Fairley.

Fairley and Peterson will be gone before 9 obviously.

I rather grab a guard or Carimi in the early 2nd or late first.

Get a FA OL to boot since we don't have a history of grabbing OL in the first and this is an underwhelming class.

If you are right about Peterson, all the DL and OLB's being gone I move out of the top 10 in a heart beat. I agree.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I must confess, Amukamara is the one guy I don't get very riled up over. I remember Goose saying when you talk to NFL General Managers elite cornerback is often the most difficult positions to grade because there's just not much tape of them. They get a reputation as being all -everything, and then college offenses just decide to stay away from them and don't even test them. Especially with so many spread offenses in college, who have no shortage of alternative routes to go through. He talked to one NFL General Manager who said he was scared to take Carlos Rogers with a Top 10 pick, because there was only a handfull of plays his entire senior year where teams even tested him. He and the Commanders found out it's a different story in the NFL. Really, the only things I know for sure about Amukamara is he doesn't make many big plays, and when he squared off against an elite NFL starting caliber WR in Blackmon, he was beaten like a drum.

 

[AKATheRake]

I must confess, Amukamara is the one guy I don't get very riled up over. I remember Goose saying when you talk to NFL General Managers elite cornerback is often the most difficult positions to grade because there's just not much tape of them. They get a reputation as being all -everything, and then college offenses just decide to stay away from them and don't even test them. Especially with so many spread offenses in college, who have no shortage of alternative routes to go through. He talked to one NFL General Manager who said he was scared to take Carlos Rogers with a Top 10 pick, because there was only a handfull of plays his entire senior year where teams even tested him. He and the Commanders found out it's a different story in the NFL. Really, the only things I know for sure about Amukamara is he doesn't make many big plays, and when he squared off against an elite NFL starting caliber WR in Blackmon, he was beaten like a drum.

Exactly what I know about him. Mayock thinks it was just a 1 game breakdown.

Mayock said 1 play was a jump ball, another a trick play and another some interference that should have been called or something.

He says not to buy that game against Blackmon but Amukamara looked totally out classed and he'll see those types of WR's and situations all over the NFL.

 

[Woods]

Exactly what I know about him. Mayock thinks it was just a 1 game breakdown.

Mayock said 1 play was a jump ball, another a trick play and another some interference that should have been called or something.

He says not to buy that game against Blackmon but Amukamara looked totally out classed and he'll see those types of WR's and situations all over the NFL.

Someone did post the video of Prince versus Blackmon in that game. One play was a trick play, in fact.

But what makes me nervous about Prince are the reports that he lacks that "second gear" when WRs tput a double move on him or get behind him. Other than that, he seems to be technically sound (from what I've read).

The problem is that in the NFL, and NFC East especially, with guys like Jackson, Maclin, etc. a CB does need that 2nd gear. Again, this is all from what I've been reading . . . . so take it with a big grain of salt.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

The frog posing as a prince is overrated... I do not want him at 9. Give me either Von Miller or Robert Quinn.

 

[AKATheRake]

The frog posing as a prince is overrated... I do not want him at 9. Give me either Von Miller or Robert Quinn.

I don't want an OLB with our first pick though. Lol!

 

[AKATheRake]

Someone did post the video of Prince versus Blackmon in that game. One play was a trick play, in fact.

But what makes me nervous about Prince are the reports that he lacks that "second gear" when WRs tput a double move on him or get behind him. Other than that, he seems to be technically sound (from what I've read).

The problem is that in the NFL, and NFC East especially, with guys like Jackson, Maclin, etc. a CB does need that 2nd gear. Again, this is all from what I've been reading . . . . so take it with a big grain of salt.

Nah, I'll take it very seriously and that's what I know of him also. I'm pretty sure I put the video up of him getting beat up on by Blackmon. Was a week or so ago.

He is technically sound but can't out jump or out run his competition. Think the guy would be a better safety et al.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I can take a guy who doesn't make any turnovers as a CB as long as he's shutting down his guy in man to man coverage. I'd like someone with a little better instincts for the ball than a safety.