Every pro mock says Amukamara? Like we'd be lucky?

[JBS]

...Then you're not doing a lot of looking around.

Care to share?

 

[AKATheRake]

All mocks that show him before our Pick...yet he gets no love and you don't see mocks showing him before our pick...

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/draft2011.php - Listed at 8

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock - Listed at 3

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2011/02/22/2011-nfl-mock-draft-2-1-grading-the-picks/?sem=1&ncid=AOLSPR00170000000009&s_kwcid=TC|10781|2011%20NFL%20mock%20draft||S|b|7122196520 - Listed at 5

http://newnfldraft.com/ - Listed at 1

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php - Listed at 3

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/nflmockdraft.html - Listed at 6



Actually of the draft sites I quickly pulled up on a simple google search I went through 5 before I found one that did not show him going before our pick.

Take two and call me in the morning.

:laugh2: Ok, I took 2.

Only the CBS one is of people who are in the business and would be considered of professional knowledge. Not to say they know football because they are journalists but at least we know who they are and make a living off this stuff.

That was one of my points.

The others are all over the place and half of them have us taking Prince.

Any threads or Mocks here other than me and the one made yesterday from Rotoworld taking Dareus with our #9 or saying he goes before us?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

:laugh2: Ok, I took 2.

Only the CBS one is of people who are in the business and would be considered of professional knowledge. Not to say they know football because they are journalists but at least we know who they are and make a living off this stuff.

That was one of my points.

The others are all over the place and half of them have us taking Prince.

Any threads or Mocks here other than me and the one made yesterday from Rotoworld taking Dareus with our #9 or saying he goes before us?

Quit moving goal posts.

I provided links to draft sites that have him going anywhere from 8 all the way up to number one overall.

So you can laugh and move goal posts all you want but you are wrong.

Here is another...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-mock-draft-post-senior-bowl-012911 - listed at 3

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...a-pick-by-pick-critique-of-latest-mock/page/9 - Mel Kiper lists at 8

It's ok to be wrong, it's ok to admit you are wrong...in this case you are wrong.

 

[AKATheRake]

Quit moving goal posts.

I provided links to draft sites that have him going anywhere from 8 all the way up to number one overall.

So you can laugh and move goal posts all you want but you are wrong.

Here is another...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-mock-draft-post-senior-bowl-012911 - listed at 3

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...a-pick-by-pick-critique-of-latest-mock/page/9 - Mel Kiper lists at 8

It's ok to be wrong, it's ok to admit you are wrong...in this case you are wrong.

Noooo... It's not okay to admit being wrong. Noooo..... just kidding bro. :laugh2:

Is that the Kipper mock that has us taking Amukamara? Like half of them out there?

Don't know if I'm wrong or right but I don't see many posters at the zone wanting Dareus. That's why I ask where is the love. Not moving goal posts

Some will say because the guy is seen as a top 5 pick well there's all kinds of love for Peterson, which I got much for also. Peterson is considered a top 3 prospect but he's included in most of the mocks done here.

If not Peterson, I see Cam Jordan or Robert Quinn who is considered in the top 10 like Dareus.

I also see trade down for Tyron Smith or Gabe Carimi.

So I guess I'm dreaming. I've asked an unfair question.

So sowwy. Apparently there is all this Marcell Dareus love for our pick.

I do however appreciate all of the resourceful links provided in this discussion. Your point is valid but neither are wrong imho.

 

[baj1dallas]

I live in SEC territory and watched every alabama game the last 3 years. Dareus is just another Spears.
When Spears was at LSU he was a force and always in the back field.
3-4 DE is not worth a top 10 pick. You can get a good 3-4 DE later in round 1 -round 3. Look at all the 3-4 DE in the NFL, how many are dominate.

I completely disagree with that. Dareus was both a bigger and better player than Spears was. Spears was not "a force and always in the back field".

 

[baj1dallas]

Well then you have not looked hard enough. Seriously.

I mean even in this thread alone it seems you are the only one arguing the point while others are telling you he is viewed as going before our pick therefore he must be good yet you are still arguing he does not get enough love.

It truly is bizarre.

That's it. I think we need a drug test.

The argument seems to be that Dareus is similar to Spears because they both played in the SEC, which is an utterly ridiculous contention of course. You can't judge Dareus on Spears, you have to judge him on his own merits and realize that they're different players.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I completely disagree with that. Dareus was both a bigger and better player than Spears was. Spears was not "a force and always in the back field".

Different players, different teams, different times.

However stats wise...Spears last year is superior to Marcell Dareus last year, in the backfield.

Marcell Tackles for loss 11
Marcus tackles for loss 17

Marcell Sacks 4.5
Marcus sacks 9

Marcell QB pressure/hurries 10
Marcus QB pressure/hurries 21

Just saying

 

[AKATheRake]

I completely disagree with that. Dareus was both a bigger and better player than Spears was. Spears was not "a force and always in the back field".

The argument seems to be that Dareus is similar to Spears because they both played in the SEC, which is an utterly ridiculous contention of course. You can't judge Dareus on Spears, you have to judge him on his own merits and realize that they're different players.

I obviously see it the same way you do regarding Dareus. If he's there at #9 do you take him?

 

[supercowboy8]

I completely disagree with that. Dareus was both a bigger and better player than Spears was. Spears was not "a force and always in the back field".

yes he was in his college days at LSU. Bill wanted Spears at 11 over Ware. Spears was suppose to be a top 10 pick but fell for reasons we all see. Dareus has those same reasons as to why he will fall. Dareus is dominate at times but usually on vs small OL and bad teams. Against NFL caliber OL he got owned. Dareus is not worth a top 10 pick.
No 3-4 DE is worth a top 10 pick, they just don't make a big enough difference in a game.
The 3-4 DE is suppose to take on blocks and free up lanes for LB and stuff the running lanes. You can find those players later in the draft. Top 10 is to early for a 3-4 DE and if Dareus is picked top 10 by a 3-4 team then he will be considered a bust much like many consider Spears.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Noooo... It's not okay to admit being wrong. Noooo..... just kidding bro. :laugh2:

Is that the Kipper mock that has us taking Amukamara? Like half of them out there?

Don't know if I'm wrong or right but I don't see many posters at the zone wanting Dareus. That's why I ask where is the love. Not moving goal posts

Some will say because the guy is seen as a top 5 pick well there's all kinds of love for Peterson, which I got much for also. Peterson is considered a top 3 prospect but he's included in most of the mocks done here.

If not Peterson, I see Cam Jordan or Robert Quinn who is considered in the top 10 like Dareus.

I also see trade down for Tyron Smith or Gabe Carimi.

So I guess I'm dreaming. I've asked an unfair question.

So sowwy. Apparently there is all this Marcell Dareus love for our pick.

I do however appreciate all of the resourceful links provided in this discussion. Your point is valid but neither are wrong imho.

Another thing I don't think you are considering...

Most draft guys think that Dallas needs more help at DB and Oline than at DE in a 3-4 scheme.

Some might agree that AJ Green is the best WR and complain because nobody has us taking Green...well the same argument would hold...he will probably be taken before us and most have us taking DB or Olinemen instead of a WR.

 

[supercowboy8]

Different players, different teams, different times.

However stats wise...Spears last year is superior to Marcell Dareus last year, in the backfield.

Marcell Tackles for loss 11
Marcus tackles for loss 17

Marcell Sacks 4.5
Marcus sacks 9

Marcell QB pressure/hurries 10
Marcus QB pressure/hurries 21

Just saying

Thanks for posting the stats, I was just about to look them up. According to these stats Spears was even better. Sorry to all you Dareus fans because A. your Bama fans or B. you don't watch football and just listen to scouts from websites. But take it from a guy who saw every snap Dareus played in the last 3 years. He is nothing more than another Spears, IMO I don't even think he will be that good.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Thanks for posting the stats, I was just about to look them up. According to these stats Spears was even better. Sorry to all you Dareus fans because A. your Bama fans or B. you don't watch football and just listen to scouts from websites. But take it from a guy who saw every snap Dareus played in the last 3 years. He is nothing more than another Spears, IMO I don't even think he will be that good.

Well I don't know how he will be in the pros and all of that.

However to try and say that spears was nothing in college and this guy is way better is bull.

In college spears was a darn good player for LSU.

I don't know if their memory is short or they are just trying to say and do anything to pimp Marcell.

In one sentence they are saying you can't compare the two and in the next they are saying he is far superior.


Personally I don't want any of the 3-4 DEs taken with the 9th pick. I don't care to take a 3-4 DE with a pick that high because the majority of them will not get you sacks. Most of the time they are regulated to stopping the run and engaging blockers for the OLBs to get in there and create the sacks and pressure.

I don't have the time nor the desire to look it up. But I have to wonder how many times in the last 5-10 years a 3-4 DE has racked up double digit sacks. I doubt it is very often.

Add to that the idea that this team needs DB (whether CB or S) help and O-Line help...it is no wonder many are not picking this guy as the pick for Dallas.

 

[AKATheRake]

Another thing I don't think you are considering...

Most draft guys think that Dallas needs more help at DB and Oline than at DE in a 3-4 scheme.

Some might agree that AJ Green is the best WR and complain because nobody has us taking Green...well the same argument would hold...he will probably be taken before us and most have us taking DB or Olinemen instead of a WR.

They are probably right. However we only have 1 of our 4 DE's signed for the upcoming season and none past that.

As well, this draft class' strongest talent is at the d-line and cb positions.

That's why my short list is Peterson, Fairley and Dareus. I do not think we get either Peterson or Fairley unless we are willing to move up 3 to 4 spots.

Unless we get 2 QB's, Robert Quinn and/or Von Miller going top 10.

So the d-line is a bigger need than is being suggested and the talent is there for a top 10 pick.

Thus why I feel it is a very realistic and viable pick for us.

Regarding O-line, that's why I stated we would get better value in the 2nd to take care of those problems.

If we don't get a shot at Peterson there are more quality FA's in the secondary than DE.

I think a player like Deunta Williams in the 3rd is a good selection but I doubt we can get Aaron Williams from Texas in the 2nd by the time the draft comes around.

So if we don't get Peterson I doubt we get anyone in the secondary until round 3 if Deunta Williams is around and we don't use that pick to move up.

I think when you get a shot at a top 10 pick you don't move out unless the guy you really want is falling to 12 the most and you have a trade partner there that can give you something to help you move you 2nd rounder closer to the first again and get another starting caliber player.

 

[AKATheRake]

Well I don't know how he will be in the pros and all of that.

However to try and say that spears was nothing in college and this guy is way better is bull.

In college spears was a darn good player for LSU.

I don't know if their memory is short or they are just trying to say and do anything to pimp Marcell.

In one sentence they are saying you can't compare the two and in the next they are saying he is far superior.


Personally I don't want any of the 3-4 DEs taken with the 9th pick. I don't care to take a 3-4 DE with a pick that high because the majority of them will not get you sacks. Most of the time they are regulated to stopping the run and engaging blockers for the OLBs to get in there and create the sacks and pressure.

I don't have the time nor the desire to look it up. But I have to wonder how many times in the last 5-10 years a 3-4 DE has racked up double digit sacks. I doubt it is very often.

Add to that the idea that this team needs DB (whether CB or S) help and O-Line help...it is no wonder many are not picking this guy as the pick for Dallas.

You had Marcus Spears college stats up vs Marcell Dareus'. Please keep in mind Dareus is coming at as a junior at age 21 and Marcus Spears played 1 more season in college up to his Senior year.

I don't think Spears is a bad player and have not dissed his game one bit. But Dareus is the more talented player coming out of college and certainly a much better pass rusher than Spears.

You are very correct in saying 3-4 DE's rarely rack up double digit sacks and the closest one to being good at that would be Richard Seymour in the past decade.

What's important is the level of disruption from a 3-4 DE and Dareus has that ability far more apparent than Spears ever did.

I'm hearing guys here say that Dareus got beaten up by the larger, better quality tackles? Where's the footage and examples? Which tackles?

When you got a guy who can constantly reak havoc in the backfield and if not always doubled will get to the ball carrier or QB like Dareus does it makes those OLB's in the 3-4 who are supposed to get the double digit sacks that much more superior.

We are not physical enough on our d-line.

Dareus is very nasty and he can play all position on the d-line with great disruption.

Marcus Spears does not have his versatility nor level of talent.

If you guys check a post in this thread where I have almost 10 quick links on his play you will see that disruption during 2 bowl games.

He reaks havoc in the backfield constantly regardless of double teams.

He did miss 2 games this season also due to taking some money from an agent.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You really have a severe case of man love.

I guess the pills are not going to help.

Continue to rant about wrong things and be happy with it I guess. :laugh2:

 

[AKATheRake]

You really have a severe case of man love.

I guess the pills are not going to help.

Continue to rant about wrong things and be happy with it I guess. :laugh2:

If we can't get Peterson or Fairley then call it what you want. Just get me Marcell Dareus.

 

[ChooChoo73]

Dareus is my preference and by far. He was dominant against the best conference with the best talent and in the biggest games. He is both stout and nasty. He has the size to rotate with the nose and has great intensity.

 

[JBS]

If we can't get Peterson or Fairley then call it what you want. Just get me Marcell Dareus.

Your love for Fairley is even more unwarranted than your love for Dareus..and that's saying A LOT

Fairley in a 3-4 = epic fail

 

[AKATheRake]

Your love for Fairley is even more unwarranted than your love for Dareus..and that's saying A LOT

Fairley in a 3-4 = epic fail

No, I rather have Dareus. Said it in posts throughout this thread.

Epic fail is having so much love for a guy who weighs 285 lbs and wanting to take him with the 9th overall pick to play RT for us.

Especially when your o-line coach is Hudson Houck and your running game is non existant.

He's gonna have to put on at least 20 pounds to play right tackle and has better feet to play LT anyways. Still, this ain't 20 year olds he's playing.

These beasts will throw that kid around like a rag doll. He's all potential and nothing but.

Dareus is as pro ready as it gets.

Ohh and regarding Fairley playing in a 3-4 he has no issue according to him. Read here.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/24/nick-fairley-says-hell-play-anywhere-in-any-defense/

 

[AKATheRake]

Dareus is my preference and by far. He was dominant against the best conference with the best talent and in the biggest games. He is both stout and nasty. He has the size to rotate with the nose and has great intensity.

Couldn't have said it better myself. As pro ready as any prospect in the draft and is only 21.

Played against the best talent in college football. Dominated it too.

But these guys say things and they know nothing of the player.

You give them footage where the guy clearly takes over big games and still nothing clicks.

This guy and Jay Ratliff would give us 1 of the best d-lines in football.