CFZ Excited about the new plans at RB

[Cowboyny]

i wouldn't be surprised if McClay did a re-do of drafting a RB in the mid-rounds ..4th round, ala as they did with Pollard.
But I don't at all see drafting multiple RBs in the same draft ..unless it's a 7th round/special teams oriented developmental project guy.

Frankly i don't recall " Meat on da Bone " John Randle seeing the field behind Murray, as we flat out bell cow pounded Murray into the ground (typical Garrett.. !! )
i thought it was the injured prone Lance Dunbar. What a colossus mistake for us to bypass the NFL draft and promote Randle as the featured guy (post-Murray, pre-ZKE)

Randall was used like Pollard early in his career. A series or two to keep Zeke fresh and on teams. If they tag Pollard, u would think he is the main back, they will need someone to take a few series as well. Could see them waiting to 4th rd depending who is available

 

[CowboyRoy]

I’m excited that we are likely to have a new, improved different approach than what we had under Kellen Moore.
Excited that it will new offensive minds at hand in McCarthy and Schottenheimer for the RBs, .

One of my pet peeve with Kellen was his limitation as far as the RBs were concerned. Seems like Kellen hated RB screens. He did not have
the patience with them, did not try to develop them, and make them a legit weapon vs defenses.

As a result, Kellen actually helped the opposing defense.
Never caught them off guard as such... Never making them pay for blitzing and over-pursuit.
Defenses did not have to worry about RBs hurting them in pass game. We resorted to mere dump offs safety valve – if even that.

- The Pollard wheel route TD vs Vikes was one of the rare exceptions this year.

- What I do worry is if McCarthy ..( or the Jones?) is they feel we need the Thunder and Lightning approach- instead of having two Splash RBs.

Would our club imagine i(insist?) that we have to have:
- Mark Ingram – Alvin Kamara
- Marion Barber – Felix Jones
- A.J. Dillion/ Aaron Jones

- As a thought and result, we'd be working a reduced contract to keep Zeke Elliott, ..instead of moving on to a splash RB.

Moore's biggest blunder as OC was letting Pollard rot on the bench as a side not for 3.5 years while he ran the horrid Zeke. Zeke is what limited the offense.

And dont be so sure that the RB room wont be EXACTLY what we had last year. Odds are that they will bring back Zeke and tag Pollard.


Best thing the Cowboys could do for this team is move on from both backs. Draft a young stud in rounds 2-4 and sign some quality backs cheap in FA.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Pollard is not the answer at RB as a full time starter.

Who cares about a full time starter? Thats old school. YOu want big play efficient backs that can score from anywhere on the field.

The days of your hero lumbering to 60 yards on 20 carries is almost gone. I know your dreaming of him ruining our run game once again, but 99% of the fan base want his sorry butt outta Dallas.

Looks like the rest of the board finally caught onto what CowboyRoy knew 4 years ago.

 

[lkelly]

Moore lost me when he said we did not run wide because defenses were too fast.
I am like, what?

 

[CWR]

Zeke may be ok with a pay cut, but his agents may not be, as it cuts into their fees.

I think Zeke would happily accept a pay cut in most cases. The way its being made out though this isn't a mere cut, but an all out slashing of his salary. If that is the case I'd expect Zekes pride to step in.

 

[Captain-Crash]

"get that money Zeke" isn't this how it works dakgobblers?

 

[Chuck 54]

If Pollard were to be injured,.. where would our Splash plays then come from ?

The 2016 zeke would be zoom- gone in a blink of an eye...whether run play or RB screen... but this version lumbers and sometimes so slow it's painful to watch.
I'm not batching ZKE, but game tape shows it.
Where he comes up big is goal line ... when he runs low and hard, with that tremendous lower leg drive power- plus he has a knack for the goal line. Very difficult to stop.

But if its' not the goal line,..

And, frankly, I see Zeke getting stuffed much more often than Pollard. Zeke is the Power guy, but every time I think Pollard is taking a 3-4 yard loss, he gets 3-4 positive yards. He can slither through the smallest cracks and seems a natural at finding them.

I‘m in favor of making Pollard the primary ball carrier. Pair him with another speedy, breakaway runner with good reception skills. Maybe add a real FB if that’s what Mike wants.

 

[john van brocklin]

Hahaha

 

[TequilaCowboy]

I’m excited that we are likely to have a new, improved different approach than what we had under Kellen Moore.
Excited that it will new offensive minds at hand in McCarthy and Schottenheimer for the RBs, .

One of my pet peeve with Kellen was his limitation as far as the RBs were concerned. Seems like Kellen hated RB screens. He did not have
the patience with them, did not try to develop them, and make them a legit weapon vs defenses.

As a result, Kellen actually helped the opposing defense.
Never caught them off guard as such... Never making them pay for blitzing and over-pursuit.
Defenses did not have to worry about RBs hurting them in pass game. We resorted to mere dump offs safety valve – if even that.

- The Pollard wheel route TD vs Vikes was one of the rare exceptions this year.

- What I do worry is if McCarthy ..( or the Jones?) is they feel we need the Thunder and Lightning approach- instead of having two Splash RBs.

Would our club imagine i(insist?) that we have to have:
- Mark Ingram – Alvin Kamara
- Marion Barber – Felix Jones
- A.J. Dillion/ Aaron Jones

- As a thought and result, we'd be working a reduced contract to keep Zeke Elliott, ..instead of moving on to a splash RB.

Premature exultation can be a terrible thing.. LOL, let's not count our chickens before they are hatched, raised (organically of course), and sold at the Farmers Market for ridiculously high prices. But i understood and agree with your point, with the exception of keeping Zeke around....no way Jose, ....will only stifle the running game again.

 

[TX_Yid]

When i hear Jerry go interview as "..Zeke shows up more than just Stats " ... that alone gives me concerns for pause that we maybe aiming to keep ZKE around, for the sake of
favors and good ole buddy pats on the back, locker room charisma.

- I've seen it happen with DE Tyrone Crawford the last two useless years when he was being knocked all over the ground.
But we still gave him near 18 million dollars.

Unless he is talking about his blocking and his nose for the endzone on short yardage.

I'm not a fan of keeping Zeke, but he does both of those things very well still, and it doesn't show up in stats.

 

[LatinMind]

When i hear Jerry go interview as "..Zeke shows up more than just Stats " ... that alone gives me concerns for pause that we maybe aiming to keep ZKE around, for the sake of
favors and good ole buddy pats on the back, locker room charisma.

- I've seen it happen with DE Tyrone Crawford the last two useless years when he was being knocked all over the ground.
But we still gave him near 18 million dollars.

Further from the truth. Word is Jerry is rethinking this and might just release him instead of insult him.

 

[Cmac]

....No mention of improving the OL one bit in this thread?.......they do go hand in hand with the running game, unless you're stuck on Madden or more frustrated about fantasy points.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Moore lost me when he said we did not run wide because defenses were too fast.
I am like, what?

Yes my the time Zeke gets outside all of kids will have grand children

 

[GMO415]

I'll be more excited when 21's gone.

 

[quickccc]

Further from the truth. Word is Jerry is rethinking this and might just release him instead of insult him.

Purely speculation right now - even with Broaddus ..

 

[Cowboys5217]

There is a absolutely no reason to keep Zeke around which is precisely the reason why this FO will keep him on the roster.

Most everybody that is paying attention here knows that the move to make is to cut Zeke. Therefor Jerry is more likely to sign him just to spite the fans and media that are all stating the obvious at this point.

 

[quickccc]

....No mention of improving the OL one bit in this thread?.......they do go hand in hand with the running game, unless you're stuck on Madden or more frustrated about fantasy points.

It's not about just the Run Game ... it's the totality of the RBs .. what the coaches plan, scheme-design and how they will develop and utilize the RBs .
..in Both run and pass game.

- And speaking of OL ? .... that's where a hopeful much better RB screen game comes in...

- That will be new coaching and the OL tools they will have handy, as i believe we have athleticism to factor in getting out on screens
(like what we used to in the old 2016/2017 Zeke days)

- Kellen Moore seemed like he hated RB screens and never tried to develop it as a weapon,.

 

[Sydla]

There is a absolutely no reason to keep Zeke around which is precisely the reason why this FO will keep him on the roster.

Pretty much.

That being said for one year, if they wanted as much cap space as possible at the start of FA, him agreeing to a massive pay cut would give them the most flexibility. They only save $4.9 million as a straight cut. $10.9 million as a June 1 cut but they'd have to carry his full cap hit until then.

I'd prefer they cut him but if they get him to take a ridiculous pay cut, it's not a terrible idea. Granted, I can't see him taking such a massive cap hit to make this palatable.

 

[quickccc]

Unless he is talking about his blocking and his nose for the end zone on short yardage.

I'm not a fan of keeping Zeke, but he does both of those things very well still, and it doesn't show up in stats.

but if pollard is somehow hurt and out of games .. Zeke's minuses out-weight those " stats that don't show up "

What happens when Zeke is Not at the goal line ? ... or when we need far more than just a mere 2 to 3 yard run ?

When he cannot get to the seams and cracks in the OL, in & out of the holes ? .. or if he is lumbering laboring in his struggle to get to the edge ?

 

[quickccc]

Pretty much.

That being said for one year, if they wanted as much cap space as possible at the start of FA, him agreeing to a massive pay cut would give them the most flexibility. They only save $4.9 million as a straight cut. $10.9 million as a June 1 cut but they'd have to carry his full cap hit until then.

I'd prefer they cut him but if they get him to take a ridiculous pay cut, it's not a terrible idea. Granted, I can't see him taking such a massive cap hit to make this palatable.

He will still limit your offense.
Unless you're set on making this No.2 backup more of a Frank Gore type role, where he's strictly an angry grunt runner. .

A Mark Ingram or AJ Dillion type ? " Thunder and Lighting " role set for both backs ?