Experienced 3-4 Def Coord?

[Jimz31]

Get rid of Zimmer.....when the Defense was our ONLY highlight this entire season.

I've never been sold on Zimmer, but MAN, Payton is getting such a pass.

Where is the GROP group?

 

[Cbz40]

All I know is in my profession if I am not performing to a level that produces positive results I will be held accountable; therefore if a strategies isn't are not working
I had sure better change those strategies mucho quick or I will pay the piper.

So shoot me if I critisize, second guess, or disagree w/ Mr Parcells........why should he be immune from accountability for the product he puts on the field every weeK?

Mr Parcells said himself "You are what you are"......Well Bill as head coach you are 0ne game over 500 in three years.......In my book thats mediocrity.......if the strategy isn't working......either change it or re-think your pedagogics.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Bob Stoops would make a good defensive coach.

 

[Mash]

Things wont change as long as Parcells is running the show....I think he has both hands in deep running this defense. It is what it is....I think you may see a little more next year as the young'in learn....but don't expect a Patriot...Steelers...etc attacking style of defense.

Its a bend but don't break defense....we need to have our front 4 (w/ Ware rushing) to apply pressure....LT was a difference maker for the Giants and one of the greatest pass rushers in our time....we can only hope Ware is half as good.

 

[ManicDepressiveMan]

Anyone got any GROZ banners for the sig line?

 

[BoysFanInAustin]

All I know is in my profession if I am not performing to a level that produces positive results I will be held accountable; therefore if a strategies isn't are not working
I had sure better change those strategies mucho quick or I will pay the piper.

So shoot me if I critisize, second guess, or disagree w/ Mr Parcells........why should he be immune from accountability for the product he puts on the field every weeK?

Mr Parcells said himself "You are what you are"......Well Bill as head coach you are 0ne game over 500 in three years.......In my book thats mediocrity.......if the strategy isn't working......either change it or re-think your pedagogics.

If you're gonna label Parcells as a "mediocre" or "overrated" coach because of barely being above .500, then what would you call Jimmy Johnson's record after 3 seasons? He was 19-29.

 

[Cbz40]

If you're gonna label Parcells as a "mediocre" or "overrated" coach because of barely being above .500, then what would you call Jimmy Johnson's record after 3 seasons? He was 19-29.

That's easy!!!!!The same.......I do not discriminate.

But!!!, When Jimma turned it around he turned around.

BP will have the same opportunity.

 

[kingwhicker]

He just went to Temple to rebuild their program to boot.

No he didn't- that was Al Golden, the UVA DC.

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleg...12/06/temple_names_golden_new_football_coach/

 

[KingTuna]

Okay, since I'm now officially on the GROZ bandwagon..

What college or pro candidates are out there that have been successful 3-4 Defensive Coordinators? Of course by successful, I mean a coach that knows how to bring the pressure from different spots and knows how to train the players we have to develop new ways of protecting against the run and also getting to the quarterback. I'm getting tired to this diluted vanilla approach

Dom Capers will be available next year...Has coached the 3-4 for YEARS...

 

[joseephuss]

If you're gonna label Parcells as a "mediocre" or "overrated" coach because of barely being above .500, then what would you call Jimmy Johnson's record after 3 seasons? He was 19-29.

Let us see how the rest of the year finishes out. Right now Dallas is stumbling with the playoffs in reach. Jimmy's third year team was on a winning streak that got a wildcard berth and a road playoff win. All that with the back up QB. The record may be worse, but Jimmy accomplished more. But that was a different situation.

Like I said, wait until the season ends and see how it ends. And then look at the potential for next season. I remember being very optimistic after that season. I thought if Dallas did some good tweaking they could make a Superbowl run. They did some amazing tweaking. Getting Kevin Smith in the draft and then bringing in Thomas Everett and Charles Haley. And then add in all the contributors they picked up like Darren Woodson. If the season were to end right now, I would say that the current team needs more tweaking than that 91 team. I hope it can be done.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

This defense has been very good for almost the entire year. They got killed by KC (who doesn't) and ran into a buzzsaw at Washington, which wasn't helped by the offense stinking up the joint. There was a point where the defense faced top 5 offenses almost every week and shut each one of them down.

When looking at D-Coordinators, I ask myself the following:

1. How well did the defense perform overall?

Overall they've been above average. However, up until the past couple of weeks they were a top 5 defense.

2. Did they improve or regress from the season before?

Improved dramatically.

3. What were some issues they had to overcome?

Weak at free safety. A lot of rookies playing important roles on the defense. Injuries to the starting CB, ILB, and OLB.

4. Pass Rush?

Currently have the same amount of sacks as last year, but there's two games left. Adjusted sack ratio improved dramatically, going from 24th and 26th in 2002 & 2003 to 4th overall this year.

5. Players developed?

Significant improvement from Bradie James and Terence Newman. Good improvement from Jacques Reeves. Good looking rookie play from Ratliff, Canty, Spears, Ware. Pepper Johnson looked good against Washington, but can't be decided until he plays more.

6. Players regressed or disappointing?

Glover has slightly regressed. Still not a bad player by any means. Burnett has been slightly disappointing, but there are some factors for that.

7. Free Agent play?

Pile - serviceable.
Fujita - Overall, serviceable. Been a bit up and down.
Henry - Great until injured.
Aaron Glenn - Played very well this year. Excellent #3 CB.
Ferguson - Very solid.

Other FA's have been there mostly for depth and special teams (i.e. Carver, Barrow, etc.)

8. Weaknesses?

Pass rush has been anemic for stretches after the bye week. Run defense is a bit inconsistent. Need better FS play and more consistent play from the strong side backers, Shanle and Fujita. Rookies seem to be wearing down a bit.

9. Weaknesses from last year and how have they been this year?

Stamina - Been pretty good for the most part this year. They are slightly wearing down now, but they wore down every game last season.

FS - Slightly better, but still needs a lot of work.

Pass Rush - Better, still needs some work. Still need to get better at disguising blitzes.

Tackling - Solid improvement from last season.

CB play - Roughly a 180 degree turnaround.


10. Glaring mistakes made this year?

Outside of the first Washington game with the defensive playcalls, none that I can really recall.

11. How hard or easy will it be to correct their deficiencies?

LB - Moderately difficult. Typically LB's have less value in FA and the draft. They do have Kalen Thornton and Al Singleton coming back and Burnett should be much improved. Fujita should get better with a season of the 3-4 under his belt. Main priority should be to find an ILB to replace Dat Nguyen. Then look for better LOLB play to compliment Ware (who should also be better next season).

FS - They've protected against it, but they should be getting better production given the CB play and the improved pass rush. Free safeties typically have very low value in the draft and FA.

NG - Need to find a Nose Guard for the future with Glover and Ferguson being 31 years old. Pepper Johnson seems to have a bright future, but nose guard play is extremely important in the 3-4.


Overall: Zimmer earned another year with this team. Given the overhaul that was made and the rookies needed to do it, the defense has made a magnificent turnaround and did it with injuries. Plus, players generally got better or in the case of the rookies, played pretty well or much better than expected. Also note this is a very young defense. With Spears and Canty having started lately, they've got 10 defensive starters 28 years old or younger. That also doesn't include Pile, Pepper Johnson, Burnett, and Ratliff.

Rich..........

 

[31WillHammerU]

Dom Capers will be available next year...Has coached the 3-4 for YEARS...

Capers was with Coughlin in Jacksonville. Consequently, Tim Lewis will be strongly considered for a HC position after this season. If he leaves, Capers is the logical fit in New York, unless Bill decides to stick it to Coughlin and snag Capers.

Capers would be a great fit here.

 

[joseephuss]

Houston has one of the worst defenses in the league. They were also very bad last season. Why is this being ignored when evaluating Dom Capers? I just don't see how this guy is considered a great defensive coordinator.

 

[31WillHammerU]

Houston has one of the worst defenses in the league. They were also very bad last season. Why is this being ignored when evaluating Dom Capers? I just don't see how this guy is considered a great defensive coordinator.

You have to consider the body of work. What did he do in Carolina? What did he do in Jacksonville? Houston has been a Trainwreck from top to bottom. Not just the defense. It's funny, his defense made us look pretty bad.

 

[joseephuss]

You have to consider the body of work. What did he do in Carolina? What did he do in Jacksonville? Houston has been a Trainwreck from top to bottom. Not just the defense. It's funny, his defense made us look pretty bad.

I wouldn't use that 2002 Cowboys offense as a standard. Every team stopped that offense.

Jacksonville and Carolina were good defenses when he was there. They were not great dominate defenses.

 

[31WillHammerU]

I wouldn't use that 2002 Cowboys offense as a standard. Every team stopped that offense.

Jacksonville and Carolina were good defenses when he was there. They were not great dominate defenses.

Carolina was one game away form the SB. Jacksonville beat Denver with Elway at QB.

 

[joseephuss]

Carolina was one game away form the SB. Jacksonville beat Denver with Elway at QB.

That was the same season. He wasn't coaching on both teams at the same time. And what does that matter? I said they were good defenses, but they weren't the great, dominant defenses that everyone wants. People think of the Bears and Ravens or the Steel Curtain and of course Doomsday. No one says, "Hey remember the Panters?" Capers is not some dramatic upgrade at defensive coordinator. You just can't ignore his years in Houston. He is just average and I don't think he is any better than Zimmer. And that is the point. I am for keeping Zimmer unless Dallas can bring someone in that will make the defensive unit top notch. Capers won't.

 

[Wolverine]

Okay, since I'm now officially on the GROZ bandwagon..

What college or pro candidates are out there that have been successful 3-4 Defensive Coordinators? Of course by successful, I mean a coach that knows how to bring the pressure from different spots and knows how to train the players we have to develop new ways of protecting against the run and also getting to the quarterback. I'm getting tired to this diluted vanilla approach

It is sweet to see more people seeing how Mike Zimmer really does suck. No matter what players we bring in on D it will always be the same thing. Anyone but Zimmer.......please!

the diluted approach, from Tuna's mouth, is due to all the rookies and new system. it's all they can digest.

has nothing to do with Zimmer or any other coordinator.

What a nice EXCUSE you have. Someone might actually believe it if our defense was getting better and our pass rush was getting better. But no....its all getting worse.