Explain this to me

[hornitosmonster]

The Eagles will not have a good Defense.

They have a weak front and linebacker core. Great Corners and weak safety. Guess where the action will be, on the corners and secondary. That is not what you want if expect to have a dominating defense. On top of that all we get an unproven defense coordinator with no one on the staff to help him out because none of them are good on the defensive side of the ball.

DRC in the slot covering tight ends. :laugh2:

 

[hornitosmonster]

Because as it turns out the commissioner helped influence Mike Vick to go to the Eagles instead of Buffalo or Cincy. It is only natural that his network do everything they can to promote the Eagles in order to give that same commissioner the success story he was looking for.

If he promoted the Eagles over Buffalo or Ciny it is because of Andy Reid being a strong personality and being clean cut because of his religion (Mormon).

 

[Stautner]

If he promoted the Eagles over Buffalo or Ciny it is because of Andy Reid being a strong personality and being clean cut because of his religion (Mormon).

Even so, what does this have to do with promoting a guy from O-line coach to D-Coordinator?

 

[hornitosmonster]

Even so, what does this have to do with promoting a guy from O-line coach to D-Coordinator?

responded why Vick went to the Eagles. Not because he would make the Eagles better but because Reid and Edwards would guide him.

It has nothing to do with the current poor decisions of the Eagles (Only strength is the CB). I guess they want the action down the field.

 

[Stautner]

Because everything they do is over hyped right now and some times success is as much about perception as it is about actual success. Especially where marketing is concerned.

So it made sense to move a guy from O-line coach to D-Coordinator because everything about the Eagles is overhyped because Roger Goodell conspired to get Vick on the Eagles 2 years ago?

Okay, I'm clear now.

 

[Hoofbite]

Even so, what does this have to do with promoting a guy from O-line coach to D-Coordinator?

Yeah, that's a hell of a game of "connect the dots" he's got going on.

 

[Joe Realist]

Huh? First, what possible interest does Goodell have in promoting the Eagles, and second, even if that is true how does the Eagles promoting a guy from offensive line coach to D-Coordinator accomplish this?

Vick is Goodell's pet project. As reported in PFT, he did want Vick to go to the Eagles versus Buffalo or Cincinnati. As I said last year, a relative who had dinner with some NFL folks stated Goodell was rooting for Vick to do well and get the Super Bowl. He may get his wish this year of he may get Vick pulled apart like a wishbone...

 

[Doomsday]

So it made sense to move a guy from O-line coach to D-Coordinator because everything about the Eagles is overhyped because Roger Goodell conspired to get Vick on the Eagles 2 years ago?

Okay, I'm clear now.

"The nflnetwork seems to think this is a no brainer"

It is not really hard to connect the dots of the original post. I am saying it doesnt matter what they do right now, the NLFN is going to say it was the right move. They are this seasons all hype team, and their QB is sponsored by Goddell so in his words he can get a win. If you think ESPN, NFLN etc dont have control of the message being put out by their stations you are naive.

 

[Doomsday101]

Looks like we will get a good look at Philly tonight as Reid has said the starters will play the 1st half vs Pitt.

 

[Stautner]

"The nflnetwork seems to think this is a no brainer"

It is not really hard to connect the dots of the original post. I am saying it doesnt matter what they do right now, the NLFN is going to say it was the right move. They are this seasons all hype team, and their QB is sponsored by Goddell so in his words he can get a win. If you dont think ESPN, NFLN etc dont have control of the message being put out by their stations you are naive.

Okay, lets see if I have it now. Roger Goodell conspired to get Vick on the Eagles 2 years ago, therefore the NFL Network is now, 2 years later, going out of it's way to support the commissioners blatant bias toward the Eagles by hyping the Eagles and every move they make regardless of whether it may eventually make them look stupid for doing so, and despite the fact that hyping the Eagles in no way actually helps the Eagles win anything?

It's coming more and more into focus ...

 

[Doomsday]

Okay, lets see if I have it now. Because Roger Goodell conspired to get Vick on the Eagles 2 years ago, the NFL Network is now, 2 years later, going out of it's way to support the commissioners blatant bias toward the Eagles by hyping the Eagles and every move they make regardless of whether it may eventually make them look stupid for doing so, and despite the fact that hyping the Eagles in no way actually helps the Eagles win anything?

It's coming more and more into focus ...

Its not like hyping the Eagles is a new thing.

Secondly, marketing isnt about winning, as a Cowboy fans Jerry should of taught you that lesson a long time ago.

Goddell said he wanted a "success story", you really think he isnt going to advertise that success story as much as he can, once he has it?

 

[skinsscalper]

FWIW, the Eagles defense looked pretty decent last week. They were flying to the ball and playing with some attitude. It's just a pre-season game and I refuse to read too much into it, but they looked pretty decent. It was a little depressing after watching our 1st team D let the Broncos waltz down to the 1 yard line.

Like i said, it was pres-season (for both teams), but the Eagles' unit was a bit more impressive than our own in both effort and assignment.

:donthear:

 

[Stautner]

Vick is Goodell's pet project. As reported in PFT, he did want Vick to go to the Eagles versus Buffalo or Cincinnati. As I said last year, a relative who had dinner with some NFL folks stated Goodell was rooting for Vick to do well and get the Super Bowl. He may get his wish this year of he may get Vick pulled apart like a wishbone...

Again, even if he did want Vick to go to the Eagles I don't see the connection with the O-line coach being promoted to D-Coordinator.

 

[Stautner]

Its not like hyping the Eagles is a new thing.

Secondly, marketing isnt about winning, as a Cowboy fans Jerry should of taught you that lesson a long time ago.

Goddell said he wanted a "success story", you really think he isnt going to advertise that success story as much as he can, once he has it?

Any way, obviously you dont see the connection so why bother to continue the conversation? You just out to show how stupid my comment is in your mind? If you are trying to convince me it isnt working.

Neither is hyping the Cowboys. Or trashing the Cowboys. If you are going to be a high profile team it goes with the territory and isn't necessarily the result of a conspiracy involving the NFL Commissioner.

You think the Eagles are selling more merchandise because some guys on the NFL Network liked the move of Castillo from O-line Coach to D-Coordinator? As for the Vick success story - why wouldn't Goodell want that, and how does hyping things involved with the Eagles that are completely unrelated to Michael Vick accomplish that?

Sorry, but this is pretty darn shakey.

 

[Doomsday]

Neither is hyping the Cowboys. Or trashing the Cowboys. If you are going to be a high profile team it goes with the territory and isn't necessarily the result of a conspiracy involving the NFL Commissioner.

You think the Eagles are selling more merchandise because some guys on the NFL Network liked the move of Castillo from O-line Coach to D-Coordinator? As for the Vick success story - why wouldn't Goodell want that, and how does hyping things involved with the Eagles that are completely unrelated to Michael Vick accomplish that?

Sorry, but this is pretty darn shakey.

I think the NFLN has gotten a ton of good press over Vick the last 2 seasons and they are selling a lot more jerseys then they would of had he gone to Buffalo.

 

[Stautner]

I think the NFLN has gotten a ton of good press over Vick the last 2 seasons and they are selling a lot more jerseys then they would of had he gone to Buffalo.

I would imagine that's true. Not sure how that is helped by supporting Castillo as D-coordinator though. Regardless of the NFLN agreeing with the new D-Coordinator, an internal coaching move involving someone the overwhelming majority of NFL fans didn't know existed isn't a big moneymaking opportunity.

 

[Hoofbite]

I think the NFLN has gotten a ton of good press over Vick the last 2 seasons and they are selling a lot more jerseys then they would of had he gone to Buffalo.

Because Buffalo sucks.

You get any worn down fan base who hasn't seen a competitive team in years and sales will be down.

In the grand scheme of the NFL, the difference in jersey sales between currently Philly Vick and hypothetical Buffalo Vick isn't going to bring some sort of plethora of newfound money.

This whole conspiracy theory of Roger wanting Vick to succeed, for whatever reason, is completely dependent on one variable that nobody but Vick has control over. His play.

It doesn't matter if he played for Philly, Frisco, Cincinatti or any other team if he doesn't play well it all goes to hell in a hand basket.

I just can't take this sort of leap of faith. Can't believe that Roger had some grandiose to place Vick on a pedestal when the whole thing hinges on Vick developing as a player much further than he had at any other time in his career, something I didn't think he could do but as of thus far has.

 

[sonnyboy]

Yeah, I agree with this. I don't think he will struggle at all. Most good coaches learn what to do for every position, but some focus in one area. There will be bumps in the road, there always are. But chances are he will still get out of his players what he always did. Sometimes we as fans focus too hard on what guys do and pigeonhole them there.

Look at Paul Pasqualoni here. How many different positions did he coach here, 2 or 3? Then became DC to end last year.

Totally different situation Hos and not that unusual at all. Plenty of position coach's change positions and even switch from offense to defense to special teams.

But I know of no NFL position coach moving to Coordinator on the other side of the ball in any given year. Had Castillo moved from OL to DL or LB coach two years ago when Johnson died, then I could buy him ascending to DC this season.

I'm not saying Castillo can't pull it off or won't. And if he does or doesn't really isn't the point. The point as I see it is that Reid and the eagle franchise is getting far too much "benefit of the doubt" on this move.

It's as if Reid and this franchise can do no wrong. Well if Reid wants it, it must be the right move. What people forget is how cheap this franchise is. I don't care how many FA's they just signed. All those were done with cap dollars. And the only reason they had those cap dollars was via past frugality.

When it comes to spending non cap dollars on coaching and or other areas to help improve the product on the field, forget about it.

Here's how I see the Castillo move to DC. It was an opportunity for Lurie to save a buck. Laurie didn't want to bring in a known and certainly more expensive quantity at DC. Especially with the looming lock out.

Of course our owner had no problem dishing out significant cash to get us the best DC we could get. So lets keep something as simple as this in mind the next time we want to bash Jerry.

 

[Doomsday]

Because Buffalo sucks.

You get any worn down fan base who hasn't seen a competitive team in years and sales will be down.

In the grand scheme of the NFL, the difference in jersey sales between currently Philly Vick and hypothetical Buffalo Vick isn't going to bring some sort of plethora of newfound money.

This whole conspiracy theory of Roger wanting Vick to succeed, for whatever reason, is completely dependent on one variable that nobody but Vick has control over. His play.

It doesn't matter if he played for Philly, Frisco, Cincinatti or any other team if he doesn't play well it all goes to hell in a hand basket.

I just can't take this sort of leap of faith. Can't believe that Roger had some grandiose to place Vick on a pedestal when the whole thing hinges on Vick developing as a player much further than he had at any other time in his career, something I didn't think he could do but as of thus far has.

You make some really valid points, maybe I am reaching a bit on the hype machine.

I guess the bottom line for me is I find it disturbing that the commissioner has any input to a FA about where he should sign.

I suppose one could argue that there were special circumstances around this move but in the end he is still just a high profile FA and should be left alone to make that decision on his own. It is hard enough for a team like Buffalo to sign big name FAs without having to fight the commissioner's influence as well.

 

[Yeagermeister]

It worked so well for Buddy Ryan when he was hired in Az so why not. :laugh1: