Explain to me how that wasn't a 'football move' **Bryant Reversed Call Thread**

[cwbysone]

Not sure if anyone has seen this vine. I found it on a Patriots news site of all places. It show the ball doesn't come loose because of the ground but only after he rolls over and the ball is about a foot off of the ground.

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[superonyx]

The guys on the NFL network covered it pretty good. His third foot down was used to lunge at the end zone and his hand stretched out for the end zone. So the only real debate is if the NFL officials are going to be brazen and insulting enough to the sport to try and sell us on this not being a football move.

 

[TimHortons]

Without a doubt the most asinine part of it all.

Out of curiosity, did Terrance Williams perform a "football move" at any point during his catch-and-run TD today? Because I honestly don't know anymore.

Going by the theory that taking 3 steps then stretching the ball out doesn't constitute a football move, Williams could've caught it, ran 99 yards, fallen, ball pops out, and it's an incomplete catch.

It's a complete farce.

 

[Kaiser]

Without a doubt the most asinine part of it all.

Out of curiosity, did Terrance Williams perform a "football move" at any point during his catch-and-run TD today? Because I honestly don't know anymore.

Kind of explains the Ray Rice situation as well. Three steps, a right hook, a "football move" is whatever they want it to be.

 

[percyhoward]

Not sure if anyone has seen this vine. I found it on a Patriots news site of all places. It show the ball doesn't come loose because of the ground but only after he rolls over and the ball is about a foot off of the ground.

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Pretty good shot of Shields' trip that saved the TD. He completely takes out Dez's right leg, sending him straight down. Field judge watches the whole thing and rules it a catch and down by contact.

 

[Staubacher]

So do the refs screw over GB next week to atone?

 

[HappyOnions]

Shouldn't have come down to that play to begin with. I said it after Detroit and I'll say it now after this game.

Too many blown opportunities throughout the course of this game.

 

[EPL0c0]

The problem is determining when is a "catch" a catch. When is the "process" complete? To what degree of completion must a catch be to be called a catch? contact, 3 steps, 2 knees, 2 elbows was not enough in this case...

 

[greatwallofdallas]

If the tables were turned. That catch would be on sports science right now. The whole world would be talking about how the NFLs golden boy Rodges got robbed etc.... But since it's the Cowboys, end of story.....

 

[percyhoward]

The problem is determining when is a "catch" a catch. When is the "process" complete? To what degree of completion must a catch be to be called a catch? contact, 3 steps, 2 knees, 2 elbows was not enough in this case...

I think if he's falling down on his own with no contact being made (the official version of the play) than you could say it's important to keep an eye on the ball in his hands all the way until and after he hits the ground.

But if he catches it, gets two feet down, and then gets tackled (as actually happened), you should probably go with the play as called. The reversal was based on a review that either ignored the contact by the defender, or assumed Dez would have fallen right then anyway.

 

[cajuncocoa]

No home cooking in the DFW media....this comes from CBS/DFW (CBS11 in Dallas)

Replays showed that Bryant bobbled the ball as he rolled into the end zone, with part of it touching the field. After reviewing the play, officials overturned the call, saying Bryant didn’t maintain control all the way to the ground.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/01/11/why-dezs-catch-wasnt-a-catch/

 

[Nova]

The ball hits the ground, but that view shows you just how much control Bryant had by reaching out. If there was any doubt that he had the ball, there is none after that view. He clearly has the ball secured and while lunging, he clearly reaches his arm forward with the ball. Football move.

 

[TheIceman]

Disagree, he wasnt falling until the feet tangle, you can see his lounge with the left foot as the dirt that flies, and the reach at the last second.

Cool. You're free to do so, but the word everyone seems to miss is process of the catch....the ball is initially caught then control is lost for a moment as Dez puts his first steps on the ground then as Dez starts to go to the ground control is regained towards his body and then as he falls to the ground the ball hits the ground and pops loose. Looking at the WHOLE process, control is not maintained throughout and more importantly at the point of contact with the ground. Don't get me wrong IT'S A DUMB RULE. But as the rule is applied in today's NFL, it was the right call.

 

[links18]

Not sure if anyone has seen this vine. I found it on a Patriots news site of all places. It show the ball doesn't come loose because of the ground but only after he rolls over and the ball is about a foot off of the ground.

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Been saying that since it happened. He didn't even need to make a football move.

 

[Floatyworm]

I know this thread will go to 100 pages but I think I've missed one point in here. If the review has to be "clear and incontravertable" to change the ruling on the field, how does the league claim this was so clear cut that the ruling on the field HAD to be overturned?

Exactly......

Replay failed miserably here. Not only getting the call on the field wrong. But the process of undisputable evidence to overturn a call being wrong as well.

If instant replay isn't gonna get the calls correct. Get rid of it. There are just too many rules now that are subjet to biased interpretation.

 

[cajuncocoa]

So do the refs screw over GB next week to atone?

Quite possibly. I think they want Seattle and NE in the Super Bowl.

 

[jmac]

go the the 2:40 mark and tell me the diffrence

 

[HoustonSucks]

I think that pigs will be flying and that hell is actually Lambeau field b/c my Texans friends just told me they thought we were hosed. I told them we didn't lose because of one bad call but they were weirdly sympathetic albeit happy at the same time.... the world might be ending soon.

 

[Floatyworm]

No Discount Doublecheck?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000456759/Did-Dez-catch-it

The Y Factor.......

 

[Beast_from_East]

You guys seemed surprised the refs screwed us..............................I said after the game last week that there was no way in hell the refs were going to let us leave Lambeau with a W and that the refs might as well be wearing Packer jerseys.

Even made a thread asking if others were concerned about "payback officiating".

Dam, I hate being right all the time.