Face it, our secondary is awful

[5Stars]

Does it make it better when you say that?

Reeves is a starter.

He's started every game this season.

He's also a good corner.

You know, you really look immature and foolish everytime you asterisk out Henrys name...like a little kid that holds his breath if he dosen't get some candy!

 

[eduncan22]

You know, you really look immature and foolish everytime you asterisk out H****'s name...like a little kid that holds his breath if he dosen't get some candy!

I will not be discussing #42.

Go Cowboys!

 

[zrinkill]

I will not be discussing #42.

Go Cowboys!

Thats because he has punked your silly agenda out in every game he has played.

 

[AmishCowboy]

We must be the worse 9-1 team of all time. Do you think the Packers might be thinking how are we going to stop Romo?.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

To recap for you shrill voices of apologists:

The Boys, said to be Super Bowl bound, won at home by a handful of points.
The boys were carved apart with short-range passes.
We were declared winners the last second.
As superb as our offense was, it kept having to stay ahead because the defense against short passes was almost nonexistent.
Nothing said about packing it in.
Nothing said about how Favre will get 600 yards.
Nothing said about how bad our CBs are (they are good)
Nothing said about a lot of things.

So you with the shrill voices, back off.

It's about one part of the secondary. It's about the terrible defense against short passes. If you don't see it, you are hopelessly blinded by wins and not the long-range ramifications.

 

[Angus]

Any time a dog like that Commanders QB can pass for . . . 340-plus yards against the Boys, you have problems.

Before you shrill voices of secondary apologists pipe up, take heed.

Brett Favre is on the horizon. Imagine what he will do.

And word has gotten around: You don't have to run against the boys. (Our run defense is really good.)

Just go with the short-range passes and avoid getting Newman and Henry in the picture.
Why? Because our secondary coaches won't make the adjustments.

This is just the horrified reaction of someone who refused to recognize the threat the Commanders posed and who is now trying to excuse his own inattention to the realities of the NFCE.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I guess this couldn't have been posted in the Favre is going to carve us up thread?

Starting a new thread gets one more attention, you see.

Actually, GTB has been starting a thread complaining about Wade, Stewart, and/or the overall D after almost every game.

(Cue obligatory lame "Then don't click, Blutto." response.)

 

[BigDFan5]

if Favre throws 54 passes and tries to dink and dunk us to death we will beat the Packers too. We stop the run and take away the deep ball. What does that mean? It means they have to dink and dunk and sustain long drives to score. It has worked everytime we tried it. We are 9-1 get over it

 

[zrinkill]

Actually, GTB has been starting a thread complaining about Wade, Stewart, and/or the overall D after almost every game.

(Cue obligatory lame "Then don't click, Blutto." response.)

:laugh2:

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

C Lab just has them in a twist just because I referred to the Skins QB as a dog.

But a dog is a dog is a dog.

Just ax Vick.:laugh2:

You can untwist them now, C Lab, you dog, you.

And as far as you tracking my threads after every game, I find that creepy as well.
I thought only Zrin was a stalker and a creepy being.
Now you, too, join that creepy fraternity of creepy begins. Don't be a stalker. I don't track you so cut it out before that restraining order comes a calling, you dog. :laugh2:

 

[thekavorka]

Is Favre going to attempt 54 passes against us? If so, I'll gladly accept 340-plus yards as long as we get multiple interceptions.

The only real problem the secondary had yesterday was not having enough pressure to create poor throws. Campbell averaged 5.52 AYPA. If they have a normal run/pass ratio, that's 188 yards passing.

The frustrating thing was the couple of 3rd and longs they completed to wide open receivers. I don't have the stats, but I'd guess that his YPC was higher than his normal average. Also, immediately after we scored, they were able to drive the ball down couple of times. I just wanted to see a 3 and out or something in the second half. Or maybe stop them from getting into Cowboy territory.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

To recap for you shrill voices of apologists:

The Boys, said to be Super Bowl bound, won at home by a handful of points.
The boys were carved apart with short-range passes.
We were declared winners the last second.
As superb as our offense was, it kept having to stay ahead because the defense against short passes was almost nonexistent.
Nothing said about packing it in.
Nothing said about how Favre will get 600 yards.
Nothing said about how bad our CBs are (they are good)
Nothing said about a lot of things.

So you with the shrill voices, back off.

It's about one part of the secondary. It's about the terrible defense against short passes. If you don't see it, you are hopelessly blinded by wins and not the long-range ramifications.

So tell us, oh wise one, what are the long-range ramifications?

That we would get beaten by the Pats in the Superbowl were it to come to that? Well, that makes about 6.4 billion of us on that one.

That we can't make it to the Superbowl with these deficiencies? I would beg to differ on this and time will tell but I just don't see anyone else, Packers included, as being less flawed than us.

That we can't or won't get a bye? Please, spare us. We've got a 3-game lead in that department.

That we won't get home field throughout the playoffs and will therefore have to play GB on the road? That is a very real possibility but we've played well on the road this year so a win at GB even in horrible winter weather is not out of the question. And, of course, a win in two weeks at home would go a very long way toward finishing off that problem.

 

[Sarge]

I don't know ... are we really THAT afraid of Brett Favre?

Damn well better be. Have you looked at his numbers yet this year?

They have a 5 WR set that we may very well have to deal with. Donald Driver and Greg Jennings are no slouches.

Lee is playing awesome at TE and is getting more invovled in their scheme each passing week.

That team is playing very well and I am surprised more people around here aren't talking about the Packers.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Any time a dog like that Commanders QB can pass for . . . 340-plus yards against the Boys, you have problems.

Before you shrill voices of secondary apologists pipe up, take heed.

The Cowboys defense is pretty good. Granted, Williams has his trouble, but the Cowboys giving up 340+ yards of passing wasn't a Roy Williams issues. It wasn't even a defensive issue. It was a defensive play calling philosophy issue. Two issues. The Commanders ran max-protect to protect Campbell. The Cowboys try to put heavy pressure on Campbell, but they had max-protect and the Cowboys didn't adjust. Secondly, the Cowboys kept playing a soft zone with deep protection. Campbell has accuracy issues throwing deep, so he wasn't going to do that anyhow. The Commanders had time and threw dink and dunk passes mostly, because thats what the Cowboys defense gave them.

Campbell threw for 340+ yards, but only had a 6.4YPA average which is not good at all. The Cowboys should have mixed up their defense more, but they didn't. Instead they allowed the Commanders to dink and dunk all the way down the field.

 

[AdamJT13]

The frustrating thing was the couple of 3rd and longs they completed to wide open receivers.

Receivers will always be open against zone coverage, and no pressure means the quarterback has time to find them and make good throws.

I don't have the stats, but I'd guess that his YPC was higher than his normal average.

He was averaging 6.65 YPA. He averaged 6.44 YPA against us, so it actually was lower than his average (and he didn't have Santana Moss for all or most of four of his other games).

{Edit: I did YPA instead of YPC. Here's his YPC stats.} His YPC was 10.55 yesterday. It was 11.12 going into the game.

Also, immediately after we scored, they were able to drive the ball down couple of times. I just wanted to see a 3 and out or something in the second half. Or maybe stop them from getting into Cowboy territory.

Well, the "keep everything in front of you and don't get beat deep" philosophy is supposed to make the opponent have to drive down the field in short chunks without making any mistakes. We didn't create enough pressure to force mistakes, which meant they were able to sustain some drives. And three of those drives after we scored resulted in field goals instead of touchdowns, so the philosophy worked, to some degree.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm not saying we're perfect, because I have concerns, too.

My main one isn't Wade or the scheme or if Brian Stewart is qualified or how good Reeves is, though... It's whether Anthony Henry can ever stay healthy. With Newman and Henry starting plus Reeves as a third corner, I think our CB group is very good. With Reeves playing every down and Henry hobbled, I think we do have problems.

Most of us counted on Henry gradually returning to health after he got a month off, but if anything, he's looked worse to me since his first game back from the ankle. I don't quite understand that.

I'm very reluctant to ever call out these guys when it comes to toughness, because every NFL player is tough. But Henry is hurt every year with something. Makes you wonder if he'd be playing with the same injury TNew has.

 

[eduncan22]

I'm not saying we're perfect, because I have concerns, too.

My main one isn't Wade or the scheme or if Brian Stewart is qualified or how good Reeves is, though... It's whether H**** can ever stay healthy. With Newman and H**** starting plus Reeves as a third corner, I think our CB group is very good. With Reeves playing every down and Henry hobbled, I think we do have problems.

Most of us counted on H**** gradually returning to health after he got a month off, but if anything, he's looked worse to me since his first game back from the ankle. I don't quite understand that.

I'm very reluctant to ever call out these guys when it comes to toughness, because every NFL player is tough. But H**** is hurt every year with something. Makes you wonder if he'd be playing with the same injury TNew has.

You have it backwards.

Since Newman/Reeves, our secondary is much improved. We finally have speed at the corners.

Both of them can play outside, the slot, or motion.

Its tough, but the transition has already started.

Go Cowboys!

 

[theebs]

Any time a dog like that Commanders QB can pass for . . . 340-plus yards against the Boys, you have problems.

Before you shrill voices of secondary apologists pipe up, take heed.

Brett Favre is on the horizon. Imagine what he will do.

And word has gotten around: You don't have to run against the boys. (Our run defense is really good.)

Just go with the short-range passes and avoid getting Newman and Henry in the picture.
Why? Because our secondary coaches won't make the adjustments.

its of a higher quality than this post.

 

[thekavorka]

Receivers will always be open against zone coverage, and no pressure means the quarterback has time to find them and make good throws.




He was averaging 6.65 YPC. He averaged 6.44 YPC against us, so it actually was lower than his average (and he didn't have Santana Moss for all or most of four of his other games).



Well, the "keep everything in front of you and don't get beat deep" philosophy is supposed to make the opponent have to drive down the field in short chunks without making any mistakes. We didn't create enough pressure to force mistakes, which meant they were able to sustain some drives. And three of those drives after we scored resulted in field goals instead of touchdowns, so the philosophy worked, to some degree.

How did you calculate YPC? I thought that was just Total Yards / completions. Wouldn't that have been 348 / 33 = 10.545 yards per completion? I don't know if that's higher or lower than his average, but he was making plenty of 10 - 20 yard throws in pressure situations. And if that's due to the lack of a rush, then that needs to be addressed too.

 

[smarta5150]

How did you calculate YPC? I thought that was just Total Yards / completions. Wouldn't that have been 348 / 33 = 10.545 yards per completion?

You are forgetting about the YAC.

Inflates your average.