Faine can seek trade

[dbair1967]

No he hasn't. As usual you exhaggerate to try and get your point across.

The reason Faine is being replaced is cuz he's not big and/or strong enough to push Casey Hampton around. He's one of the last centers in the league you'd want if facing a 3-4.

But, like I said, he'd fit in real well in Denver. Or even Atlanta (same OL scheme).

they play Casey Hampton twice a yr...your telling me they opened Fort Knox because of one opponent?

please...they replaced him because so far, he's has been a major flop

David

 

[Rack]

they play Casey Hampton twice a yr...your telling me they opened Fort Knox because of one opponent?

please...they replaced him because so far, he's has been a major flop

David

That's the biggest reason, yes.


He hasn't been a "Major" flop. If you'd quit over exhaggerating to try and make your points people might be able to stand you, somewhat.

 

[dbair1967]

That's the biggest reason, yes.


He hasn't been a "Major" flop. If you'd quit over exhaggerating to try and make your points people might be able to stand you, somewhat.

come on Rack...you dont give up on a guy you drafted in the 1st rd (and traded up to get) after only 3 seasons unless the guy just aint getting it done...they absolutely broke the bank to replace him

you dont do that because of one opponent, and especially not not for the center position ...there is absolutely no logic in that

he's hurt alot and he has been mediocre at best when he has been on the field...go read up on the Browns Rack...you'll see

David

 

[Rack]

come on Rack...you dont give up on a guy you drafted in the 1st rd (and traded up to get) after only 3 seasons unless the guy just aint getting it done...they absolutely broke the bank to replace him

you dont do that because of one opponent, and especially not not for the center position ...there is absolutely no logic in that

he's hurt alot and he has been mediocre at best when he has been on the field...go read up on the Browns Rack...you'll see

David

If it was OBVIOUS to them they couldn't move the ball against the steelers because Faine isn't big/strong enough to move the NG, then you make the change. And Faine wasn't THAT high of a pick, he wasn't making as much money as you imply. Plus, I'm pretty sure next season would be the last of his contract anyway, so they aren't losing much money if they trade/cut him.

Not to mention the fact that Bentley is a) a better fit for them and b) flat out one of the better centers in the league and c) WANTED to play for the Browns (his favorite team growing up).


I'm not saying Faine has been good or great. The world isn't black and white to me. I'm just saying he hasn't be a "Major flop".

And, yes, teams do things (to their roster) in order to compete against the better teams in their division. You think we signed Henry cuz he's one of the top CBs in the league, or cuz he matched up well vs TO and Plaxico Burress? Probably a bit of both, but moreso cuz of his ability to matchup against the bigger WRs. Faine didn't match up well vs a powerful NG like Hampton. He doesn't have the room to grow physically enough to be able to handle a powerful NG one on one. So what do you do? Keep him on the team KNOWING he won't get the job done vs the best team in your division, or do you make a change?

 

[dbair1967]

If it was OBVIOUS to them they couldn't move the ball against the steelers because Faine isn't big/strong enough to move the NG, then you make the change. And Faine wasn't THAT high of a pick, he wasn't making as much money as you imply. Plus, I'm pretty sure next season would be the last of his contract anyway, so they aren't losing much money if they trade/cut him.

Not to mention the fact that Bentley is a) a better fit for them and b) flat out one of the better centers in the league and c) WANTED to play for the Browns (his favorite team growing up).


I'm not saying Faine has been good or great. The world isn't black and white to me. I'm just saying he hasn't be a "Major flop".

And, yes, teams do things (to their roster) in order to compete against the better teams in their division. You think we signed Henry cuz he's one of the top CBs in the league, or cuz he matched up well vs TO and Plaxico Burress? Probably a bit of both, but moreso cuz of his ability to matchup against the bigger WRs. Faine didn't match up well vs a powerful NG like Hampton. He doesn't have the room to grow physically enough to be able to handle a powerful NG one on one. So what do you do? Keep him on the team KNOWING he won't get the job done vs the best team in your division, or do you make a change?

guess we'll agree to disagree then...but nobody gives up a guy they drafted in the first rd 3yrs ago (and traded up for) if they are capable of doing the job...there are things you can do to help a guy out against teams that have mismatches...you dont break the bank like they did to replace him if he's capable of doing a good job in 14 of the other 16 games

again...go read the comments on him in their local papers and on their forums

David

 

[Rack]

guess we'll agree to disagree then...but nobody gives up a guy they drafted in the first rd 3yrs ago (and traded up for) if they are capable of doing the job...there are things you can do to help a guy out against teams that have mismatches...you dont break the bank like they did to replace him if he's capable of doing a good job in 14 of the other 16 games

again...go read the comments on him in their local papers and on their forums

David

1. I don't see it as "giving up". They just don't see him as a fit for what they want to do. Remember, he was a Butch Davis pick. Romen Crenell is the coach now. You see that kind of stuff often when a new coach is brought in.

2. I'm not saying he was great. I just don't think he was as horrible as you make him out to be. I do agree with the injury thing though, although he seemed to hold up ok last year. One of my friends is a huge browns fan so I get a lot of browns info through him. He hasn't been unhappy with Faine (other then the injuries), but he has also said that Faine just isn't strong enough to handle a powerful NG one on one.


Reading comments about him now wouldn't tell the true story. Have you read what supposed cowboys fans are saying about Drew Pearson now, just because Pearson disagrees with the TO signing? Not exactly the same thing, but you get the point.


I do think Faine would be a beast in Denver though. He's built perfect for that type of offense.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

He is about the same size as Johnson and probably little if any stronger.
Push. Bentley was the only center out there that would have been a big upgrade.

He's smaller than Johnson.

 

[Rack]

He's smaller than Johnson.

Only about 15 lbs lighter. C'mon!





You'll have to forgive Burmsy, he has a severe case of homerism when it comes to Notre Dame players.


That said, IMO, Faine is a better Center then Al Johnson, in the right scheme. In our scheme, Johnson is a better Center.

 

[burmafrd]

Faine is about the same size- a little shorter and lighter. Johnson is hardly ever more then 295- he was down to 290 by the end of last year. Faine has lost some weight since coming out of college. I think he was down to 285.

 

[burmafrd]

And the only other ND player I like in the NFL is JJ. Most of the others are not worth much- though anthony weaver is good. I am certainly not the homer that some OU, Texas, Miami fans are here.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/gurode_andre.htm

Gurode has all the talent in the world; he needs to step it up once and for all. Being a contract year I hope it gives him the motivation to step up and claim the center spot.

AGILITY TESTS

5.34 in the 40-yard dash … 3.14 in the 20-yard dash … 1.89 in the 10-yard dash … 5.05 in the 20-yard shuttle … 8.15 in the three-cone drill … 30 1/2-inch vertical jump … 8'4" broad jump … 458-pound bench press … 641-pound squat … 330-pound power clean … 35-inch arm length … 11-inch hands … Right-handed… Added over 30 pounds to his frame since arriving on campus as a freshman.

225lbs how many reps?

 

[Rack]

And the only other ND player I like in the NFL is JJ. Most of the others are not worth much- though anthony weaver is good. I am certainly not the homer that some OU, Texas, Miami fans are here.

I'll give you that.

The love that some of these Texas fans give Michael Huff is amazing (just one example).


But still, Johnson is bigger then Faine. It's noticeable too.

Faine could be an All-Pro if he played in Denver, IMO.

 

[burmafrd]

The the increasing numbers of 3-4 teams; and the increasing size and strength of NT's; I think centers are going to have to get bigger and stronger.

 

[ghst187]

I wonder what happened to him

He was awesome in college...I was really high on him in his draft

ditto, coming out of college he was absolutely the better C over AJ.

I think I read that Faine got injured his first or second year and lost a bunch of weight, and subsequently power. Cleveland got mad at him because he got injured and started looking for other options.
One thing Faine has the AJ doesn't, a nasty streak.
I don't know if Faine is a better player than AJ now, but I don't think there were many worse C's last season than AJ.
However, I think that we got what we got now, we're loaded down on C's. I'm hoping Gurode pulls it together.