Falcons asking for four game suspension for Vick

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Rich McKay said the Falcons want the league to suspend Vick for four games. He will not get paid during this suspension. He will be out for training camp and will be paid his pre-season pay. They said they do not want to have a paid leave of absence during the season.
 

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AtlCB;1560952 said:
Rich McKay said the Falcons want the league to suspend Vick for four games. He will not get paid during this suspension. He will be out for training camp and will be paid his pre-season pay. They said they do not want to have a paid leave of absence during the season.

I would be very surprised if this happened.
 

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Guy with guns.....8 games.
Guy stomps on someone's head.....5 games
Guy allegedly (though likely) fights dogs.....4 games

Hmm.

Well, as long as someone else understands it.
 

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AtlCB;1560952 said:
Rich McKay said the Falcons want the league to suspend Vick for four games. He will not get paid during this suspension. He will be out for training camp and will be paid his pre-season pay. They said they do not want to have a paid leave of absence during the season.

Stupid. Year or no deal. :laugh2: He deserves due process. Until it's proven that he has done something wrong... While it's seems almost certain that he will, it has yet to happen and it's unfair to punish him until then.
 

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That makes sense that they would request that. I can see the beginnings of posturing manufactured by the Falcons and Goodell - where they can suspend him 8 games (Goodell still "seems" stern to the unwashed masses - after all, the Falcons requested he ONLY be suspended 4 games, lol) and have some bogus justification for it making a lick of sense.

Smooth move, Falcons. Similar to what college programs do when they know they've been caught.
 

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NFL commish puts bandage on Vick situation

By Len Pasquarelli
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Updated: July 24, 2007, 4:03 PM EST
The NFL and the Atlanta Falcons, already lacerated by the indictment of one of the game's most high-profile players and likely to suffer even more severe hemorrhaging by the end of the week, got a Band-Aid on Monday night when commissioner Roger Goodell ordered quarterback Michael Vick not to report to training camp.
The league and the Falcons probably required something more like a tourniquet to stanch the mounting public relations ramifications of Vick's indictment last week on his alleged involvement in a dogfighting ring.
But since Vick might well have reported to training camp on Friday -- the day after he is scheduled to appear in a Richmond, Va., federal courtroom for a bond hearing and his initial arraignment on the charges -- the temporary fix applied by Goodell was much needed.
The Falcons' brass, headed by owner Arthur Blank, will address Vick's status at a Tuesday afternoon news conference. At that time, first-year coach Bobby Petrino is expected to say that the Falcons will proceed as though Vick will not be available for the 2007 season, and that Joey Harrington, signed as a free agent this spring after his release from the Miami Dolphins, will be their starter.
In essence, the intervention of the commissioner, who originally felt that action by the club would have been more appropriate, bought all parties some time and reduced the chances that the Falcons' training camp in Flowery Branch, Ga., would have degenerated into a circus atmosphere. Already, on Monday, protestors from PETA picketed the team's headquarters. They may continue to do so, even into the end of the week when camp starts, but the mere fact that the subject of their disdain won't be present on the practice fields or in the locker room figures to mitigate the passion of a highly charged situation.
Goodell's decision came after a long day of deliberation; it wasn't rendered until about 8 p.m. and was delivered to the club first and then to Vick. The decision came with considerable input from the NFL Players Association, which had tried for several days to broker a deal in which Vick accepted a paid leave of absence.
In the end, Goodell's action, as is characteristically the case with any compromise, certainly was not a cure-all. But short of Vick's being convicted and sent to prison, or being acquitted, or the commissioner's discovering indisputable evidence that the quarterback is in violation of the league's personal conduct policy and suspending the Falcons' star, there is no panacea.
So, short of a cure, Goodell opted for a bandage.
His ruling addresses the most immediate needs of Blank, in that it keeps Vick out of camp and buffers the Falcons organization, at least to some degree, from criticism. It also precludes the Falcons from finding Vick in default of his contract, and, for now, prohibits the franchise from attempting to recover any of the $37 million in bonuses that he has earned under the contract extension he signed in December 2004.
No one, though, is naive enough to believe that the decision does anything more than slam the brakes briefly on a runaway public relations fiasco that could still ultimately continue its downhill momentum.
Vick will be expected to cooperate fully as the NFL's review of his alleged activities moves forward. And while the NFL -- and Goodell -- might not have the investigatory gravitas of the federal government, its resources run deep and its pride runs even deeper. And right now, the pride of the league and its first-year commissioner are dented more than a little.
Goodell does not take lightly the allegations brought against one of the most conspicuous players in the NFL, even if Monday's move will probably be viewed as lacking weight.
Make no mistake, this continues to be a situation in flux and under the microscope, as has been manifested by the events of the past week. Only a week or so ago, it seemed that the NFL and the Falcons were prepared to allow due process in Vick's case before determining what, if any, measures to take in terms of sanctions. But events continued to spiral beyond the control of the primary entities, and when the carousel threatened to spin totally out of control, something had to be done.
It appeared, for a brief time, that the solution would be a leave of absence that would permit Vick to focus his energies on extricating himself from his legal entanglements. And even on Monday evening, in hindsight, that still appeared the most palatable remedy.
But two things occurred that served to scuttle the potential for such a deal: Blank decided that, having paid Vick more than $40 million already on his landmark contract, he could not reconcile a deal in which he guaranteed his $6 million base salary in 2007-08 if the quarterback might not play a single down. Second, the competitiveness, or perhaps hubris, of Vick made him disinclined to accept such a leave, even if paid.
There was a time, over the weekend, as Blank considered his options while at his Montana sanctuary, that the Atlanta owner seriously considered cutting ties to Vick altogether. Cooler heads within the organization -- who cautioned Blank that Vick might still be acquitted and who fretted about the message it might send to teammates if their best player were jettisoned on an indictment alone -- finally prevailed, according to people with knowledge of Blank's decision-making process.
Blank might have suspended Vick for a maximum four games for the catchall infraction "conduct detrimental to the team," but the NFLPA would have sought an expedited hearing and could have had the suspension overturned. Even if that didn't occur, a suspension would not have banished Vick from training camp. The only other option -- to allow Vick to come to camp and play through his problems -- was untenable and unacceptable.
As for the football component involved here, well, the Falcons will certainly suffer from Vick's absence. But people within the Atlanta organization insist that Petrino would prefer to begin training camp with the quarterback who is most likely to be his opening-day starter, now Harrington, than to have to keep switching based on the unfolding events of Vick's legal woes.
Which isn't to say that Vick, who on Monday retained the services of high-powered trial attorney Billy Martin, has abandoned all hope of playing in 2007.
Said a Vick associate on Monday night, after Goodell's announcement: "[Vick] is a football player. He wants to play. He'd prefer to be with his team instead of taking care of all this other stuff. He wants to be in camp."
But now, until -- or perhaps more accurately, if -- Goodell decides Vick can report, he won't be anywhere around Flowery Branch.
For all parties, that's probably not such a bad thing. Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer with ESPN.com.
 

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nyc;1560957 said:
Stupid. Year or no deal. :laugh2: He deserves due process. Until it's proven that he has done something wrong... While it's seems almost certain that he will, it has yet to happen and it's unfair to punish him until then.

Sounds to me like the Falcons want there cake and eat it too. If they get 4 games, what are the chances this thing is already settled in a court of law? The Falcons don't want to pay out money on this and then, want to be able to go back and recoup bonus. If I'm the league office, no way do I do this. Falcons should be responsible for Vick IMO. They could not have been completely unaware of the goings on with Vick. They are responsible for this situation and should be held accountible for the financial ramifications of it IMO.
 

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Vintage;1560955 said:
Guy with guns.....8 games.
Guy stomps on someone's head.....5 games
Guy allegedly (though likely) fights dogs.....4 games

Hmm.

Well, as long as someone else understands it.

The guy with guns spent time in jail.

The guy who stomped on someone's head definitely happened and caught on camera.

Vick is only alleged to be involved at this point. I am sure when he is found guilty, it will be worth more than 4 games. Then it will make more sense.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1560972 said:
Sounds to me like the Falcons want there cake and eat it too. If they get 4 games, what are the chances this thing is already settled in a court of law? The Falcons don't want to pay out money on this and then, want to be able to go back and recoup bonus. If I'm the league office, no way do I do this. Falcons should be responsible for Vick IMO. They could not have been completely unaware of the goings on with Vick. They are responsible for this situation and should be held accountible for the financial ramifications of it IMO.

I agree.

The Falcons need to handle things themselves rather than running to the Commissioner to do their 'dirty work'.

If they don't want him around, cut him.

And take the required medicine in terms of cap hit and possible wrongful termination lawsuits for not giving him due process.
 

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lurkercowboy;1560981 said:
Irvin had a six game suspension in 1996 for being caught with drugs.

Was that before or after he had his day in court?
 

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stasheroo;1560979 said:
I agree.

The Falcons need to handle things themselves rather than running to the Commissioner to do their 'dirty work'.

If they don't want him around, cut him.

And take the required medicine in terms of cap hit and possible wrongful termination lawsuits for not giving him due process.
I agree. The Falcons have the right to suspend Vick as well, but Blank seems to want to give Goodell this responsibility. He could have at least taken the initiative to suspend him for the preseason.
 

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lurkercowboy;1560981 said:
Irvin had a six game suspension in 1996 for being caught with drugs.

How many did he get for throwing his helmet in NY? Two wasn't it?
 

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nyc;1560991 said:
How many did he get for throwing his helmet in NY? Two wasn't it?

Irvin got a 5 game suspension in 1996. It was after he had his day in court. I don't remember him being suspended for anything else by the league during his career.
 

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From what espn live is saying, they wanted to give Vick the 4 game suspension because that was the maximum step they could give him under the cba. But that was just their first step towards divorcing themselves from Vick or "the player" as they pointed out was used more than once during the pc. Tom Jackson and Mark Shlereth both stated that they don't think Vick will ever wear a Falcon jersey again.
 

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speedkilz88;1561013 said:
From what espn live is saying, they wanted to give Vick the 4 game suspension because that was the maximum step they could give him under the cba. But that was just their first step towards divorcing themselves from Vick or "the player" as they pointed out was used more than once during the pc. Tom Jackson and Mark Shlereth both stated that they don't think Vick will ever wear a Falcon jersey again.

Chris Mortenson was on the radio earlier talking about Petrino's luncheon with season ticket holders. Mort said they showed a team highlight reel from last season and Vick was cut out of it. If there was a TD pass, you just saw the catch, but not Vick throwing it.
 

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joseephuss;1561028 said:
If there was a TD pass, you just saw the catch, but not Vick throwing it.


That's probably because he did not throw a TD pass! It must have been a half back option...

:laugh2:
 

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5Stars;1561032 said:
That's probably because he did not throw a TD pass! It must have been a half back option...

:laugh2:
A HB option would be a more appropriate name for a Vick pass. :lmao2:
 

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Falcons owner planned to suspend Vick before Goodell intervened

July 24, 2007
ATLANTA (TICKER) -- A day after NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has ordered quarterback Michael Vick not to report to training camp, the Atlanta Falcons decided to let their voices be heard.

Speaking publicly for the first time on Vick's federal indictment on dogfighting charges, Falcons owner Arthur Blank said on Tuesday that he was prepared to hand down the maximum suspension of four games before the commissioner intervened.

Blank said he would comply with the commissioner's request not to suspend Vick and stated the team's position will be to let the legal process play out before exercising its next move.

Through his words, Blank also offered some advice to his beleaguered quarterback.

"My own counsel to Michael would be that the charges are extremely serious, this isn't about playing football in 2007. It's about having a life outside of football," Blank said.

"It would be very difficult for him to do that and to be focused on football at the same time."

Blank did not address the possibility of welcoming Vick back should he be found not guilty of the charges.

On Monday, Goodell directed Atlanta to withhold any team discipline concerning the matter until the NFL has finished its investigation.

The commissioner also ordered Vick to stay away from camp until an NFL review of his situation was complete. He informed Vick that the review would be completed as soon as possible and that his full cooperation is expected.

"While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy," Goodell said in a letter to the quarterback.

Vick will not forfeit his preseason pay during his excused absence from training camp and will not receive any team discipline until the NFL review is completed.

There were rumors that Vick might not have a team to go to following the completion of the investigation, as the Falcons might cut the beleaguered quarterback.

Rich McKay, the team's president and general manager, addressed the possibility of that move.

"We discussed every option and we felt that the appropriate step was to impose a suspension," McKay said. "We do need to remember that there are more facts in the future, but we did discuss all avenues. This is the one we felt most comfortable with."

One avenue the Falcons may not be comfortable with is having Joey Harrington as the team's starting quarterback. In addition, while Georgia-product D.J. Shockley is also on the roster, the Falcons' brass did not discount looking to sign another quarterback.

While nothing has been proven, Vick certainly has been hit with some gruesome charges. The indictment states that the dogs were procured and trained to fight to the death - or close to it.

The operation was named "Bad Newz Kennels," according to the indictments.

In the 18-page indictment handed down by the federal government, Vick was named 51 times. Page 17 of the indictment paints an ugly picture of Vick's involvement.

"In or about April 2007, Peace Phillips and Vick executed approximately eight dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road by various methods, including hanging, drowning and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground," the page read.

If convicted, Vick and the others could face up to six years in prison and $350,000 in fines and restitution.

Heinous crimes to be certain - and Blank agreed, but they are not indicative of who he's known Vick to be.

"It's not the young man that I have gotten to know," Blank said.

Throughout Tuesday's press conference, Blank reiterated that the Falcons are trying to do the right thing.

"To our fans, and to all fans of the NFL, I want to emphasize that this team and the entire organization is committed to doing the right thing on and off the field. ... No one individual will compromise what we stand for," Blank said.
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And I didn't remember this...

Joey Harrington: Atlanta's Starter ... For Now

RotoWire.com Staff - RotoWire.com
Tuesday, July 24, 2007
Update: With starting quarterback Michael Vick ordered to stay away from training camp by commissioner Roger Goodell, Harrington will take the reps with the first-team offense and is effectively the new starter as long as Vick is out of action.

Recommendation: The Falcons have minimal depth at quarterback, with D.J. Shockley and Chris Redman as Harrington's only two backups. It's believed that the Falcons will be interested in Daunte Culpepper and Mark Brunell among others, so Harrington's reign as the starter could be brief.
 

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5Stars;1561032 said:
That's probably because he did not throw a TD pass! It must have been a half back option...

:laugh2:


Maybe you should go watch the cowboys ATL game again
 
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