Fanspeak trade down mock 1/20

[sureletsrace]

Traded down to 12 (New Orleans) and got their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks. Then traded 34 to the Bears for their 2nd, 4th, and 5th.

1) A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama
2) Josh Doctson, WR, TCU
2) Devontae Booker, RB, Utah
3) Zack Sanchez, CB, Oklahoma
3) Briean Boddy-Calhoun, CB, Minnesota
4) Brandon Doughty, QB, Western Kentucky
4) Blake Martinez, LB, Stanford
4) Yannick Ngakoue, DE, Maryland

Comments:

--A'Shawn Robinson comes in Day 1 as our most talented DT. Takes the 1-tech spot from Hayden, easily.

--I like Josh Doctson's game. He can really put pressure on a defense, especially when single covered, as he will be in the NFL.

--Booker is great value in the middle of the 2nd.

--Yeah, I took CB back-to-back in the 3rd. I think 2nd-3rd has some great value at CB. This is the year to take advantage of a deep CB class. Both of these guys project to be future starters.

--I really think Brandon Doughty could end up being a solid NFL QB. He's done nothing but improve in college. 97 passing TDs in his past 2 seasons with only 19 INTs (49td/10int, 48td/9int). Yards, completion %, Y/A, AYA, TD, INT have all trended upwards his entire college career.

--Blake Martinez is a tough LB who can read an offense well and plays with good instincts and hustle.

--Yannick Ngakoue needs to get stronger and work on his run blocking, but you have to like his burst and lateral agility.

 

[Beast_from_East]

We are not using a first round pick on a 1-tech as long as Marinelli is the DC.

That is why we passed on Sheriff Floyd, Marrinelli said that he doesn't need that great of a player at 1-tech since their job is basically to just eat up space and free up the 3-tech to make plays.

Also, we are drafting 5 players before we even get to QB? I don't think that jives with what both Stephen and Jerry have said. They both have said that QB is the #1 need of the team this offseason.

I don't think you draft 5 other players before getting around to what you think is the most important need of the team, makes no sense at all.

I am not trying to piss in your Wheaties here bro, just saying that this mock does not reflect what the organization is saying and we have learned from past drafts that this team is sometimes too honest with their draft plans. Ergo, they don't use smokescreens to hide their intentions, they really do mean what they say 95% of the time when it comes to the draft and team needs.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

But at the same time if value isn't there then Dallas has shown to pass for most talented guy.

 

[sureletsrace]

We are not using a first round pick on a 1-tech as long as Marinelli is the DC.

That is why we passed on Sheriff Floyd, Marrinelli said that he doesn't need that great of a player at 1-tech since their job is basically to just eat up space and free up the 3-tech to make plays.

Also, we are drafting 5 players before we even get to QB? I don't think that jives with what both Stephen and Jerry have said. They both have said that QB is the #1 need of the team this offseason.

I don't think you draft 5 other players before getting around to what you think is the most important need of the team, makes no sense at all.

I am not trying to piss in your Wheaties here bro, just saying that this mock does not reflect what the organization is saying and we have learned from past drafts that this team is sometimes too honest with their draft plans. Ergo, they don't use smokescreens to hide their intentions, they really do mean what they say 95% of the time when it comes to the draft and team needs.

This wasn't my attempt at what I think the team will do. It's what I did, given the circumstances of who was drafted when and what trade opportunities were available to me.

Goff and Lynch were gone at 4 so I traded back. Philly took Wentz right before my pick so my plan to trade back and get him in the teens didn't pan out.

I'm not a fan of Cook or Hackenburg, so yes, I waited to go after a QB.

 

[IrishAnto]

This wasn't my attempt at what I think the team will do. It's what I did, given the circumstances of who was drafted when and what trade opportunities were available to me.

Goff and Lynch were gone at 4 so I traded back. Philly took Wentz right before my pick so my plan to trade back and get him in the teens didn't pan out.

I'm not a fan of Cook or Hackenburg, so yes, I waited to go after a QB.

That's the problem with trading down, it can mean somebody taking a player they didn't think they would get a chance at or trigger somebody else's trade up.

 

[jazzcat22]

Too many players to draft at lower picks can be worse than one thinks. They tried this route before, and it screwed them for years.
Thinking they had top line players, and needed ST's / depth type guys, that would develop. So kept trading down to accumulate picks. Not many of those picks were worth crap in long term.

I know that it is just a mock draft with a trade down scenario. But just my opinion. I don't mind the trade down to get and extra 2nd and 3rd, but not 2 trade downs. JMHO.

Take the blue chip players while picking this high, and have 3 to 4 players that contribute for 10 years and are difference makers, instead of 8 players for 4 years that help at times.
A team devoid of talent can take that approach, but this team is not that devoid of talent, though many think they are. Get players that can play, and the others around them will play better.

 

[Stash]

That's the problem with trading down, it can mean somebody taking a player they didn't think they would get a chance at or trigger somebody else's trade up.

Exactly. All I've seen from these mocks is "trade down" and "get Wentz" ad nauseum. And this mock clearly shows the folly of trying to get cute and ultimately losing out.

 

[egn22]

I love it
Strengthen Oline, add WR CB and RB early. Still get a backup QB.
Looks good to me man

 

[sureletsrace]

Too many players to draft at lower picks can be worse than one thinks. They tried this route before, and it screwed them for years.
Thinking they had top line players, and needed ST's / depth type guys, that would develop. So kept trading down to accumulate picks. Not many of those picks were worth crap in long term.

I know that it is just a mock draft with a trade down scenario. But just my opinion. I don't mind the trade down to get and extra 2nd and 3rd, but not 2 trade downs. JMHO.

Take the blue chip players while picking this high, and have 3 to 4 players that contribute for 10 years and are difference makers, instead of 8 players for 4 years that help at times.
A team devoid of talent can take that approach, but this team is not that devoid of talent, though many think they are. Get players that can play, and the others around them will play better.

I think that expecting to get 3-4 guys out of one draft that will be difference makers for 10 years is completely unrealistic.

That said, I think that my first 3 picks have the ability to come in and be day 1 starters. Robinson would be a large upgrade at 1 Tech, Doctson is a perfect #2, and Booker would probably be the most talented RB on the team, and a true 3 down back.

Those CBs I took are good depth where depth is needed, especially if Carr and/or Claiborne are gone. In a weaker CB draft class, those guys go in the 2nd IMO.

Doughty is a project. Martinez and Ngakoue are depth, which I think is a realistic expectation for 4th round picks.

 

[sureletsrace]

Exactly. All I've seen from these mocks is "trade down" and "get Wentz" ad nauseum. And this mock clearly shows the folly of trying to get cute and ultimately losing out.

So, I'm taking it you wouldn't like this draft?

Trading down and getting Wentz are what you keep seeing because it's a real possibility this year and seems to provide great value.

I don't know. Getting a real DT, a real #2 WR, a three down back, and improving our CB situation while getting a QB to groom for the future feels good to me.

 

[jazzcat22]

I think that expecting to get 3-4 guys out of one draft that will be difference makers for 10 years is completely unrealistic.

That said, I think that my first 3 picks have the ability to come in and be day 1 starters. Robinson would be a large upgrade at 1 Tech, Doctson is a perfect #2, and Booker would probably be the most talented RB on the team, and a true 3 down back.

Those CBs I took are good depth where depth is needed, especially if Carr and/or Claiborne are gone. In a weaker CB draft class, those guys go in the 2nd IMO.

Doughty is a project. Martinez and Ngakoue are depth, which I think is a realistic expectation for 4th round picks.

If they can get 3 day one starters, it's great, no matter who they are. We do need options at CB.

 

[sureletsrace]

That's the problem with trading down, it can mean somebody taking a player they didn't think they would get a chance at or trigger somebody else's trade up.

Yeah, but I also don't think you should be dead set on one guy. I'm not going into it thinking "omg omg must get Wentz lol".

Wentz was an attractive option in the teens, but not at 4. He wasn't there, so I used that pick on perhaps the best DT in the draft. No real loss. I still got a developmental QB, though not one as highly rated on draft boards.

 

[sureletsrace]

If they can get 3 day one starters, it's great, no matter who they are. We do need options at CB.

Even if Doctson doesn't supplant Williams this year and McFadden starts all year, those two guys are great insurance and would, IMO, easily take those spots in 2017.

This seems to be one of the deepest drafts at CB in recent memory and 2nd-3rd round guys are guys that would normally be overdrafted in other years, but would be fantastic depth with a chance at developing into solid starters.

 

[Stash]

So, I'm taking it you wouldn't like this draft?

Sorry, but not even a little bit. First of all, there's no chance that this team makes a draft investment like that in Robinson, who would play 1-technique for this team. The team has invested zero resources in that position for several years now and I don't expect that to change while Marinelli's here.

Trading down and getting Wentz are what you keep seeing because it's a real possibility this year and seems to provide great value.

Actually, it's because that's what the dreamers want to happen. They want the Cowboys to be the smartest guys in the room who play the draft like a fiddle and get whoever they want whenever they want. It's never worked that way before, and it's not about to now.

I don't know. Getting a real DT, a real #2 WR, a three down back, and improving our CB situation while getting a QB to groom for the future feels good to me.

Don't take my disagreement personally, we all have our opinions and wants when it comes to the draft.

 

[sureletsrace]

Sorry, but not even a little bit. First of all, there's no chance that this team makes a draft investment like that in Robinson, who would play 1-technique for this team. The team has invested zero resources in that position for several years now and I don't expect that to change while Marinelli's here.



Actually, it's because that's what the dreamers want to happen. They want the Cowboys to be the smartest guys in the room who play the draft like a fiddle and get whoever they want whenever they want. It's never worked that way before, and it's not about to now.



Don't take my disagreement personally, we all have our opinions and wants when it comes to the draft.

Didn't take it personally at all, my friend. And yes, I know there's no way in hell that Robinson is the pick. Like I said earlier in the thread, this is based off of what I would do with the way the draft fell and the trade opportunities given to me. This isn't what I actually think will happen.

And I don't think the Cowboys are by any means experts at the draft, though they have drafted pretty well the past few years, minus the Claiborne debacle.

 

[jterrell]

Would only say you can't build a draft off trades.
Good value in trades doesn't mean you end up with good players.

Thought trades were wins in value but losers in actual picks.

I see one day 1 starter in that draft and he is the dreaded 1T.

 

[sureletsrace]

Would only say you can't build a draft off trades.
Good value in trades doesn't mean you end up with good players.

Thought trades were wins in value but losers in actual picks.

I see one day 1 starter in that draft and he is the dreaded 1T.

I personally think Doctson is a better WR than Williams, and Booker is a better all around workhorse back vs McFadden. I think they're both day 1 starters.

Also, either Sanchez or Boddy-Calhoun would be the day 1 #3 CB, which is practically a starting position in today's NFL.

 

[JW82]

The trades are not realistic on that site, but those mocks with trades sure are addictive!

 

[sureletsrace]

The trades are not realistic on that site, but those mocks with trades sure are addictive!

They are a lot of fun.

 

[IrishAnto]

Yeah, but I also don't think you should be dead set on one guy. I'm not going into it thinking "omg omg must get Wentz lol".

Wentz was an attractive option in the teens, but not at 4. He wasn't there, so I used that pick on perhaps the best DT in the draft. No real loss. I still got a developmental QB, though not one as highly rated on draft boards.

It does make me smile with this fixation with the idea of “value”.

If you think a player can develop into what you want, you take him especially when picking a QB.

If we pick Wentz at 4 and he turns into a pro bowl QB what’s going to happen?

Is the league going to deduct wins from us because he wasn’t a value pick at 4?