FAs and Prospects to help rebuild

[LatinMind]

Ill start with the biggest need. DL

I really dont see Dallas signing a DE because basically eventhough the market isnt paying for a DE anymore its still too much for what Dallas can spend. With this being a so-so draft at DT id say we could see a Dt signed in FA?

Clinton McDonald DT 6'2 297 Seahawks
Had 5.5 sacks playing a rotation in the seahawks DL. With most contracts signed last yr for DTs being 2 or 3 yr deals I could see a 3 yr deal totaling around 6-7 mil would be fine for a player like McDonald. A very good rotational guy.

Dallas needs a FS ill say this until Church, Wilcox or Heath learn how to cover.

Stevie Brown FS 5'11 227 Giants
IDK if he will end up being available but i think the Giants have bigger needs. This guy would immediately improve the secondary. Having him in the secondary would allow the CBs to play more man because they will be a realiable S playing deep. Coming off a ACL injury im sure teams will offer him 1 yr deals, and some 2 or 3 yr deals with an option. Some play time money that kicks in assuming he isnt injured. Like what they did with Lee. But nowhere near the money Lee gets. 2.5-3 mil a yr is a fair price for Brown. Of course kicking it up some if he stays healthy.

Thats what i would do in FA lol. Something simple nothing that would create headlines. A solid rotational guy, and a proven player for the secondary playing on an incentive contract.

But most of what i hope this team does is build from the draft. Ill post some names by round in what id like to see in Dallas.

RD1
Trent Murphy DE
Kony Ealy DE
Ha Ha Clinton Dix S
IMO you go passrusher or S in this round. I cannot see any DT in this draft better then any one of these 3 players. My first choice is obviously Murphy. My favorite player in this draft. Its clear this guy has been watching JJ Watt play. Because thats what this guys motor is like. Nonstop. Disruptive every play.

RD2
Michael Sam DE
Marcus Smith DE
Timmy Jernigan DT
Kelcy Quarles DT
Geroge Uko DT/DE
Calvin Pryor S
Obviously the needs on this team are defense. You take one here aswell.

RD3
Dion Bailey S
Jordan Zumwalt OLB
Brett Smith QB
AJ McCarron QB
Martavis Bryant WR
Josh Mauro DT/DE
Ed Stinson DT
This pick here can go a number of different way. I would love Zumwalt. mark these words, hes going to be a very good player. And letting him compete with Wilber and Carter. Thats how you get a good deep football team. allowing competition.

Ill leave it with these 3 rounds because thats where you expect your starters to come from and its still early.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Not sure about Clinton McDonald. Never had a single sack in the first 3 years of his career. I'd be weary about giving out a contract to someone who's only ever had one good year.

 

[jterrell]

Those FA both have only one season of ANY production. Brown has been on four teams.
Brown played on a 2m tender. He is going to the highest bidder almost certainly. McDonald is interesting but we would have to win his services. Seattle likely keeps him if it takes no more than 6 or 7 m over 3 seasons.

I like a lot of your draft targets but most definitely not McCarron in round 3.

 

[kiheikiwi]

I thought this draft looks pretty deep at DT, you think its only so so ? Plenty of good looking players at least 2-3 rounds deep...

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I thought this draft looks pretty deep at DT, you think its only so so ? Plenty of good looking players at least 2-3 rounds deep...

Yea and to be honest I think where the Cowboys will be drafting they have a shot at one of the best DT's in the draft.......I don't see many teams ahead of them having a need at DT. Well I see some of those teams having more glaring needs anyway. Cowboys should be able to snag a very good defensive linemen where they are drafting.

 

[LatinMind]

I thought this draft looks pretty deep at DT, you think its only so so ? Plenty of good looking players at least 2-3 rounds deep...

Sure theres plenty but dont look at them as a whole. you have to look at marinellis system and what he likes in his players. He likes his DTs under 300lbs. donald and Sutton might look good now. But both are maybe 6ft at best. They will get passed over. Thats why i like guys like Mauro and Gardner over any of these other DTs playing in Marinellis system. Both have big frames and big legs. Can easily add on 5 lbs and play closer to the 285-290 range. Where marinellis likes his guys.

 

[LatinMind]

Those FA both have only one season of ANY production. Brown has been on four teams.
Brown played on a 2m tender. He is going to the highest bidder almost certainly. McDonald is interesting but we would have to win his services. Seattle likely keeps him if it takes no more than 6 or 7 m over 3 seasons.

I like a lot of your draft targets but most definitely not McCarron in round 3.

yes they were both on bad teams. But once they got to a team that cold get the talent out of them they produced. Seattle has more to worry about then Mcdonald with the players that are coming up for contracts. they probably will start resigning their core players this yr and next yr. I dont think they make a run for a player like Mcdonald with so many other players above him that need to be resigned starting next yr.

Brown is coming off a ACL injury. Teams arent going to be beating down his door. But he;s a playmaker. I agree tho its kind of a long shot that Dallas could get him.

Im not a big fan of McCarron ut the guy plays smart. And he played against the best comp in college. Id prefer Brett Smith over him tho. Smith is under the radar but he's a player. Theres a guy really late in the draft from cornell, Jeff Mathews. Id watch out for him. lol JGs preference might be here. Damn ivy leaguers

 

[XDez88BeastX]

Michael

Ill start with the biggest need. DL

I really dont see Dallas signing a DE because basically eventhough the market isnt paying for a DE anymore its still too much for what Dallas can spend. With this being a so-so draft at DT id say we could see a Dt signed in FA?

Clinton McDonald DT 6'2 297 Seahawks
Had 5.5 sacks playing a rotation in the seahawks DL. With most contracts signed last yr for DTs being 2 or 3 yr deals I could see a 3 yr deal totaling around 6-7 mil would be fine for a player like McDonald. A very good rotational guy.

Dallas needs a FS ill say this until Church, Wilcox or Heath learn how to cover.

Stevie Brown FS 5'11 227 Giants
IDK if he will end up being available but i think the Giants have bigger needs. This guy would immediately improve the secondary. Having him in the secondary would allow the CBs to play more man because they will be a realiable S playing deep. Coming off a ACL injury im sure teams will offer him 1 yr deals, and some 2 or 3 yr deals with an option. Some play time money that kicks in assuming he isnt injured. Like what they did with Lee. But nowhere near the money Lee gets. 2.5-3 mil a yr is a fair price for Brown. Of course kicking it up some if he stays healthy.

Thats what i would do in FA lol. Something simple nothing that would create headlines. A solid rotational guy, and a proven player for the secondary playing on an incentive contract.

But most of what i hope this team does is build from the draft. Ill post some names by round in what id like to see in Dallas.

RD1
Trent Murphy DE
Kony Ealy DE
Ha Ha Clinton Dix S
IMO you go passrusher or S in this round. I cannot see any DT in this draft better then any one of these 3 players. My first choice is obviously Murphy. My favorite player in this draft. Its clear this guy has been watching JJ Watt play. Because thats what this guys motor is like. Nonstop. Disruptive every play.

RD2
Michael Sam DE
Marcus Smith DE
Timmy Jernigan DT
Kelcy Quarles DT
Geroge Uko DT/DE
Calvin Pryor S
Obviously the needs on this team are defense. You take one here aswell.

RD3
Dion Bailey S
Jordan Zumwalt OLB
Brett Smith QB
AJ McCarron QB
Martavis Bryant WR
Josh Mauro DT/DE
Ed Stinson DT
This pick here can go a number of different way. I would love Zumwalt. mark these words, hes going to be a very good player. And letting him compete with Wilber and Carter. Thats how you get a good deep football team. allowing competition.

Ill leave it with these 3 rounds because thats where you expect your starters to come from and its still early.

SAMs draft stock has dropped he is likely a 3rd-4th rounder now & no ego ferguson, will sutton, Dominique easkey, Jackson Jeffcoat, Kareem Martin, Chris Smith, Scott Crichton? There's not I'm not even thinking of. You should re evaluate your list

 

[xwalker]

Not sure about Clinton McDonald. Never had a single sack in the first 3 years of his career. I'd be weary about giving out a contract to someone who's only ever had one good year.

That's how you get low to mid-tier free agents that produce without being overly expensive. If he didn't have any question marks, then he would be an upper tier free agent.

 

[xwalker]

Those FA both have only one season of ANY production. Brown has been on four teams.
Brown played on a 2m tender. He is going to the highest bidder almost certainly. McDonald is interesting but we would have to win his services. Seattle likely keeps him if it takes no more than 6 or 7 m over 3 seasons.

I like a lot of your draft targets but most definitely not McCarron in round 3.

Brown had 8 ints in 11 starts in 2012. I don't think he has an injury history other than the ACL prior to 2013.

McDonald 27 and McDaniel 28 rotate at DT for the Seahawks. There are both free agents. I would guess that one will be available in free agency.

McCarron's upside is Kyle Orton, IMO.

 

[jterrell]

Brown had 8 ints in 11 starts in 2012. I don't think he has an injury history other than the ACL prior to 2013.

McDonald 27 and McDaniel 28 rotate at DT for the Seahawks. There are both free agents. I would guess that one will be available in free agency.

McCarron's upside is Kyle Orton, IMO.

Brown did absolutely zero before 2012 and has no track record to indicate you are getting 2012 ever again.
He's a big gamble but one some team will take.
Dallas can't afford to gamble on a guy who had one season on his rookie deal.

McDonald and McDaniel are playing a manageable number of snaps and producing moderately.
Neither is a real talent but they are a great fit in this system should we want a back up and be willing to pay the price them. --likely in the 3.5m a year range.
Promoting either to a full-time starting spot would be asking for disappointment.
Those guys have the best secondary in football behind them.
The Seattle DL is not overly talented but it is VERY deep and it gets lots of help from the best coverage group in football.

McCarron couldn't sniff Orton's jock.
Yes. he is a headsy guy and good leader. But he severely lacks arm talent.
He is not a guy who reads or releases the ball quickly.
His upside imho is that of the guy he replaced Greg McElroy.
I have watched tons of Bama football as we look for NFL talent and McCarron is not even a top 30 talent on that currently overrated roster.

 

[jterrell]

That's how you get low to mid-tier free agents that produce without being overly expensive. If he didn't have any question marks, then he would be an upper tier free agent.

It is also how you sign complete busts.

Guys are what they are. 1 big year sounds about like what got us to pay Miles Austin like he was a franchise WR.

We'll likely pull help out of the draft. That's where you can afford to speculate.

 

[Common Sense]

I don't see any reason to think the team won't apply the same approach it has been to free agency under Garrett. They will plug holes with inexpensive, mid-tier free agents like McDonald. The only possible exception I see is if Melton decides he wants to rejoin his old DC and the price is right.

 

[DBOY3141]

Ill start with the biggest need. DL

I really dont see Dallas signing a DE because basically eventhough the market isnt paying for a DE anymore its still too much for what Dallas can spend. With this being a so-so draft at DT id say we could see a Dt signed in FA?

Clinton McDonald DT 6'2 297 Seahawks
Had 5.5 sacks playing a rotation in the seahawks DL. With most contracts signed last yr for DTs being 2 or 3 yr deals I could see a 3 yr deal totaling around 6-7 mil would be fine for a player like McDonald. A very good rotational guy.

Dallas needs a FS ill say this until Church, Wilcox or Heath learn how to cover.

Stevie Brown FS 5'11 227 Giants
IDK if he will end up being available but i think the Giants have bigger needs. This guy would immediately improve the secondary. Having him in the secondary would allow the CBs to play more man because they will be a realiable S playing deep. Coming off a ACL injury im sure teams will offer him 1 yr deals, and some 2 or 3 yr deals with an option. Some play time money that kicks in assuming he isnt injured. Like what they did with Lee. But nowhere near the money Lee gets. 2.5-3 mil a yr is a fair price for Brown. Of course kicking it up some if he stays healthy.

Thats what i would do in FA lol. Something simple nothing that would create headlines. A solid rotational guy, and a proven player for the secondary playing on an incentive contract.

But most of what i hope this team does is build from the draft. Ill post some names by round in what id like to see in Dallas.

RD1
Trent Murphy DE
Kony Ealy DE
Ha Ha Clinton Dix S
IMO you go passrusher or S in this round. I cannot see any DT in this draft better then any one of these 3 players. My first choice is obviously Murphy. My favorite player in this draft. Its clear this guy has been watching JJ Watt play. Because thats what this guys motor is like. Nonstop. Disruptive every play.

RD2
Michael Sam DE
Marcus Smith DE
Timmy Jernigan DT
Kelcy Quarles DT
Geroge Uko DT/DE
Calvin Pryor S
Obviously the needs on this team are defense. You take one here aswell.

RD3
Dion Bailey S
Jordan Zumwalt OLB
Brett Smith QB
AJ McCarron QB
Martavis Bryant WR
Josh Mauro DT/DE
Ed Stinson DT
This pick here can go a number of different way. I would love Zumwalt. mark these words, hes going to be a very good player. And letting him compete with Wilber and Carter. Thats how you get a good deep football team. allowing competition.

Ill leave it with these 3 rounds because thats where you expect your starters to come from and its still early.

Haven't seen Murphy play but if he compares to JJ Watt, then he could be an option. I think it was between Smith and Watt when we drafted Smith. I realize we need much help on defense, but I think we really need to look hard at the guard position in the 1st 3 rounds.

 

[jterrell]

Haven't seen Murphy play but if he compares to JJ Watt, then he could be an option. I think it was between Smith and Watt when we drafted Smith. I realize we need much help on defense, but I think we really need to look hard at the guard position in the 1st 3 rounds.

Murphy is far more Anthony Spencer than JJ Watt.
Not a bad choice in r1 but Watt is on a different level... and weighs 30 pounds more.

 

[xwalker]

It is also how you sign complete busts.

Guys are what they are. 1 big year sounds about like what got us to pay Miles Austin like he was a franchise WR.

We'll likely pull help out of the draft. That's where you can afford to speculate.

I referenced low to mid tier free agents. You reply with Miles Austin who got a contract that averaged over 9M. I don't see the correlation.

 

[LatinMind]

Murphy is far more Anthony Spencer than JJ Watt.
Not a bad choice in r1 but Watt is on a different level... and weighs 30 pounds more.

Was comparing how they play the game, not the talent. But lets be real, nobody thought Watt would be this good.

 

[Direwolf63]

In regards to free agent d-lineman, I would sign any linemen the Seahawks let walk, assuming they are affordable. Their backups (be it tackle or end) are better than anything this team has with Hatcher probably leaving.

 

[DBOY3141]

I'm curious to what happens with Henry Melton. Do the Bears franchise him again or if he walks how much interest will we show.

 

[LatinMind]

It is also how you sign complete busts.

Guys are what they are. 1 big year sounds about like what got us to pay Miles Austin like he was a franchise WR.

We'll likely pull help out of the draft. That's where you can afford to speculate.

3 yrs 6-7 mil total contract is nothing in todays nfl. Thats less then Church's contract. His first yr would equal to the vet minimum plus his prorated bonus. Which for a player like McDonald would be around 2-2.5 mil. Not risky at all.

Now on your argument about these players having 1 good yr on their rookie deals. Well they were both drafted in late rounds. Are they supposed to be instant stars? Brown is from Dallas. You dont think that would play into it if Dallas were to go calling? If teams would go by your logic of staying away from players with 1 good yr on their rookie deals FA wouldnt exsist.