Fasano WAS a need pick, stop the insanity

[jimmy40]

We're going to a two tight end set and had to have a tight end. Fasano is the perfect description of a need pick so stop running you're heads about how we don't draft for need like the Commanders. Some of you guys are making us look more stupid than Commander fans which I thought was impossible. Fasano may be a great pick but he WAS a need pick.

 

[iceberg]

We're going to a two tight end set and had to have a tight end. Fasano is the perfect description of a need pick so stop running you're heads about how we don't draft for need like the Commanders. Some of you guys are making us look more stupid than Commander fans which I thought was impossible. Fasano may be a great pick but he WAS a need pick.

when was the first time we heard of going to a 2 TE set?

for me, after we drafted another TE.

besides, the boys "infallible" management has already said it was BPA, NOT need - so trying to smoke it out as a "need" pick is a bit silly.

 

[jimmy40]

when was the first time we heard of going to a 2 TE set?

for me, after we drafted another TE.

besides, the boys "infallible" management has already said it was BPA, NOT need - so trying to smoke it out as a "need" pick is a bit silly.

So Dallas decided to go to a new offense between the time Fasano was drafted and JJ explained the pick? I would hope the Cowboys spent more time on this plan than those 5 minutes.

 

[iceberg]

So Dallas decided to go to a new offense between the time Fasano was drafted and JJ explained the pick? I would hope the Cowboys spent more time on this plan than those 5 minutes.

i would hope so too. but if we're moving to a two TE set then yes, TE would be a "need".

ireland crowed all around "we drafted BPA period!!!" so it must NOT be a need or this "infallible" braintrust lied.

but simply answer me - when was the 1st time you heard of us moving to a 2 TE set?

 

[Woods]

When JJ was on the Ticket, he was discussing this, and the decision to go to a 2 TE set was made some time ago.

It just wasn't leaked out . . . .

Of course, it depended upon if we could land a top quality TE in the Draft.

 

[theogt]

It was a need pick. You can't blame people for being PO'd about it though. Most fans STILL dont' even know we're changing offensive philosophy.

 

[iceberg]

When JJ was on the Ticket, he was discussing this, and the decision to go to a 2 TE set was made some time ago.

It just wasn't leaked out . . . .

Of course, it depended upon if we could land a top quality TE in the Draft.

then it's a need pick and not BPA like they're also shouting. my gripe isn't are we or aren't we, it's "which story are you trying to sell" cause they got conflicting "good news!" reports out there and look around - people are eating it up.

we get "good news!" reports every year at this time. i tend to wait it out before i cry HELL YA BABY - SUPERBOWL!!! like some.

 

[Typhus]

when was the first time we heard of going to a 2 TE set?

for me, after we drafted another TE.

besides, the boys "infallible" management has already said it was BPA, NOT need - so trying to smoke it out as a "need" pick is a bit silly.

Your frustrations are understandable Iceman, and supports the evaluation process. You gotta have opinions, both positive and negative inorder to eventually have an understanding or feel for a player chosen.
Trying to gleam the positive on the Fasano pic, is much easier than the Hatcher pic at this point, so lets start here.
Fasano was the 2nd rated TE on some boards, alot had Pope ahead, but that goes to show how brilliant the mediots are, since Pope slid, and slid after we chose Fasano.
Campbell was slowing and ineffective for the most part last season, and limited what we could do out of the 2 TE set, hence his departure.
Witten/Fassano will open up the playbook, and give this offense a new wrinkle or two, and keep defenses on their hills.
We were quite one diminsional last season, I dont think we were fooling anyone when we were going to run the ball. This should change now.
Not saying this was the sexy pic, but Ireland stuck to his board,, some will still argue that it was a reach, need, whatever,,, it is what it is, and I choose to look at the positives now as far as what his addition will bring to the offense. Just my 2 cents, for what its worth.

 

[iceberg]

It was a need pick. You can't blame people for being PO'd about it though. Most fans STILL dont' even know we're changing offensive philosophy.

cause they didn't leak it so how could we? did you know already? if it wasn't leaked then how did you know?

and we're changing it alright just not getting any younger or providing adequate help in the trenches. nice changes.

 

[theogt]

cause they didn't leak it so how could we? did you know already? if it wasn't leaked then how did you know?

and we're changing it alright just not getting any younger or providing adequate help in the trenches. nice changes.

Dude, I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying a lot of people STILL don't even know we're going to a two TE set.

They sure kept the wraps on this move. I had no idea. I don't think anyone did, especially our crack reporters in the Dallas area.

 

[Woods]

then it's a need pick and not BPA like they're also shouting. my gripe isn't are we or aren't we, it's "which story are you trying to sell" cause they got conflicting "good news!" reports out there and look around - people are eating it up.

we get "good news!" reports every year at this time. i tend to wait it out before i cry HELL YA BABY - SUPERBOWL!!! like some.

A lot of the issues you seem upset about were discussed at length on the Ticket.

They discussed guys like Colledge with Ireland, hypotheticals regarding guys like Ko Simpson, an information Q&A with JJ, etc.

For example,

JJ didn't want to trade out of 18 and lose Carpenter. I think it was Ireland who talked about Lawson. (It may have been JJ, don't remember.) But anyway, they didn't want to move Ware to the other side and felt Carpenter had the skills to play opposite Ware.

JJ stressed that Fasano was here to START. The change in offensive philosophy was similar to changing defensive philosophies. This was NOT a fly by night decision. JJ got the point across that even when BP LEAVES, we are sticking with the 3-4 for some time, as well as this offensive philosophy. There may not be a need for a FB on the roster. (Guess we'll find out.)

A lot of other stuff was discussed as well.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that there WAS a method to the madness. There was a clear rationale. Now, some fans may not LIKE it, but there IS a plan.

 

[big dog cowboy]

We're going to a two tight end set and had to have a tight end. Fasano is the perfect description of a need pick so stop running you're heads about how we don't draft for need like the Commanders. Some of you guys are making us look more stupid than Commander fans which I thought was impossible. Fasano may be a great pick but he WAS a need pick.

Good post. We didn't know we needed another TE 24 hours ago. Now that I understand the plan, this kid looks pretty promising. Everything I read about him makes me like this pick even more.

 

[iceberg]

Dude, I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying a lot of people STILL don't even know we're going to a two TE set.

They sure kept the wraps on this move. I had no idea. I don't think anyone did, especially our crack reporters in the Dallas area.

sorry man - my misread then.

and typhus - in the end fasano could well be a genious pick. i just find the need for BP to snag another familiar type player as funny but that's not fasano's fault. i do think we got hannam from seattle, but i just don't know that much about him.

i hope fasano works out well. i really do as he does seem to have some valid potential. i just find the reasons for taking him conflicting.

bpa or 2 te set? we were given both and factually that's impossible.

 

[iceberg]

A lot of the issues you seem upset about were discussed at length on the Ticket.

They discussed guys like Colledge with Ireland, hypotheticals regarding guys like Ko Simpson, an information Q&A with JJ, etc.

For example,

JJ didn't want to trade out of 18 and lose Carpenter. I think it was Ireland who talked about Lawson. (It may have been JJ, don't remember.) But anyway, they didn't want to move Ware to the other side and felt Carpenter had the skills to play opposite Ware.

JJ stressed that Fasano was here to START. The change in offensive philosophy was similar to changing defensive philosophies. This was NOT a fly by night decision. JJ got the point across that even when BP LEAVES, we are sticking with the 3-4 for some time, as well as this offensive philosophy. There may not be a need for a FB on the roster. (Guess we'll find out.)

A lot of other stuff was discussed as well.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that there WAS a method to the madness. There was a clear rationale. Now, some fans may not LIKE it, but there IS a plan.

and i long for the day we can plan for the future w/o parcells past being the guiding light. : )

 

[theogt]

JJ stressed that Fasano was here to START. The change in offensive philosophy was similar to changing defensive philosophies. This was NOT a fly by night decision. JJ got the point across that even when BP LEAVES, we are sticking with the 3-4 for some time, as well as this offensive philosophy. There may not be a need for a FB on the roster. (Guess we'll find out.)

I was sure happy to hear him say this.

 

[JaiRiid]

as a die hard fan, i really didnt care if we were going to have a fullback or TE on the field as the last position other than TO, Witten, Julius, and Glenn... i'm definite this isnt the first time we didn't know exactly what was going on with the Cowboys organization.

 

[Jaxonsdaddd]

I think the Fasano pick is a good move after thinking about for a night. Lets face it, L. Polite was not brining anything to the offense so lets move to a two tight end set and now we have two good ones with Witten and Fasano.

He will be one of the eleven on the field and is a starter. I dont understand people frustrations on this pick. If we were still running last years offense then It would not make any sense with Witten here. But he is going to be a starter now in this scheme.

I believe they wanted to go to a two tight end set but wouldnt commit to it until they had the personal to do so. Once Fasano was there, they could officially make the switch

 

[big dog cowboy]

when was the first time we heard of going to a 2 TE set?

for me, after we drafted another TE.

besides, the boys "infallible" management has already said it was BPA, NOT need - so trying to smoke it out as a "need" pick is a bit silly.

Well, they are not going to come out before the draft and say they are going to a 2 TE set and need to draft one in the 2nd round. Ireland said last night we drafted the BPA with every pick. In each round it worked out well that was a position the Cowboys wanted to upgrade. JJ said we looked at OL in round 2 but couldn't get into a position to draft one where we thought he should be taken.

 

[Woods]

I was sure happy to hear him say this.

Me too!

JJ stressed it's not good for a football team to keep flip flopping between schemes. THANK GOD.
:laugh2:

 

[iceberg]

again if we move to a 2 TE set, TE is a "need" *NOT* BPA.

they're doing a double-sell and many seem to just skim over it.