Feasible???

[BigDFan5]

Who's the real GM, Jerry or BP. Now if Parcells said no lineman than I'd believe it. Besides Jerry might be blowing smoke. Teams never say who they are really intrested in. Ware was not even interviewed by the Cowboys and they gave Merriman alot of attention.

Ware was interviewed by the Cowboys, when was the last time a Parcells team drafted OLine in rd 1?

 

[neosapien23]

No Ware was never interviewed. He said that he was really surprised the Cowboys didn't talk to him. I'm not saying your not right about taking a tackle in the first, but never say never. Maybe Parcells is having a change of heart after seeing his 2nd and 3rd round lineman flop. Johnson, Rogers, and to a certain extent Peterman.

 

[BigDFan5]

No Ware was never interviewed. He said that he was really surprised the Cowboys didn't talk to him. I'm not saying your not right about taking a tackle in the first, but never say never. Maybe Parcells is having a change of heart after seeing his 2nd and 3rd round lineman flop. Johnson, Rogers, and to a certain extent Peterman.

We talked to ware at the combine last year.

So since parcells is worried about his OLine draft picks flopping he will take one higher? We will get a RT in FA

 

[neosapien23]

We talked to ware at the combine last year.

So since parcells is worried about his OLine draft picks flopping he will take one higher? We will get a RT in FA

Once and that was it. Everyone thought Merriman was going to be our pick. I would like FA linemen that are young. Barry and Bentley. No to Ashworth and Runyan. I would rather have a 1st round tackle than those two.

 

[BigDFan5]

Once and that was it. Everyone thought Merriman was going to be our pick. I would like FA linemen that are young. Barry and Bentley. No to Ashworth and Runyan. I would rather have a 1st round tackle than those two.

We only interviewed Merriman once also. Alot of people had us taking Ware over Merriman. Goose, Dr Z among others

If you are looking for a first round tackle you are going to be disappointed IMO

 

[AbeBeta]

Last year Jerry said same thing, he says it every year and we havent taken one yet. As deep as OT is he will look at the in rd 2

It was though somewhat widely reported that we would have taken Shawn Andrews had he still been on the board in '03. He's an OT.

 

[BigDFan5]

It was though somewhat widely reported that we would have taken Shawn Andrews had he still been on the board in '03. He's an OT.

I heard that from some media, but never from anyone inside the organization.

 

[AbeBeta]

I heard that from some media, but never from anyone inside the organization.

when was the last time you heard something like that from inside the organization?

 

[AbeBeta]

If you are looking for a first round tackle you are going to be disappointed IMO

I think Jerry's comments should be read as "we aren't looking for a left tackle"

All the guys who go in the first have LT potential -- The organizational philosophy seems more like "want an RT? draft an RT -- not an LT" -- why use a 1st and then under utilize the guy? I believe that Jerrry and Bill both feel that mid-first is no place RTs and guys on the o-line interior.

we can fill the RT need in the 2nd -- if we don't pick up someone as an FA.

 

[Big Country]

If the Cowboys could land McNeil, Lawson, and Spencer or Mangold that would go a long way for the Oline.
1. McNeil
1. Lawson
2. Spencer/Mangold Depending on what BP thinks is a bigger need.

If the Cowboys signed free agent linemen like Barry and Bentley than obviously our needs would change to QB, WR, and then FS. Thats why I listed other possible picks. Greg Ellis's trade value is somewhere around a 2nd. If we trade him and next years first for a number 1 pick this year, we could land someone who could contribute now rather than later. If Cutler was there he might be an intriguing possibility as well. The way I look at it we would be trading a first round pick for another first round pick. Ellis is a good player, but it is obvious that he might become a problem. He does not want to be a "rotational" player and still views himself as a starter and he is not wrong with his assessment. He will not be happy playing for Parcells next year.

Did you mean OT Barry from the Packers??? I'd bet that Bentley is going to be a franchise player... signs just point to it... I do see your reasoning now... I'm just thinking the way I am due to a boatload of offensive linemen in this draft. Youth is a priority and it would be less expensive than getting free agents. Only time will tell. Dallas needs trenchmen not aviators.

 

[neosapien23]

Did you mean OT Barry from the Packers??? I'd bet that Bentley is going to be a franchise player... signs just point to it... I do see your reasoning now... I'm just thinking the way I am due to a boatload of offensive linemen in this draft. Youth is a priority and it would be less expensive than getting free agents. Only time will tell. Dallas needs trenchmen not aviators.

Yes Kevin Barry from the Packers. Not too sure about Bentley getting frachised. Someone pointed out that linemen all recieve the same amount on the frachise tag. Bentley would recieve the same pay as the top paid Olinemen in the NFL not top center pay. Not sure the Saints would want to pay Bentley tackle money under the frachise tag if they couldn't resign him. Benson has a reputation for being cheap. He let Willie Roaf leave despite him being one of the best OTs in the game. I agree with your assessment. It all starts with the Oline.

 

[AbeBeta]

Yes Kevin Barry from the Packers.

barry is like the Pack's Andre Gurode. only at tackle not guard.

 

[neosapien23]

barry is like the Pack's Andre Gurode. only at tackle not guard.

I don't know about that. He didn't give up alot of sacks this year despite having to come off the bench. I may be alone in this, but Gurode is a better lineman at this point in his career than Rivera. I wouldn't mind resigning him and letting him take over LAs spot if he won't take a pay cut.

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't know about that. He didn't give up alot of sacks this year despite having to come off the bench. I may be alone in this, but Gurode is a better lineman at this point in his career than Rivera. I wouldn't mind resigning him and letting him take over LAs spot if he won't take a pay cut.

Barry didn't give up a lot of sacks because he only had one start.

 

[neosapien23]

Barry didn't give up a lot of sacks because he only had one start.

I thought he made seven starts due to an injury to one of the starters. I tried to look up his starts on a few sites but couldn't find anything. Where did you discover that he only made one start?

 

[AbeBeta]

I thought he made seven starts due to an injury to one of the starters. I tried to look up his starts on a few sites but couldn't find anything. Where did you discover that he only made one start?

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/303025
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/303025
http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=6150&Submit=Go
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6150/

GS = Games Started

 

[neosapien23]

Thanks. He might be cheap then. Back to the original question. Would a team trade their 1 pick this year for Greg Ellis and a number 1 pick next year? And if they would, would you guys take that trade?