Felix, Choice, and Ware: 2 opinions fans won't like

Chuck 54

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1. Tashard Choice is a more valuable RB to the Cowboys than Felix Jones. Jones is apparently made of glass. Anyone who saw a couple of the moves he put on last night had to be excited, but I swear...every time the guy has a decent play and gets tackled at the end of it, he gets up slowly and limps off the field. Jones doesn't look to be a guy who will become an every down back...he doesn't even get hit hard, but he just comes apart...it's very frustrating. Those who wanted to argue with me last week that he was better than Reggie Bush? Sorry...and now we see why he isn't in the passing game. He can't block very well, so it would appear that's why Choice had been the 3rd down guy the first two weeks.

I love Felix Jones, but even as a change of pace back, if he can't hold together better than he has thus far in his career, that's a first round pick that will disappoint in the long run. Choice, on the other hand, is a very valuable commodity...here's a guy who's been the final man standing twice already in his career, and he delivers again and again as a runner and receiver. This guy gets every possible yard out of a play and has great vision "in the hole", darting here and there into before unseen little gaps and openings while Felix often runs into his blockers and has to start again.

Don't get me wrong, Felix Jones brings something to the table that Barber and Choice do not...but right now, the way Felix Jones seems to get dinged every time he's in the game for any significant action, I'd rather see him on the shelf than Choice. Choice is a critical guy for the Cowboys because when Barber goes down for a game, a stretch of games, or even the season, I have total confidence in Choice. If Felix was the only healthy running back left, I'd be worried about our season...I have a feeling the coaches would be as well.

2. I will continue to ask, "What's wrong with DeMarcus Ware?" until I get an answer. After watching him last night, closely for the first time this season, it seems apparent that he's not the same guy, and it has nothing to do with getting double and triple teamed....he was controlled by the OT alone most of the game. Watch the tape again, focused on him if you weren't last night. On many plays, he just stands there looking at the OT when he sees the guy has position on him...it's almost like he doesn't have the same motor as last year. Tell me this, forget about the pass rush, when was the last time you saw Ware make a tackle across the field or hustle downfield and smack the ball carrier or receiver from behind? IN the past, he seemed to be all over the field, not just pass rushing...he seemed to have a motor that wouldn't stop and he would not be denied...he was making tackles everywhere. Here's another point to consider: last year it was frustrating when he would get those offsides calls because he was getting off the ball so quickly, anticipating the count, and the talk was about whether he was actually offsides or so quick the refs were blowing it....last night he seemed like he was usually the last guy to even move when the ball was snapped. He was back a little and he just wasn't quick off the ball at all...and for a guy who relies on speed to get to the QB, that's not a good sign.

So what's up with him? Has he made an effort to slow down and avoid the offsides call? Is he injured? Is he leaving his wreckless abandon at home until he gets a new contract? If you think I'm crazy, rewatch the tape...Ware was late getting off the snap most of the night. He just doesn't look like the same guy. Victor Butler?....forget the fact that he got the 2 sacks at the end, just watch how quick he got off the ball to beat the OT...you'll think it's Ware from last year.

On a side note....I said this was going to be a very tough game. No team wants to go 0-3, and Carolina has the talent to give you fits when they are focused...that was a great win and a great 2nd half performance. Flozell finally got his falst start penalty this year, and he got called for a legit, but ticky-tack, holding call last night. Still, Adams dominated his man most of the night and didn't let Peppers do much of anything...he really blocked well and should be recognized for it.

Thank goodness we have a backup running back like Tashard Choice, and thank goodness we have an OLB like Ware, but whatever's wrong with DWare, I hope it gets better, or it's going to be a long year and there won't be any discussion about him being the best defensive player in the league this year because through 3 games, he's certainly not producing.
 

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the answer to Ware is simple.....he needs a blow throughout the game. If the coaches had got their heads out their *** on the last drive against the Giants, and put some fresh bodies in, we migiht have won that game. I don't care what your name is on the back of your shirt, a big name going 50% is not better than a no name going 100% Just look at the last drive, the Cowboys put a fresh body in the game and the guy had more sacks and turnovers in 5 plays than the Cowboys defense had the ENTIRE YEAR GOING INTO THAT GAME!!
 

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bbailey423;2977588 said:
the answer to Ware is simple.....he needs a blow throughout the game. If the coaches had got their heads out their *** on the last drive against the Giants, and put some fresh bodies in, we migiht have won that game. I don't care what your name is on the back of your shirt, a big name going 50% is not better than a no name going 100% Just look at the last drive, the Cowboys put a fresh body in the game and the guy had more sacks and turnovers in 5 plays than the Cowboys defense had the ENTIRE YEAR GOING INTO THAT GAME!!
The OP's original 2 points are inarguable right now.

Ware needs a blow? He looked like that in the first quarter. He looks tired one series into the game. He looks dead-legged. He has all 3 games.

The contract thing may have him thinking about things other than football. Or maybe Wade has him thinking about too many thigns. Because if that isn't it, then he's either injured or woefully out of shape. He has no burst or pep right now. Most plays he doesn't just get blocked, he gets whipped. And even when he does diagnose a play properly, as he did a draw last night, he doesn't have the juice to chase it down like in the past.
 

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I think the "stinger" that Ware got in TB is limiting him more than anyone is letting on. He doesn;t have the same leverage or push. That is the only thing I could think of.

He is wearing extra padding in the neck area under his shoulder pads as well.

Hopefully he will get back to his old self....soon.
 

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agree on felix and tashard choice.TC is going to stay in dallas longer than felix.
lets give Ware more till the bye and see if he can get back to his old self.
 

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Ware has very limited techniques. He either tries to blow past a defender or bull rush him. He needs to work on his counters and at least add a spin move to his repertoire.

That being said, he is still the best 3-4 linebacker in the game. I fully expect him to notch 12-15 sacks this year because of both his talent and the scheme he plays in.
 

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The opinion around here was that we should of signed Ware in the off season and given him all the Money he wanted 100 milion +.. I said wait until this season is over.. See how he does.. Injuries happen.. He's under contract.. He could wind up with only 5 sacks... I got roasted over a fire... I love Ware but Jerry has all the leverage..
 

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JBell523;2977725 said:
I can't believe p*** is censored.
It seems to be a glitch in the filter. It never has been before yesterday.

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I think Ware has two things working against him.
First, he has to be injured. He doesn't look as powerful as he was during the preseason!
Second, I think he is worrying too much about getting an off-sides penalty.
 

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If you were watching Ware so closely, than you should've noticed that he appeared conscience of the draw or delay runs. Many times he began a bullrush, and backed off to the hole the draw was supposed to run into.

How do you stop or at least slow down a pass rush? Draw plays right at them, screen passes, or 3 step drops. How many quick slants did the Panthers throw last night? How many near misses does Ware have this season? He's getting pressure, last year he made the tackle this year he's been a tick too late... there is nothing to see here.
 

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Hostile;2977735 said:
It seems to be a glitch in the filter. It never has been before yesterday.

pass

Ahh... I thought he was dissin Demarcus at first, callin his pass rush a p_ss rush... but I was like nawww.
 

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great post wayne: agree 100% with everything you said: ware continually bull rushed Gross to NO avail last night. Had no outside spin or swim moves: tells me his neck is giving him problems: the one he tweaked in week one. He was very avg. last night: we need him at 100%........



Hey Canadian Boyz fan....that's interesting but I thought the same thing last night watching him play. He's costing himself MILLIONS. I gotta think JJ should hit him with the franchise tag and see what happens. If he plays great in 2010: no harm no foul: sign him big. If not....................
 

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I'd understand the lukewarm attitude toward Felix Jones if he was averaging five yards a carry, but he averages almost a first down every time he is handed the ball. That kind of mind-blowing productivity should buy him a lot of patience from the organization and the fans. I'm not sure he can ever be a 250-carry back, but he approach 1,000 yards on as low as 150 carries. That's just crazy productivity.
 

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I think Ware was keying run fairly often last night, and for good reason. Carolina started the game throwing quick passes - automatics and three step drops. In that case, it doesn't make a lot of sense to press upfield and take yourself out of run defense. Looked to me like he was trying not to engage at times to provide backside pursuit, as Carolina was running away from him most carries.

On the play where Ware beats the TE and hits Delhomme, it was another quick throw, and the TE only has to slow him down a little but couldn't even do that.

On Rat's sack, Ware had turned the corner on Gross and surely would have gotten there if Rat hadn't. There was a sack by Butler when Ware was there right behind him. There was also the sack he narrowly missed when he nearly got Delhomme by the collar and then his ankle.

I think he's playing OK. Delhomme doesn't look like he's got the ability to throw down the field, and the Panthers' game plan reflected that. I think the only downfield plays they ran were basically lobs to Muhammad.
 

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wick;2977878 said:
I'd understand the lukewarm attitude toward Felix Jones if he was averaging five yards a carry, but he averages almost a first down every time he is handed the ball. That kind of mind-blowing productivity should buy him a lot of patience from the organization and the fans. I'm not sure he can ever be a 250-carry back, but he approach 1,000 yards on as low as 150 carries. That's just crazy productivity.

But it is affecting his running with all these injuries... he was suposed to be our home run hitter, and so far he's only hitting doubles. He's been caught from behind at least twice so far this year. Last night, RW11 put his hands up when Felix got around the corner, then realized he wasn't gonna make it to the endzone. What happened to his top end speed... he has the burst through the line, but he's not out running DBs like we expected...
 
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