Final Review of Parsons / Williams Trade

[kskboys]

Quennin is not at that same level and is not on a HOF trajectory. He’s just not.

I am and have been a fan since he came into the league but let’s not get carried away.

Maybe maybe not. However, if Q had been on a complete D, say BALT(at the time) or NE or SF, he might well be on a HOF trajectory. Don't underrate the votes gained from being on a good team.

What Q does for a D is more valuable than an edge rusher, however you do have to have good edge rushers. I've seen a lot of good from EZ, so if he can be 80% of what Micah was, good trade.

 

[Ranching]

OK, but a couple things. Q is also playing at a HOF level. And I don't consider it the 2nd most valuable position. Why? Because the DE position is way too dependent on the DT position, as the QB can simply step up to avoid the edge rush if the DTs don't push the pocket. I consider the DT position to be the most important position on D, as it affects every other position in a way no other position on D does.

I know, I know, they posted that little thingie stating that CBs and edge rushers are the 2 most important positions on D. And yet, the super bowl participants invariably have great DTs, and often average DEs. I mean, you can't suck at DE, don't get me wrong, but DT is simply more important.

That and Parsons is not a true DE. Great at putting on blinders and getting after the QB, doesn't worry about rhe run game. His career will be like a RB, lots of bang, for a short time. I'd use him at LB and have him play all over the field, DE included....on passing downs, certainly not on running downs. He's gone, so good riddance....if Jerry had signed him, they'd be criticizing the move. Let it go

 

[kskboys]

Quinnen’s kind of in a grey area right now. He was previously all-pro, but he hasn’t played up to that level aside from that one season. Still a perennial pro bowler, but in the era of Aaron Donald and Chris Jones and Dexter Lawrence… that’s a lot closer to a Jeffrey Simmons or a Leonard Williams. For players like him, team success is what’s gonna ultimately get him over the top if he does make the hall.

Take Kevin Williams: 311 lb 3-tech, five time first team all-pro. retired after 2015, not a hall of famer in large part because he just didn’t matter after december

If Quinnen helps Dallas make some NFCCG’s and even a SB while maintaining this pro bowl level, I could definitely see him getting in after a long career. But if it continues to play out like it did in NYJ or how Dallas has in recent times…. Tough to say he’s outdoing Kevin Williams or Fletcher Cox who I’m also not sure makes it in

Very well done, and great examples.

It's very hard for any Lineman, O or D, to get in the HOF anyway.

Mario Williams, there's another. A stellar DT/3-4 DE for his career, he was mostly hidden on a bad Houston team, and then played for BUFF before they got good.

 

[DFWJC]

Not sure how you can have a "final review" of results of a trade with both players and many future draft picks involved.....just a few weeks in.

 

[kskboys]

That and Parsons is not a true DE. Great at putting on blinders and getting after the QB, doesn't worry about rhe run game. His career will be like a RB, lots of bang, for a short time. I'd use him at LB and have him play all over the field, DE included....on passing downs, certainly not on running downs. He's gone, so good riddance....if Jerry had signed him, they'd be criticizing the move. Let it go

Agree on all counts.

 

[Pass2Run]

For the sake of argument, lets say that the Cowboys and Packers draft picks are locked in at 14 and 24 for the next two drafts. Cowboys essentially traded up from the 2nd round to the 1st round this year and traded down in the 1st round next year.

Trading up from the 2nd round to 24th has a value of 329 points. Trading down from 14 to 24 had a value of 274. The difference in value is 55 points, which does not even equate to a 7th round pick.

So at the end of the day, the Parsons trade equated to Williams and Clark. Would you have traded Parsons for Williams and Clark??

If we keep Clark on the roster after this year then there are no cap savings. If we cut him then it is a straight up trade, Parsons for Williams, with potential for cap savings.

Fans got what they wanted. Expect the Cowboys to draft a DE round 1 in 2026.

 

[kskboys]

Fans got what they wanted. Expect the Cowboys to draft a DE round 1 in 2026.

Hope not. Because that would mean EZ didn't keep on getting better.

 

[Pass2Run]

Maybe maybe not. However, if Q had been on a complete D, say BALT(at the time) or NE or SF, he might well be on a HOF trajectory. Don't underrate the votes gained from being on a good team.

What Q does for a D is more valuable than an edge rusher, however you do have to have good edge rushers. I've seen a lot of good from EZ, so if he can be 80% of what Micah was, good trade.

The fact they drafted EZ indicates they had trading him in mind. Just a matter of when.

Micah wanted out of Dallas, so they shipped his sleepy arse out..

 

[kskboys]

The fact they drafted EZ indicates they had trading him in mind. Just a matter of when.

Micah wanted out of Dallas, so they shipped his sleepy arse out..

Yup. I was trying to tell my football buds this as soon as we drafted EZ. I mean, he's a carbon copy of the type of player Parsons is at DE, so drafting him made no sense unless Parsons was gone.

BTW, EZ was considered the best edge rusher of his draft class. I think we got a steal, who will break out in a big way when we get just a bit more talent in here on D. He's already looked better since Clowney started playing.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Hope not. Because that would mean EZ didn't keep on getting better.

The passing of Marshawn though may change their strategy. Who is the depth behind Eze in 2026, 2027? Sam Williams? Do you keep paying Fowler?

When you had Tank Lawrence, you still went Micah round 1. When you had Amari, you still when CD round 1. It’d be good to have a highly touted guy on each edge

 

[Rayman70]

We did alright. Good trade. A win win for both teams.

 

[kskboys]

The passing of Marshawn though may change their strategy. Who is the depth behind Eze in 2026, 2027? Sam Williams? Do you keep paying Fowler?

When you had Tank Lawrence, you still went Micah round 1. When you had Amari, you still when CD round 1. It’d be good to have a highly touted guy on each edge

Good, tough questions. Right now, Clowney is filling that position at a very high level.

The good thing is, that strong side DE position is not as hard to fill. You can often find quality in rounds 3-5 or in FA at not too steep of a price.

 

[blueblood70]

For the sake of argument, lets say that the Cowboys and Packers draft picks are locked in at 14 and 24 for the next two drafts. Cowboys essentially traded up from the 2nd round to the 1st round this year and traded down in the 1st round next year.

Trading up from the 2nd round to 24th has a value of 329 points. Trading down from 14 to 24 had a value of 274. The difference in value is 55 points, which does not even equate to a 7th round pick.

So at the end of the day, the Parsons trade equated to Williams and Clark. Would you have traded Parsons for Williams and Clark??

If we keep Clark on the roster after this year then there are no cap savings. If we cut him then it is a straight up trade, Parsons for Williams, with potential for cap savings.

It's none of those things it can't be final there is no final review there's still another pick to be used what if they take that other first rounder they still have left by the way which you're ignoring and they turned it into a couple more picks Possibly you get four starters from it if they keep Clark?

You're not really going to be able to judge this until like 2027 need to find out what players were taken it is not a straight up trade... Still using Clark and Williams this year and even if he's not here next year Clark that we're talking about it's not a trade for Parsons for Quinn and Williams we still have a 1st round pick and there was also savings we're not having a defensive end that's making $45 million against our cap You basically can get Clark and Williams for that price if they choose to restructure whatever.

Mean you're calling it a final review and there's still things to be determined what they do with the other 1st round pick.... We have two first round picks this year our own and theirs that we got from them wherever that lands you can probably turn that pick into a 2nd and 3rd and get that back but having the extra money also makes you be able to maybe keep J will our running back and or George Pickens there's a lot of things that happen with this trade that you're just trying to sweep under the rug this is not a straight up trade at all there are a lot of moving pieces money draft picks that kind of thing.

So yeah next offseason we'll see where a lot of this actually went but now you're gonna have to wait till the draft pick plays how Quinn and Williams looks within our team there's so many things to out there this is ridiculous it's nowhere near a final review let's talk in 2027 that will be the final review....

 

[blueblood70]

The fact they drafted EZ indicates they had trading him in mind. Just a matter of when.

Micah wanted out of Dallas, so they shipped his sleepy arse out..

No it didn't, Not at all ,you're way off base,

they wanted to keep him, and they didn't, if they knew they might trade him t,hey would never have let Tank, and Golsten go...

I don't even think they would have let Lewis go, they would have looked at the defense and say OK we're letting our best defender go we better keep some of these guys, so no EZE was the future replacement for tank etc ..we lost tank, Golston and Armstrong plus fowler before he came back..


That's pretty easy to deduce that is what he was here for along with the late Marshawn who passed these were the future guys replacing the guys we've lost over the last couple of years, not Parsons, that was never the plan, and you're going to have to argue with me till you're blue in the face because I'm saying it never was a plan to lose him...

That is why they drafted easy nothing had to do with Parsons that happened out of tough circumstances egos got in the way it became too big a problem even for Jerry he decided that he had enough it blew up it was never intended for him not to be here there isn't a single sign that pointed the fact that they were going to trade him ever.​

Truly believe had he accepted that 40-42 5year deal, He's still here they turned it down, they got uglier ,they got more demanding, the price went up, the years got shorter ,the antics off the field on the tables the way he was acting at training camp, his body language, it built up until it exploded, it was just not planned at all.....

 

[TwentyOne]

For the sake of argument, lets say that the Cowboys and Packers draft picks are locked in at 14 and 24 for the next two drafts. Cowboys essentially traded up from the 2nd round to the 1st round this year and traded down in the 1st round next year.

Trading up from the 2nd round to 24th has a value of 329 points. Trading down from 14 to 24 had a value of 274. The difference in value is 55 points, which does not even equate to a 7th round pick.

So at the end of the day, the Parsons trade equated to Williams and Clark. Would you have traded Parsons for Williams and Clark??

If we keep Clark on the roster after this year then there are no cap savings. If we cut him then it is a straight up trade, Parsons for Williams, with potential for cap savings.

No i wouldnt have traded Parsons for Williams and Clark.

And as i already wrote several times the Parsons deal was a bad one. And the Williams one even worse. Stick it together and you get an outcome where you essentially trade an great pass rusher for an very good to great three tech.

Thats how you have to approach deals if you want to be one of the worst franchises in the NFL. And for decades now it seems that is the inhouse goal around here.

GO JONESES!!!!


Edit: you cant factor in the salaries to make the deal look better. Parsons is the top paid pass rusher. Where Williams is also one of the top paid DTs. You can only compare salaries if we had saved money compared to other players at the position.

You sleep for years. Wake up, are under pressure. Thats when those deals happen.

Again: GO JONESES!!!!

 

[J-man]

For the sake of argument, lets say that the Cowboys and Packers draft picks are locked in at 14 and 24 for the next two drafts. Cowboys essentially traded up from the 2nd round to the 1st round this year and traded down in the 1st round next year.

Trading up from the 2nd round to 24th has a value of 329 points. Trading down from 14 to 24 had a value of 274. The difference in value is 55 points, which does not even equate to a 7th round pick.

So at the end of the day, the Parsons trade equated to Williams and Clark. Would you have traded Parsons for Williams and Clark??

If we keep Clark on the roster after this year then there are no cap savings. If we cut him then it is a straight up trade, Parsons for Williams, with potential for cap savings.

FYI, 55 points is a 4th rd pick.

 

[atlantacowboy]

For the sake of argument, lets say that the Cowboys and Packers draft picks are locked in at 14 and 24 for the next two drafts. Cowboys essentially traded up from the 2nd round to the 1st round this year and traded down in the 1st round next year.

Trading up from the 2nd round to 24th has a value of 329 points. Trading down from 14 to 24 had a value of 274. The difference in value is 55 points, which does not even equate to a 7th round pick.

So at the end of the day, the Parsons trade equated to Williams and Clark. Would you have traded Parsons for Williams and Clark??

If we keep Clark on the roster after this year then there are no cap savings. If we cut him then it is a straight up trade, Parsons for Williams, with potential for cap savings.

You're giving the organization too much credit. You cannot conflate these trades and pretend that it was part A and B of a plan. We had no choice but to trade Parson bc Jerry wasn't going to move off his handshake deal behind the agents back, but it should have been handled last spring when we could have had more bidders for Micah and more compensation. So, how do you account for the lost draft capital due to the poor timing of the trade?

Q would have been a great signing if we were in contention right now. And, oh by the way, he wants a new deal that is going to reset the DT market. That's why the Jets were so eager to trade him. You going to factor his new contract in there while making your even cap swap or cap savings argument?

 

[foofighters]

For the sake of argument, lets say that the Cowboys and Packers draft picks are locked in at 14 and 24 for the next two drafts. Cowboys essentially traded up from the 2nd round to the 1st round this year and traded down in the 1st round next year.

Trading up from the 2nd round to 24th has a value of 329 points. Trading down from 14 to 24 had a value of 274. The difference in value is 55 points, which does not even equate to a 7th round pick.

So at the end of the day, the Parsons trade equated to Williams and Clark. Would you have traded Parsons for Williams and Clark??

If we keep Clark on the roster after this year then there are no cap savings. If we cut him then it is a straight up trade, Parsons for Williams, with potential for cap savings.

There is no final review. This thing will be talked about until the end of time. For many members here, it will be like Citizen Kane. Instead of "Rosebud" it will be, "Parson's Trade..."

 

[Ring6]

oh good, glad its finally the final review. I'm sure there will be no further reviews now, thanks.

 

[foofighters]

For the sake of argument, lets say that the Cowboys and Packers draft picks are locked in at 14 and 24 for the next two drafts. Cowboys essentially traded up from the 2nd round to the 1st round this year and traded down in the 1st round next year.

Trading up from the 2nd round to 24th has a value of 329 points. Trading down from 14 to 24 had a value of 274. The difference in value is 55 points, which does not even equate to a 7th round pick.

So at the end of the day, the Parsons trade equated to Williams and Clark. Would you have traded Parsons for Williams and Clark??

If we keep Clark on the roster after this year then there are no cap savings. If we cut him then it is a straight up trade, Parsons for Williams, with potential for cap savings.

You're also forgetting something. Managing people. You are strictly looking at Performance. It's not that easy. As someone in charge, you may have people that are very good at what they do but you have to decide if that's worth the drama they bring to the workplace. You can't really place a "number" to that unless you are the one in charge and dealing with the day-to-day issues.

I do not like Jerry Jones and I never will. However, I believe he did the right thing here and I hate that taste it leaves in my mouth saying that but he's right in my opinion.