Finally the truth comes out, Eagles/Chip's offense

[khiladi]

It's not like the Eagles didn't gift the Chiefs fumbles in the red-zone and a fumble when the center throws the ball off his own butt after Vick scrambled for like 50 yards. Just as other teams adjust, they'll adapt.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I watched Syracuse run this offense last year under Marrone and it worked wonders with a SU squad that was severely out-gunned on offense.

The offense works, but not in the way that Kelly is using it. Marrone has the right idea.

First, it's an offense that helps you run a more conservative traditional scheme. You need to have a pocket passing QB that is good at finding the rush and avoiding it. And you need at least 2 RB's that will split the carries.

The Bills carries have been split likes this:

Spiller: 35 carries
Jackson: 29 carries
Manuel: 7 carries

OTOH, the Eagles carries have been split like this:

McCoy: 62 carries
Vick: 19 carries
Brown: 15 carries

What Marrone has done is use the offense to make it easier on Manuel, Spiller and Jackson. Now they can run a 2-RB offense but without the downfall of those running backs that tend to 'need to get carries' in order to get warmed up. And for Manuel, the pace of the offense gives the defense less time to make changes and disguise blitzes and coverages.

With Kelly, he's already quickly burning out McCoy. Vick is getting hit way too often because he's running the ball so much and the read option packages make him prone to being hit. And Vick isn't a pocket passer that can avoid the rush.

In the end, I like the fast paced offense, but all it really does is allow the offense to dictate the pace of the game. Which is nice, but it's not the game changer that people thought it was going to be, even with the 'packaged plays.' In fact, it appears all you really have to do is press the WR's and play lots of man-to-man. If you can do that and set up some blitzes quickly enough...the Eagles are going to have trouble handling it.





YR

 

[Rockytop6]

One thing that is very clear. Washington has NO defense whatsoever. We should be able to put up at least 14 points on them.

Maybe!

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Well hopefully now the media will get off of the Chip Kelly bandwagon. I knew the Washington game was a farce. Their O widdled down against San Diego, then disappeared last night.

What are you going to focus on now, ESPN? A system only works if you have good players to run it.

Without McCoy, that offense doesn't score at all. It's only a matter of time until he goes to IR since he's being overused (bad knees).

I'm extremely happy today!!!

How exactly did their O "widdle down" against SD? Vick threw for 428 yards and 2 scores and ran for another.

You want the truth? The truth is KC's D is really really good.. as you should have already known after we went against them the previous week.

 

[bayeslife]

I think people got enamored after week 1 because of the beating they put on Washington. Completely overlooking the fact that they have no WR's outside of Desean Jackson and their offensive line is still a liability.

But just as you can't get too high from week 1 you can't get too low on them after week 3. Not every team has the kind of defense and pass rush that KC does. WIth their subpar OL if you can get to the QB quickly with the way they spread the defense out without blitzing you can slow down their offense. But Chip Kelly is a very smart coach and will adapt. Any Cowboys fan that brushes him off because KC beat him will have a rude awakening over the next few years once he has a chance to implement his system and get his players.

The Eagles have many holes, but their offensive line is not one of them. Peters-Herremans-Kelce-Mathis-Johnson

Honestly the weak leak of that line is Evan Mathis, but other than that they are very stout.

 

[Staubacher]

How exactly did their O "widdle down" against SD? Vick threw for 428 yards and 2 scores and ran for another.

You want the truth? The truth is KC's D is really really good.. as you should have already known after we went against them the previous week.

Yup. KC has a really good defense. That's why I haven't felt like he played horrible on offense or had a bad game plan. The strategy was sound and without the fumble/drop we put up 22-30 points on them in their house. Add to that we played with lousy field position all game - they are hard to put long sustained drives on.

The Rams game will prove to people (those who want to see and not just complain) that we are truly an improved team

 

[OhSnap]

How exactly did their O "widdle down" against SD? Vick threw for 428 yards and 2 scores and ran for another.

You want the truth? The truth is KC's D is really really good.. as you should have already known after we went against them the previous week.

The KC game looked like the Seattle game last year when all the sudden fans realized they were good and it looked like the SF game the year before when people complained that we barely beat them. KC let Jared Allen go yet still has manged to have a tough defense, they doin somethin right.

 

[maxdallasfan]

How exactly did their O "widdle down" against SD? Vick threw for 428 yards and 2 scores and ran for another.

You want the truth? The truth is KC's D is really really good.. as you should have already known after we went against them the previous week.

Who cares how many yards they threw for. They lost. KC embarrassed them, and it's only going to get worse. I'm just happy I don't see any reference to them on ESPN.com now.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The apprehensions people have had are proving completely correct. The Eagles were just totally out of gas late in the third and through the fourth quarter...on both sides of the ball. Playing on a short week probably doesn't help, but that's the nature of the league.

3 games in 11 days to start the season is brutal.

 

[maxdallasfan]

The fact is the Iggles only have two good players on offense, and no defense.

Not sure why everyone thinks they are a threat. Vick always looks good in his first two games. He then goes back to his old ways quickly, and we saw that the other night. He's only good at throwing the deep ball, and since Avant and Cooper can't beat single coverage, Desean will be shut out.

No way McCoy lasts another 3 games.

Can't wait to see them gassed by the 2nd Qtr in Denver next week.

45-17.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Who cares how many yards they threw for. They lost. KC embarrassed them, and it's only going to get worse. I'm just happy I don't see any reference to them on ESPN.com now.

I do.

 

[Risen Star]

The fact is the Iggles only have two good players on offense, and no defense.

That's a ridiculous statement.

 

[John_S]

That's a ridiculous statement.

I was just wondering what you meant by that? Do you think that the Eagles have more or less than 2 offensive players? Do you think that they have even a mediocre defense?
They will get hammered by the Broncos but I THINK that this is a year when they have to put everything together - a new O, a new D, a new head coach - and 3 games in 11 days probably didn't help matters.
I can make the "argument" that they are tied with Dallas with 1 win each on the division. I know - that and a dollar...

 

[Risen Star]

I was just wondering what you meant by that? Do you think that the Eagles have more or less than 2 offensive players? Do you think that they have even a mediocre defense?
They will get hammered by the Broncos but I THINK that this is a year when they have to put everything together - a new O, a new D, a new head coach - and 3 games in 11 days probably didn't help matters.
I can make the "argument" that they are tied with Dallas with 1 win each on the division. I know - that and a dollar...

The Eagles have much more than two good players.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The Eagles have much more than two good players.

Yes. They do.

Unfortunately.

 

[newlander]

The fact is the Iggles only have two good players on offense, and no defense.

Not sure why everyone thinks they are a threat. Vick always looks good in his first two games. He then goes back to his old ways quickly, and we saw that the other night. He's only good at throwing the deep ball, and since Avant and Cooper can't beat single coverage, Desean will be shut out.

No way McCoy lasts another 3 games.

Can't wait to see them gassed by the 2nd Qtr in Denver next week.

45-17.

sounds about right....I am NOT a betting man, but as I sit here tonight watching the Broncs dissect the Raiders I am wondering WHY on earth I didn't take Denver.....same with next week: they'll flat out destroy Philthy....lol

 

[landroverking]

I said it before 45 player active on game day Vs 85 or more in college.

Just not enough bodies to hold up in a NFL game. The paste will wear them down long before games end.

Just how many SBs did the Bills win running the no huddle?