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Walter Jones just reworked his contract (nominally, with little cap impact) so that Hutchinson will have the top OL deal on the club. This means that Seattle can match Hutchinson's deal without having to swallow the "poison pill" of guaranteeing the full $50 million of the contract.

So even if they lose their hearing today, they can still match.

With Seattle's cap space gone, this will be the time for us to make a formal offer to Brown
 

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abersonc said:
Walter Jones just reworked his contract (nominally, with little cap impact) so that Hutchinson will have the top OL deal on the club. This means that Seattle can match Hutchinson's deal without having to swallow the "poison pill" of guaranteeing the full $50 million of the contract.

So even if they lose their hearing today, they can still match.

With Seattle's cap space gone, this will be the time for us to make a formal offer to Brown

Thats pretty funny, do they line up side by side. With the deal that Hutch made you would think that he wanted to leave. He won't be too happy with his teammate.
 

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something else to consider per John Clayton Blog:


Abraham suitors mull options
posted: Friday, March 17, 2006


You can see what the Seahawks are doing by working out a trade for John Abraham with the Jets and having linebacker Julian Peterson visit. What they are trying to do is weigh options in case they don't match the seven-year, $49 million offer sheet of guard Steve Hutchinson. The Seahawks have enough cap room to fit two big deals whether it's keeping Hutchinson or signing Peterson or Abraham. They could let Hutchinson go and use the cap room on Abraham and Peterson. Fitting in all three would be out of the question. It creates an interesting question -- are the Seahawks a better team adding Abraham and Peterson at the expense of Hutchinson and their No. 1 draft pick? Are they better with Hutchinson and one of those defensive players? That's the question they're weighing this weekend.


The Jets plan to stick to their position of not giving up Abraham for less than a No. 1 pick now that they know they could have the Seahawks' first-round pick, the 31st overall. That No. 1 pick is an interesting bargaining chip. The Jets have three of the top 35 choices and could move up from No. 4 in the first round to get Matt Leinart in some kind of a trade. A second-round pick wouldn't be good enough.

Abraham has positioned himself well, too. First, he knows what the Atlanta Falcons will pay and is comfortable playing there. He knows the Seahawks will probably have to pay him more than Atlanta to talk him into coming to Seattle. The Jets also control some cards because they won't let him go to Atlanta for lower value than a No. 1 choice. It's an interesting three-way battle.
 

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aikemirv said:
Thats pretty funny, do they line up side by side. With the deal that Hutch made you would think that he wanted to leave. He won't be too happy with his teammate.

I don't know. He gets to a) make a ton of money and b) stay on a superbowl team.

It isn't like Jones was costing him money as the guaranteed part wouldn't have been guaranteed in Minny.
 

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I don't know. He gets to a) make a ton of money and b) stay on a superbowl team.

It isn't like Jones was costing him money as the guaranteed part wouldn't have been guaranteed in Minny.

You only put that clause in there for leverage or to get more money. Jones just got rid of his leverage and cost him money.
 

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You only put that clause in there for leverage or to get more money. Jones just got rid of his leverage and cost him money.

But there was no way that clause was EVER going to be realized with the Vikes -- that's why there is a hearing today. so his contract would be the same as if he signed with the Vikes. that's not really a loss of money.
 

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Has Dallas actually signed him to an offer sheet or was that a rumor?
 

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abersonc said:
But there was no way that clause was EVER going to be realized with the Vikes -- that's why there is a hearing today. so his contract would be the same as if he signed with the Vikes. that's not really a loss of money.

Exactly why I said he either put it in there for leverage OR more money.

Either he wanted to be the highest paid lineman for the Seahawks or he wanted to play in Minn. One or the other so Jones screwed that up did he not?
 

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Exactly why I said he either put it in there for leverage OR more money.

Either he wanted to be the highest paid lineman for the Seahawks or he wanted to play in Minn. One or the other so Jones screwed that up did he not?

that was part of the contract to make it unlikely for the Hawks to match? We rarely see these deals anymore because most teams don't use the transition tag - but the reasoning is that you make it practically impossible for the other team to match.

This isn't about him wanting X or Y it is about structuring a deal to make it hard to match.
 

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that was part of the contract to make it unlikely for the Hawks to match? We rarely see these deals anymore because most teams don't use the transition tag - but the reasoning is that you make it practically impossible for the other team to match.

This isn't about him wanting X or Y it is about structuring a deal to make it hard to match.

"Leverage" is making a deal that is hard to match. Jones just made it easy to match - thus he would have a gripe against Jones. Why are you arguing with me?

This is stupid!!
 

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aikemirv said:
"Leverage" is making a deal that is hard to match. Jones just made it easy to match - thus he would have a gripe against Jones. Why are you arguing with me?

This is stupid!!

The outcome is the same financially whether he is in Minny or Seattle. Why are you not getting that?

Let's see, I can play for a team that made it to the superbowl, or I can play for a lame team that doesn't even have a QB.
 

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abersonc said:
The outcome is the same financially whether he is in Minny or Seattle. Why are you not getting that?

Let's see, I can play for a team that made it to the superbowl, or I can play for a lame team that doesn't even have a QB.

It is not the same if Jones does not restructure and The arbitrator does not rule in favor of Seattle.

If Seattle chose to match they have to pay him more or guarantee his salary - why are U not getting that.

If he wanted to go to Minn he put that in so Seattle would not match, or so they would pay him more than Jones or guarantee his salary!

Why r U not getting that.

Jones just made the clause no issue!!!

Why are you not getting that?
 

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aikemirv said:
It is not the same if Jones does not restructure and The arbitrator does not rule in favor of Seattle.

If Seattle chose to match they have to pay him more or guarantee his salary - why are U not getting that.

If he wanted to go to Minn he put that in so Seattle would not match, or so they would pay him more than Jones or guarantee his salary!

Why r U not getting that.

Jones just made the clause no issue!!!

Why are you not getting that?

Again, the clause was there to make it hard to match. Hutch and his agent didn't come in screaming "i must be the highest paid guy" - Minny devised a devious contact -- and Seattle got devious right back at them. that's how this works YRU not getting that?
 

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abersonc said:
Again, the clause was there to make it hard to match. Hutch and his agent didn't come in screaming "i must be the highest paid guy" - Minny devised a devious contact -- and Seattle got devious right back at them. that's how this works YRU not getting that?

Are you making this up as you go along because I thought I read that Hutch's agent devised the wording of that contract.
 

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http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm


The bigger problem, if the Seahawks eventually match the deal, is the potentially hostile environment that will arise between Jones and Hutchinson, who line up next to each other on every offensive snap. Jones has sold out Hutchinson to help management, and that's a no-no in the locker room. It'll be very interesting to see, then, how the other players react to Jones, even if Hutchinson moves on.



After all, Jones played his status as the franchise player like Yo Yo Ma on a cello, reeling in multiple years of big money before signing a blockbuster long-term deal. The fact that Jones has tried to get in the way of Hutchinson's chance to work that same system should prompt plenty of resentment in the locker room.
 

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aikemirv said:
Are you making this up as you go along because I thought I read that Hutch's agent devised the wording of that contract.

to make it harder to match. that's what you do with a contract that can be matched -- you make it hard to match.
 

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2375444

Hutchinson and the Vikings, who will be primarily represented by NFL Players Association attorneys, will contest that the clause is a valid one and is not an attempt to circumvent the collective bargaining agreement.





Hutchinson wanted it there.

Are you getting it yet?
 

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aikemirv said:
"Leverage" is making a deal that is hard to match. Jones just made it easy to match - thus he would have a gripe against Jones. Why are you arguing with me?

This is stupid!!
dude, hutch didnt create the deal.
the vikes made the offer trying to prevent the seahags from matching.

long as he gets his 49 mill he wont care where.
most guys would prefer staying on a super bowl team to leaving for a non-playoff club.

hutch is gonna get paid which was his intent not making more than walter jones or getting 50 mil guaranteed which no team would do.
 
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