First offseason mock FA/DRAFT

[texbumthelife]

Ah, you lost me with these from the get go.

Ditto.

A QB with attitude issues and no knees?
A 31 year old DT who has been on the decline for four season and isn't a pass rusher?
A DE who can't tackle?

This would be the all name, no sense free agency. No thanks.

 

[Matts4313]

Ditto.

A QB with attitude issues and no knees?
A 31 year old DT who has been on the decline for four season and isn't a pass rusher?
A DE who can't tackle?

This would be the all name, no sense free agency. No thanks.

1. A QB who had a spectacular start to his career and sorely needs to a fresh start and time to develop. A good kid and a special talent. A Cowboys fan, and highly talented prospect if he can ever get it together. Remember, Steve Young?
2. A 31 year old DT who has more natural talent than anyone on our entire defense, let alone DL. A declining player who would clearly better than any 1T weve had in years.
3. A DE who would be at a pretty steep discount to his not-injured value. Who had several games at the end of the year with a bunch of splash plays and a fair amount of pressures. Who is having multiple surgeries to help with his grip/tackling going forward.

 

[darthseinfeld]

RG3 is more hopless them Manziel.

People are quick to forget that is this the guy that didnt want the team to show his bad plays during film study

 

[jazzcat22]

I am ok with the draft, but as mentioned, I think we should get better picks for the 4th overall. But getting 2 extra 2nd rounds, still good. Have them throw in a later round would be good., like a 4th or 5th.

I may look at a few different players with some of the picks, but need to look to see. Not high on the injured players, but a player similar that helps right away is what is needed. We have to many injured guys we are waiting on now. And what if none of them work out, then we have no depth, as usual.

Would love to get Miller. We need speed bad, and he provides that as a multi purpose player.

Can't agree on the FA in RG3, JPP or Ngata. I can understand your thinking in a way, but not those players. And for various reasons. JPP will be looking for bigger money, and Ngata could be a progress stopper for that cost. But I think there could be better value. I need to see a FA list once it comes out.

 

[rockj7]

I get it - most of you hate RG3. But the reality is that he is a very talented, young, individual who might just need a scenary change. Aside from that, he is coming in as a back up.

If you dont like JPP on a cheapish deal or Ngata around market value, Id love to hear why. Both are all pro caliber and will be (compared to recent deals) inexpensive.

Don't forget RG3 isn't an alcoholic, I don't know why that gets overlooked when talking about JF

 

[texbumthelife]

1. A QB who had a spectacular start to his career and sorely needs to a fresh start and time to develop. A good kid and a special talent. A Cowboys fan, and highly talented prospect if he can ever get it together. Remember, Steve Young?
2. A 31 year old DT who has more natural talent than anyone on our entire defense, let alone DL. A declining player who would clearly better than any 1T weve had in years.
3. A DE who would be at a pretty steep discount to his not-injured value. Who had several games at the end of the year with a bunch of splash plays and a fair amount of pressures. Who is having multiple surgeries to help with his grip/tackling going forward.

Clearly you spend more time sipping the kool-aid than you do actually watching film. Ngata is a physical freak, as far as natural talent goes, yeah, he is great at pushing an OL out of his way. That certainly takes more skill than Sean Lee needs to be one of the best linebackers in the game.

Like I said, all this post is, is an attempt to throw names at problems.

 

[cowboys1981]

Could save by signing
DT-Brandon Mebane
CB-Trumain Johnson
DE-Willie Hayes

 

[Matts4313]

Clearly you spend more time sipping the kool-aid than you do actually watching film. Ngata is a physical freak, as far as natural talent goes, yeah, he is great at pushing an OL out of his way. That certainly takes more skill than Sean Lee needs to be one of the best linebackers in the game.

Like I said, all this post is, is an attempt to throw names at problems.

Petty insults aside, Id challenge you to actually come back with any facts.

I watch a ton of teams all over the NFL. I think these guys provide a lot of value.

 

[texbumthelife]

Petty insults aside, Id challenge you to actually come back with any facts.

I watch a ton of teams all over the NFL. I think these guys provide a lot of value.

Ngata would have provided immense value a few seasons ago. He's not that player anymore.You want facts? Ngata will be 32 before the season starts. His tackle numbers have declined three straight years. He hasn't had more than 2.5 sacks since 2012. When Baltimore tried to use him at NT he got manhandled so they moved him to end. He isn't fast enough to be an end in this defense and isn't quick twitch enough to be our 3T. So, at best you're getting another rotational 1T-3T guy for running downs. I have no problem with that, if the price is where it should be. However, thinking Ngata is going to come in and be our most talented player is ridiculous hyperbole. If you watch as much NFL as you claim, then the decline in his play shouldn't have to be explained or pointed out to you.

As far Pierre-Paul, the guy is severly limited. He made some splash plays in his first few games. After that he did next to nothing. He had one sack in eight games and four stuffs. To say he made a bunch of splash plays is exaggerated hyperbole at best. Once again, he has name recognition but with one hand, he'll never be the same. The fact he is having more surgeries only compounds his issues. That hand will never be right and as long as he is playing will require continual maintenance. Once again, if he comes on the super cheap, it's not a bad signing, I just don't expect the price to be worth the headache, honestly.

RGIII had one good season. One. Since then he has killed two coaches while refusing to report to Qb meetings and/or work on his game. He's can't read a defense. He is gun shy in the pocket. He is extremely injury prone. Signing him does nothing but put us in position to still need another QB for injury insurance. Just like the other two, he is simply a name at this point.

There were no insults in my post btw.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I don't believe Elliott gets past the Giants. Their offense would be insane with him.

 

[RS12]

Hackenberg strikes me as the quintessential JJ pick: bargain pickup of a player with "first-round talent and all the tools."

The Chad Hutchinson era was fun, huh?

 

[texbumthelife]

The Chad Hutchinson era was fun, huh?

I would literally rather not address the QB position at all than draft Hackenberg...

 

[Sasquatch]

The Chad Hutchinson era was fun, huh?

I'd rank it up there with the Henson era.

 

[RS12]

I would literally rather not address the QB position at all than draft Hackenberg...

Hackenberg and Bill O'Brien is the only combination I see paying off for Hackenberg.

 

[Matts4313]

Ngata would have provided immense value a few seasons ago. He's not that player anymore.You want facts? Ngata will be 32 before the season starts. His tackle numbers have declined three straight years. He hasn't had more than 2.5 sacks since 2012. When Baltimore tried to use him at NT he got manhandled so they moved him to end. He isn't fast enough to be an end in this defense and isn't quick twitch enough to be our 3T. So, at best you're getting another rotational 1T-3T guy for running downs. I have no problem with that, if the price is where it should be. However, thinking Ngata is going to come in and be our most talented player is ridiculous hyperbole. If you watch as much NFL as you claim, then the decline in his play shouldn't have to be explained or pointed out to you.

As far Pierre-Paul, the guy is severly limited. He made some splash plays in his first few games. After that he did next to nothing. He had one sack in eight games and four stuffs. To say he made a bunch of splash plays is exaggerated hyperbole at best. Once again, he has name recognition but with one hand, he'll never be the same. The fact he is having more surgeries only compounds his issues. That hand will never be right and as long as he is playing will require continual maintenance. Once again, if he comes on the super cheap, it's not a bad signing, I just don't expect the price to be worth the headache, honestly.

RGIII had one good season. One. Since then he has killed two coaches while refusing to report to Qb meetings and/or work on his game. He's can't read a defense. He is gun shy in the pocket. He is extremely injury prone. Signing him does nothing but put us in position to still need another QB for injury insurance. Just like the other two, he is simply a name at this point.

There were no insults in my post btw.

We will agree to disagree.

Ngata would have the most natural talent on the DL, but he would no longer have the athleticism and strength to be the star he once was. That said, he did have 2.5 sacks just last year in like 11ish games (if I recal correctly). Not that sacks really matter for a 1t.

JPP greatly improved the Giants pass rush and his arrow was pointing way up as the season went on. Sure, he wasnt a 10 sack guy, but in this mock we arent paying for a 10 sack guy. Were paying for a little more than Mincey. JPP suffered an ankle injury, but before that he had a few games with 5+ QB pressures along with some other splash plays (turnovers, TFL, etc).

RG3 would be a project. But he wouldn't be the first guy to bust with one team and succeed with another. There were *2* HOF QBs in the 90s alone that had the same thing happen. He isnt 'just a name'. He is a super talented young guy who needs a change of scenery.

 

[Alexander]

I don't believe Elliott gets past the Giants. Their offense would be insane with him.

That is definitely one place I do not want him ending up.

 

[Kaiser]

Good OP, but version of that would be BJ Raji instead of Ngata and adding a Safety in FA. Also I really don't see JPP as the guy, I think Hardy comes back on a one year deal.

I would love Elliot and Jaylon Smith but I wouldn't draft a 1T that high. This draft is supposed to have very good value for 1T in the 4th round and later, sign Raji and develop a 5th round pick behind him. You may have Terrell McClain in the mix as well.

 

[Alexander]

You may have Terrell McClain in the mix as well.

Thank God.

 

[dallasdave]

id want more than just the 15, 43 and 45 for the 4th overall.

 

[Floatyworm]

Seems like every mock draft posted by fans has us taking Braxton Miller. Either there's a lot of Buckeye fans posting here or there's something I'm missing about the guy.

I seriously don't think the guy gets drafted......