Fish: Drafting Bijan Robinson vs signing Tony Pollard

[rambo2]

I said nothing about need. But yah need is a big factor in drafting.

RB does make a difference, but if you dont have a good line it doenst matter.

And no, i would not take a RB in the first round.

It is not like a top 10 pick. It is 26 and absolutely nothing wrong with taking a top 10 talent at 26.

 

[beware_d-ware]

I'm not spending a 1st on Bijan unless the board is gutted, and I'm not touching a long-term Pollard contract after his injury (see Michael Gallup).

Sign a vet like Penny or Singletary for ~$4M a season, and then draft an RB in the mid rounds. You'll get 90% of the production of a healthy Pollard on a big deal, for less than half the cost.

Also, I'm not getting this "Bijan is generational" stuff. Dude doesn't catch nearly as well as he is billed to. He is hyper-athletic as a rusher, but hyper athletic pure rushers are cheap to find. Breece Hall tested out as a 99th percentile athlete last year and went 2nd round. Jonathan Taylor ran a 4.39 at 220 and went 2nd round. Bijan is in those guys' league IMO... he just gets more hype because he went to Texas.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I'm not spending a 1st on Bijan unless the board is gutted, and I'm not touching a long-term Pollard contract after his injury (see Michael Gallup).

Sign a vet like Penny or Singletary for ~$4M a season, and then draft an RB in the mid rounds. You'll get 90% of the production of a healthy Pollard on a big deal, for less than half the cost.

Also, I'm not getting this "Bijan is generational" stuff. Dude doesn't catch nearly as well as he is billed to. He is hyper-athletic as a rusher, but hyper athletic pure rushers are cheap to find. Breece Hall tested out as a 99th percentile athlete last year and went 2nd round. Jonathan Taylor ran a 4.39 at 220 and went 2nd round. Bijan is in those guys' league IMO... he just gets more hype because he went to Texas.

What Bijan does isnt Combine measurable. it's his ability to cut at what appears 90 degree angles at speed that's his USP, I dont even think his speed's elite. You're not getting the generational stuff, but respected commentators are, the only reason he could get to us is the league have the same aversion as yourself.

 

[TNCowboy]

I thought I had learned my lesson about going RB in round 1. However, I remember the impact Zeke had year one, and the idea of BJ having that same impact on a team that was already 12-5 is enticing.

Zeke was great year one, and has been in a downhill slide since.

OTOH, the 3 players picked directly after are just coming into the prime of their careers, having been better than EE to this point already.

 

[rambo2]

I'm not spending a 1st on Bijan unless the board is gutted, and I'm not touching a long-term Pollard contract after his injury (see Michael Gallup).

Sign a vet like Penny or Singletary for ~$4M a season, and then draft an RB in the mid rounds. You'll get 90% of the production of a healthy Pollard on a big deal, for less than half the cost.

Also, I'm not getting this "Bijan is generational" stuff. Dude doesn't catch nearly as well as he is billed to. He is hyper-athletic as a rusher, but hyper athletic pure rushers are cheap to find. Breece Hall tested out as a 99th percentile athlete last year and went 2nd round. Jonathan Taylor ran a 4.39 at 220 and went 2nd round. Bijan is in those guys' league IMO... he just gets more hype because he went to Texas.

Robinson is a generational talent according to some scouts. He is a first round talent a steal at 26. 26 isn't really a 1st round pick, but you do get the first round benifits.

 

[rambo2]

Zeke was great year one, and has been in a downhill slide since.

OTOH, the 3 players picked directly after are just coming into the prime of their careers, having been better than EE to this point already.

I thought that Zeke won 2 rushing titles.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Kc has a 1st round rb actually.

Also, chances are bijan doesn't make it to us because eagles take him.

Actually, most teams don't have 32 players with first round drafts. Edwards-Hillaire as the last pick in round one probably had a second round grade. I would also argue that he's another poster child of why you don't spend a premium pick on a RB. Dude has been a bust and had a whole 300 yards rushing this year. Even KC fans admit it was a bad pick.

 

[Ekspozed]

Actually, most teams don't have 32 players with first round drafts. Edwards-Hillaire as the last pick in round one probably had a second round grade. I would also argue that he's another poster child of why you don't spend a premium pick on a RB. Dude has been a bust and had a whole 300 yards rushing this year. Even KC fans admit it was a bad pick.

Never said he was good, was just pointing out you were wrong about a 1st round pick rb in the sb. Who cares what he was graded it's what he was picked lol.

Bijans talents and Ed's are no where close.

Generally you don't take a round 1 rb but you make exceptions especially this late in the draft.

 

[rambo2]

I'm not spending a 1st on Bijan unless the board is gutted, and I'm not touching a long-term Pollard contract after his injury (see Michael Gallup).

Sign a vet like Penny or Singletary for ~$4M a season, and then draft an RB in the mid rounds. You'll get 90% of the production of a healthy Pollard on a big deal, for less than half the cost.

Also, I'm not getting this "Bijan is generational" stuff. Dude doesn't catch nearly as well as he is billed to. He is hyper-athletic as a rusher, but hyper athletic pure rushers are cheap to find. Breece Hall tested out as a 99th percentile athlete last year and went 2nd round. Jonathan Taylor ran a 4.39 at 220 and went 2nd round. Bijan is in those guys' league IMO... he just gets more hype because he went to Texas.

Brugler says that he can line up at receiver and run every route on the route tree.

 

[rambo2]

Yes, it's Fish but let's be honest, it's probably a debate we are going to hear until the draft is completed. Couple of quick nuggets to factor in

• Fairly strong RB draft class
• Strong free-agent year for RBs
• All signs point to strengthening the running game as a major off-season priority
• At best, rookie RBs will give you 4-5 quality years.

Top 10 free agent RBs

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/nfl-free-agents-2023-ranking-top-10-running-backs

Fish is excellent.

 

[CWR]

Zeke was great year one, and has been in a downhill slide since.

OTOH, the 3 players picked directly after are just coming into the prime of their careers, having been better than EE to this point already.

You can usually get production for the entire rookie contract. Too bad he held the FO hostage and they caved.

If we got 4 dominant years out of BJ that would be great.

 

[CWR]

Kc has a 1st round rb actually.

Also, chances are bijan doesn't make it to us because eagles take him.

In a way I'd almost he don't make it to us. Kind of like Pitts the year he came out. When those guys are sitting there, I can't help myself.

I'd love to take a trench player. It's not flashy, but if we do franchise TP, we can find another RB to complement in the middle rounds.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Brugler says that he can line up at receiver and run every route on the route tree.

Is there tape on this? I watched 3 of Bijan's games, and saw him run nothing but wheels and flats out of the backfield.

Dude only had 19 catches on the year too. JT had 26 as a junior at Wisconsin, and he was considered a minus as a receiver.

 

[rambo2]

Is there tape on this? I watched 3 of Bijan's games, and saw him run nothing but wheels and flats out of the backfield.

Dude only had 19 catches on the year too. JT had 26 as a junior at Wisconsin, and he was considered a minus as a receiver.

If anybody should know it is Dane Brugler. He said it today on the Cowboys draft show.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Never said he was good, was just pointing out you were wrong about a 1st round pick rb in the sb. Who cares what he was graded it's what he was picked lol.

Bijans talents and Ed's are no where close.

Generally you don't take a round 1 rb but you make exceptions especially this late in the draft.

There is no evidence at all that taking rb late in first round pays off. The overwhelming propederance of evidence shows the opposite. The only exceptions are McCaffrey and Josh Jacobs, but even they haven't paid off for the teams that drafted them. Add Zeke and Barkley to the list of overdrafted rbs who never made any real difference to their teams fortunes.

2022 Pro Bowl rbs

Nick Chubb - round 2
Joe Mixon- round 2
Jonathan Taylor round 2
Alvin Kamara round 3
James Connor round 3
Dalvin Cook round 2
Pollard. - round 3


The fact is that drafting a rb in round 1 is a luxury pick. A team like KC coming off a super bowl without any real weaknesses can afford to lay down a late first round pick on rb and make a mistake. The Dallas Cowboys have holes all over the field at positions much harder to fill later in the draft. We can't afford the mistake.