Five Thirty Eight on drafts and statistics

[Common Sense]

Different media outlets have different All-Pro selections. That's likely what you're seeing. But the All-Pro line-up does not vary by year.

The wording of the graph made me assume they were taking all of the various All-Pro selection into account. AP, Sporting News, etc. I could be wrong though. It's not super clear.

 

[ConceptCoop]

The wording of the graph made me assume they were taking all of the various All-Pro selection into account. AP, Sporting News, etc. I could be wrong though. It's not super clear.

Good point. They aren't clear. I took "an All-Pro" team to mean one of the yearly teams. They should have clarified.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm an analyst by trade. This is what I do for a living. You're mistaken.

Perhaps you don't see significance in the metric, but that doesn't make it "highly skewed."

Being in a trade doesn't mean you excel at it. (I'm not saying you don't) I know programmers who've been programming for 25 years who are godawful at it. The history books and show countless engineers who are awful at engineering. (and have the body counts to prove it)

The starter:All-Pro ratio is 1:1 for every position but RB.

(2) QBs and (10) OL are selected All-Pro. (1st and 2nd team) I'm sorry, but that isn't a 1-1 ratio between positions as defined in that graph that lumps all OL together. (it's 5-1) I'm starting to think you're a terrible analyst. What exactly do you analyze? Government budgets utilizing fuzzy math?

 

[ConceptCoop]

Being in a trade doesn't mean you excel at it. (I'm not saying you don't) I know programmers who've been programming for 25 years who are godawful at it. The history books and show countless engineers who are awful at engineering. (and have the body counts to prove it)


(2) QBs and (10) OL are selected All-Pro. (1st and 2nd team) I'm sorry, but that isn't a 1-1 ratio between positions as defined in that graph that lumps all OL together. I'm starting to think you're a terrible analyst. What exactly do you analyze? Government budgets?

One QB starts; there is one QB on the All-Pro team. 1:1
One center starts; there is one center on the All-Pro team. 1:1
Two guards start; there are two guards on the All-Pro team. 1:1
Two tackles start; there are two tackles on the All-Pro team. 1:1

If you want to count the second team, double all numbers. The ratio is still 1:1.

If you're going to be insulting, make sure you know what you're talking about.

 

[YosemiteSam]

One QB starts; there is one QB on the All-Pro team. 1:1
One center starts; there is one center on the All-Pro team. 1:1
Two guards start; there are two guards on the All-Pro team. 1:1
Two tackles start; there are two tackles on the All-Pro team. 1:1

If you want to count the second team, double all numbers. The ratio is still 1:1.

If you're going to be insulting, make sure you know what you're talking about.

The graph lists ALL OL as a single point. That is FIVE players to the ONE QB.

 

[ConceptCoop]

The graph lists ALL OL as a single point. That is FIVE players to the ONE QB.

5 starters on the offensive line; 5 offensive lineman on the All-pro team. 1:1

The writer lumping them together has nothing to do with their path to the All-Pro team.

 

[YosemiteSam]

5 starters on the offensive line; 5 offensive lineman on the All-pro team. 1:1

The writer lumping them together has nothing to do with their path to the All-Pro team.

***? Can you stay on topic? Are you changing the ... you know what. I'm not even going to talk to you. You're incapable of carrying a logical conversation.

 

[ConceptCoop]

***? Can you stay on topic? Are you changing the ... you know what. I'm not even going to talk to you. You're incapable of carrying a logical conversation.

This guy...

You have a much higher rate of all-pro success when you can draft for 5 different positions that count as one.

 

[AbeBeta]

Wow that's actually very cool. Thanks for the post. I honestly had no idea the % for linebackers was that heavily first round loaded.

That is likely because LBs are not seen as a huge draft priority in recent years. You've got to be really really good and highly productive at that position to get a first round grade. Unlike RBs, the pool of LBs is much larger so that pushes good players into later rounds a bit more, so there is a considerable filter