Fixing the Fan Experience

[Diehardblues]

Well first of all, no my son wasn’t a “die-hard” until 2018. And he’s not a “fair weather fan” as you seem to imply. I can’t speak for my now 37 year old son’s reasons why he’s fed up with the Cowboys, but I can say it was not a snap 2018 decision, lol. He grew up a Cowboys fan, but like all 3 of my sons, they think the Cowboys have become a joke. They are all grown men now who make their own decisions.

Secondly, while I appreciate the lessons you learned about “rooting for a loser” and the character it can build, you know that the definition of “what it means to be a great fan” is not a one size fits all experience.I appreciate your experience and definition of fandom and applaud the character it built for you. But that’s not applicable to everyone. That’s why this forum exists. Different opinions.

The Cowboys have become a joke. That’s not the point.

Saints fans held bags over their heads for most of their first 43 years of existence. But they were still fans. And fans in Cleveland have been pounding the rafters for the last 50 years waiting for a championship era to return .

This notion that there must be success of your local or favorite team to be a fan is absurd. It might define fans of this era? IDK. It might also explain how fans from our rivaled demographics in Northeast became Cowboy fans generations ago.

When I look around at Cowboy fans in my family of this generation I see fans rooting on their team without the same intensity we might have had but they haven’t stop being a fan because we suk or are a joke. Which has not as much to do with the players or team on the field but the dysfunctional ownership.

I grew up being a Baylor diehard also. And we were a dormant joke for most of the 60 years Ive been following but the little success we’ve had makes you really appreciate when they do when. Sometimes the journey is longer than others.

You are right. There are all types of fans. And this description of yours is one that IMO poorly represents those fans more than our organization. I’m assuming until recent years they wouldn’t have been a Ranger fan as they didn’t do didly squat ( still no championships) for how many decades? And the Mavs have won 1 championship since their inception in 1980. I have no idea what the Stars have done since I’ve never watched a game. Thats not much in the last 40+ years to be bashing the Cowboys glorious history over because of futility in last 25 years. Perhaps they need a history lesson from Dad.

 

[eromeopolk]

I’ve been a fan of the Dallas Cowboys almost my entire life. I went to my first Cowboys game when I was 6 when my Dad took me to see the Cowboys play the Browns in 1964, at the Cotton Bowl. Got see the great Jim Brown and all the early Cowboys greats like Bob Lily, Dandy Don, Don Perkins, etc. I loved going to Cowboys games as a kid.

In fact, I was lucky enough to see multiple games at the Cotton Bowl and Texas Stadium, and I’ve seen one at AT&T. By far, my favorite experience as a fan was at Texas Stadium. My Dad took my brother and I to see a game at Texas Stadium in 1971, the year it opened and several others over the years. You felt close to the field and it would get really loud. It felt like a real home field advantage.

To me, it’s harder to be a fan who comes to Cowboys games the last decade or two. BUT- I’m NOT one of these old guys who thinks everything was better in the past. Some things are better these days. The video screens, the access to restrooms, seating room, etc are certainly better today.

But let’s be honest- going to a Cowboys game today is an extremely pricey affair. I’m a middle class retired educator, and taking my family to a Cowboys game like my Dad did is simply not realistic for me. I went to a Cowboys home game back in 2018 vs Tampa Bay with my father in law and son and it was not a great experience. The cost of parking, the cost of food and drinks, not to mention the exorbitant ticket prices and shopping mall feel to the stayjum made it much less enjoyable.

The saddest part of all this is I think too many Cowboys fans are being priced out of the experience. Being at an NFL game is so different than watching on TV.

So....here are some things the Cowboys organization could do to make going to a Cowboys game much more accessible and affordable to the average fan:

• Create a special section for about 5,000-10,000 Cowboys fans at much more affordable prices. Fans could apply to get tickets through a lottery system. They could have a lottery selection for each game that would determine who gets those tickets. It could be called the “Fan appreciation section” or something like that. Prices could be set much lower than other tickets.
  
• The Cowboys should buy some property for additional parking space at much lower prices- like $10. This would also include a shuttle service. There are several areas of property around the stayjum that could be purchased. The Cowboys can afford it! The parking and walk to the stayjum is one one of the worst in the entertainment experience IMO. Parking for nearby Texas Rangers games are waaaaay more accessible.
• Have a designated “throwback game” once a season. Tickets, parking and vendor costs could all be set at 1995 prices- the last time the Cowboys won a SB. It would give fans a special game at throwback prices.
  
• Have a fan appreciation game where there are special giveaways like jerseys, hats, etc. where “the first 10,000 fans who enter the stadium”...Baseball, basketball and hockey all do this and it’s very popular.

What else? These are just a few ideas. And before someone says, “They will never do this because it gives up too much”, the Cowboys can certainly afford this. Besides, fans are under appreciated. The Cowboys are making money faster than it can be printed. Surely they can afford to thank the people that have made this organization be where it is today.

I just want the fan experience of the Cowboys winning to get to a NFC Championship game.

Oh wait, your fan experience is much more achievable for the Arlington Jonesboys. But I got rid of my season tickets after the 1996 season.

 

[Diehardblues]

Do we really think Booger cares about the average fan? If you are not a customer, you are not important.

He's selling out and will continue to raise prices as long as that continues. The supply and demand are the factors in that, not the quality of the games or team.

Until he sees a reason to change, he will not. And people who see a trip to the game as exorbitant are not his target audience.

Personally, I would not go to the games if it was free and for the first 6 years the stadium was open had free tickets offered and never went. First off, I swore to never give him a dime when he bought the team and that's not possible spending 4 hours there even if the ticket is gratis.

At some point, and I am not really sure when this happened, I crossed the time/pleasure line. Is the pleasure derived worth the time invested? Just the time, not the money. I apply this to anything I am considering doing because to be in the middle of it and realize it was not worth the time investment actually makes for a worse effect on the pleasure.

The time involved in getting to and from the game and once there to the game itself is more than I am willing to invest. I can watch anything I want while those poor people are stuck in traffic or walking to the game after paying $75 to park their vehicle. If the game sucks, I can do something else. I am not trapped. I also have tinnitus and loud noises are a problem and the opposing fans at the Cowboys games are always so noisy.

Owners want more money, players want more money, making the game affordable for the average fan isn't on the agenda. That ship has sailed long ago.

And every movement in society now is into the home. Big screens, media rooms, video games, sound systems and control in the hands of the end user has become the new entertainment and it's only going to grow.

You know I walked away from being a season ticket holder after much of 4 decades with the new stadium. I’m proud for standing my ground with my principles against the PSL’s. And my health doesn’t warrant attending every home game now. I simply don’t have the energy level anymore.

But I’d be lying if I said I didn’t miss the intensity and excitement of attending games. It wasn’t just about winning or losing. It was the adrenaline and the anticipation of the Game Day experience.

And I have an excellent set up at home in my Cave to watch several games at once which I thoroughly enjoy. But there’s nothing like being there regardless all of the inconveniences, inclement weather, etc. its like the difference between a live performance from one of my favorite artist or watching it on DVD or YouTube. I absolutely love live performances.

It’s killing me now not being in Indianapolis for the Final 4 which is out of my control. And it will kill me if I don’t attend the next SB we are in, god willing I’m still alive.

The last Cowboy game I attended was Lion playoff game 2014 season. And it was frikin awesome.

 

[Diehardblues]

I just want the fan experience of the Cowboys winning to get to a NFC Championship game.

Oh wait, your fan experience is much more achievable for the Arlington Jonesboys. But I got rid of my season tickets after the 1996 season.

I’ve never attached winning to the experience. It’s not why I gave up my season tickets. No doubt, it makes it more fun.

 

[CowboyDan]

Bob, they already have the Party Pass for endzone access . Only about $30. Granted it’s standing room only but no other stadium provides such affordable access.

And there’s free shuttles from several locations . Some if you don’t want to eat at the establishment as low as $6. Drops you off right in front of the stadium.

This. Thanks for saving me the time of typing it, lol.

 

[Bobhaze]

The Cowboys have become a joke. That’s not the point.

Saints fans held bags over their heads for most of their first 43 years of existence. But they were still fans. And fans in Cleveland have been pounding the rafters for the last 50 years waiting for a championship era to return .

This notion that there must be success of your local or favorite team to be a fan is absurd. It might define fans of this era? IDK. It might also explain how fans from our rivaled demographics in Northeast became Cowboy fans generations ago.

When I look around at Cowboy fans in my family of this generation I see fans rooting on their team without the same intensity we might have had but they haven’t stop being a fan because we suk or are a joke. Which has not as much to do with the players or team on the field but the dysfunctional ownership.

I grew up being a Baylor diehard also. And we were a dormant joke for most of the 60 years Ive been following but the little success we’ve had makes you really appreciate when they do when. Sometimes the journey is longer than others.

You are right. There are all types of fans. And this description of yours is one that IMO poorly represents those fans more than our organization. I’m assuming until recent years they wouldn’t have been a Ranger fan as they didn’t do didly squat ( still no championships) for how many decades? And the Mavs have won 1 championship since their inception in 1980. I have no idea what the Stars have done since I’ve never watched a game. Thats not much in the last 40+ years to be bashing the Cowboys glorious history over because of futility in last 25 years. Perhaps they need a history lesson from Dad.

Since you mentioned the history of the other Dallas teams, let’s look at their history the last 25 years. And before I do, let’s remember that in baseball, basketball and hockey, a playoff series win is equal to a playoff win in pro football. With that here’s the history:

MAVERICKS: 10 series wins, 2 conference championships and one NBA championship.
STARS: 17 series wins, 3 conference championships, and one NHL championship.
RANGERS: 4 series wins, 2 AL championships.

Greg, compared to the Cowboys the last 25 years, all 3 DFW area pro sports teams have outperformed the Cowboys by every measure of excellence. Even the Rangers who have a bad overall history.

Look I’m proud of the Cowboys’ history. I always enjoy watching them play. And I wouldn’t invest the time on this forum if I didn’t care about seeing them win or lose and still enjoy the experience.

 

[Diehardblues]

Since you mentioned the history of the other Dallas teams, let’s look at their history the last 25 years. And before I do, let’s remember that in baseball, basketball and hockey, a playoff series win is equal to a playoff win in pro football. With that here’s the history:

MAVERICKS: 10 series wins, 2 conference championships and one NBA championship.
STARS: 17 series wins, 3 conference championships, and one NHL championship.
RANGERS: 4 series wins, 2 AL championships.

Greg, compared to the Cowboys the last 25 years, all 3 DFW area pro sports teams have outperformed the Cowboys by every measure of excellence. Even the Rangers who have a bad overall history.

Look I’m proud of the Cowboys’ history. I always enjoy watching them play. And I wouldn’t invest the time on this forum if I didn’t care about seeing them win or lose and still enjoy the experience.

Why are the last 25 years the measurement ? Not the last 30, 40 or 50 years?

 

[Redball Express]

I’ve been a fan of the Dallas Cowboys almost my entire life. I went to my first Cowboys game when I was 6 when my Dad took me to see the Cowboys play the Browns in 1964, at the Cotton Bowl. Got see the great Jim Brown and all the early Cowboys greats like Bob Lily, Dandy Don, Don Perkins, etc. I loved going to Cowboys games as a kid.

In fact, I was lucky enough to see multiple games at the Cotton Bowl and Texas Stadium, and I’ve seen one at AT&T. By far, my favorite experience as a fan was at Texas Stadium. My Dad took my brother and I to see a game at Texas Stadium in 1971, the year it opened and several others over the years. You felt close to the field and it would get really loud. It felt like a real home field advantage.

To me, it’s harder to be a fan who comes to Cowboys games the last decade or two. BUT- I’m NOT one of these old guys who thinks everything was better in the past. Some things are better these days. The video screens, the access to restrooms, seating room, etc are certainly better today.

But let’s be honest- going to a Cowboys game today is an extremely pricey affair. I’m a middle class retired educator, and taking my family to a Cowboys game like my Dad did is simply not realistic for me. I went to a Cowboys home game back in 2018 vs Tampa Bay with my father in law and son and it was not a great experience. The cost of parking, the cost of food and drinks, not to mention the exorbitant ticket prices and shopping mall feel to the stayjum made it much less enjoyable.

The saddest part of all this is I think too many Cowboys fans are being priced out of the experience. Being at an NFL game is so different than watching on TV.

So....here are some things the Cowboys organization could do to make going to a Cowboys game much more accessible and affordable to the average fan:

• Create a special section for about 5,000-10,000 Cowboys fans at much more affordable prices. Fans could apply to get tickets through a lottery system. They could have a lottery selection for each game that would determine who gets those tickets. It could be called the “Fan appreciation section” or something like that. Prices could be set much lower than other tickets.
  
• The Cowboys should buy some property for additional parking space at much lower prices- like $10. This would also include a shuttle service. There are several areas of property around the stayjum that could be purchased. The Cowboys can afford it! The parking and walk to the stayjum is one one of the worst in the entertainment experience IMO. Parking for nearby Texas Rangers games are waaaaay more accessible.
• Have a designated “throwback game” once a season. Tickets, parking and vendor costs could all be set at 1995 prices- the last time the Cowboys won a SB. It would give fans a special game at throwback prices.
  
• Have a fan appreciation game where there are special giveaways like jerseys, hats, etc. where “the first 10,000 fans who enter the stadium”...Baseball, basketball and hockey all do this and it’s very popular.

What else? These are just a few ideas. And before someone says, “They will never do this because it gives up too much”, the Cowboys can certainly afford this. Besides, fans are under appreciated. The Cowboys are making money faster than it can be printed. Surely they can afford to thank the people that have made this organization be where it is today.

The cheerleaders are better. You left that out. And there are more of them. Nice. You and I are close on our childhood experiences. Sunday at the cotton Bowl was fun. I liked Crazy Ray. He made me several balloon animals over time. So you and I are solid. Otherwise watching with the family over was always fun. Got to play touch in the backyard with my cousins. After games I would spend hours tossing a football on the garage roof..watch it bounce down and fall off the garage roof..I would dive and catch it like Lance Rentzel. Scoring of course then dream I needed to get home for Joey Heatherton.

 

[plasticman]

I’ve been a fan of the Dallas Cowboys almost my entire life. I went to my first Cowboys game when I was 6 when my Dad took me to see the Cowboys play the Browns in 1964, at the Cotton Bowl. Got see the great Jim Brown and all the early Cowboys greats like Bob Lily, Dandy Don, Don Perkins, etc. I loved going to Cowboys games as a kid.

In fact, I was lucky enough to see multiple games at the Cotton Bowl and Texas Stadium, and I’ve seen one at AT&T. By far, my favorite experience as a fan was at Texas Stadium. My Dad took my brother and I to see a game at Texas Stadium in 1971, the year it opened and several others over the years. You felt close to the field and it would get really loud. It felt like a real home field advantage.

To me, it’s harder to be a fan who comes to Cowboys games the last decade or two. BUT- I’m NOT one of these old guys who thinks everything was better in the past. Some things are better these days. The video screens, the access to restrooms, seating room, etc are certainly better today.

But let’s be honest- going to a Cowboys game today is an extremely pricey affair. I’m a middle class retired educator, and taking my family to a Cowboys game like my Dad did is simply not realistic for me. I went to a Cowboys home game back in 2018 vs Tampa Bay with my father in law and son and it was not a great experience. The cost of parking, the cost of food and drinks, not to mention the exorbitant ticket prices and shopping mall feel to the stayjum made it much less enjoyable.

The saddest part of all this is I think too many Cowboys fans are being priced out of the experience. Being at an NFL game is so different than watching on TV.

So....here are some things the Cowboys organization could do to make going to a Cowboys game much more accessible and affordable to the average fan:

• Create a special section for about 5,000-10,000 Cowboys fans at much more affordable prices. Fans could apply to get tickets through a lottery system. They could have a lottery selection for each game that would determine who gets those tickets. It could be called the “Fan appreciation section” or something like that. Prices could be set much lower than other tickets.
  
• The Cowboys should buy some property for additional parking space at much lower prices- like $10. This would also include a shuttle service. There are several areas of property around the stayjum that could be purchased. The Cowboys can afford it! The parking and walk to the stayjum is one one of the worst in the entertainment experience IMO. Parking for nearby Texas Rangers games are waaaaay more accessible.
• Have a designated “throwback game” once a season. Tickets, parking and vendor costs could all be set at 1995 prices- the last time the Cowboys won a SB. It would give fans a special game at throwback prices.
  
• Have a fan appreciation game where there are special giveaways like jerseys, hats, etc. where “the first 10,000 fans who enter the stadium”...Baseball, basketball and hockey all do this and it’s very popular.

What else? These are just a few ideas. And before someone says, “They will never do this because it gives up too much”, the Cowboys can certainly afford this. Besides, fans are under appreciated. The Cowboys are making money faster than it can be printed. Surely they can afford to thank the people that have made this organization be where it is today.

There was a time when the fan experience factor was 100%.

I've mentioned before how the franchise was created for the fans of a particular region. It was owned by a prominent businessman in that area as an act of appreciation to it's citizens as well as the publicity and loyalty that would enhance the reputation of an owner's particular business. It wasn't too different than sponsoring a little league team in theory. Of course, everything was done on a much higher level.

It was never the intention of the original team owners to use the team as a profitable business.

Tickets were priced very reasonably, the idea being that each citizen of that area, rich or poor, had an equal right to purchase a ticket. It was literally in a sense, their team. Their city's name was part of the team name. Early on, the team name resembled part of their owner's company name.

The Green Bay Packers were owned by the Indian Packing Company, for example. The Chicago Bears originally played in the town of Decatur and was owned by the Staley Starch Company. they moved to the big city and became the Chicago Staley's for a short period of time before becoming the Chicago Bears.

Being in the red financially from time to time was a normal condition for an NFL team. However, it it became out of hand, then the owner was forced to sell. Typically, it was the result an owner's business that led to the sale of the franchise. Hopefully they could find another owner willing to "sponsor" the team for their fans and city

However, the team owners slowly began realizing the potential profit from their contribution to the city. This realization reached it's peak when Jerry Jones entered the picture. There are areas in NFL football where Jerry Jones lacks credible experience and knowledge. Making money isn't one of them. In fact, this ability is his specific contribution to "the game" and, in the ultimate irony, the reason his name appears in the Hall of Fame.

Jerry Jones engages in a ticket selling practice where individual tickets for individual games are limited and overpriced, most seats are tied up in season tickets and corporate packages. He has essentially eliminated the market of game attendees we call "the average fan" and he doesn't care.

There was a time when the commissioner of the NFL promised that there would never be an NFL game that required a fan to subscribe to a paid cable channel.

This was the downfall of fan friendly NFL football. Money now rules. The players union saw this and demanded their share, rightfully so when you look at how the owners profited. However, they may continue to find ways to keep the money flowing, but interest in the game and the league are declining. Fewer people will be paying more.

Really, the only way to change the circumstances is to threaten the owners cash flow. We can't do that but I guarantee a competing league will do exactly that.

Now that's the sad part. In order to improve NFL teams and make them more fan friendly, enough of those friendly fans have to leave and be friendly with teams in a different league. Only then will NFL owners wake up.

 

[Diehardblues]

The NFL and especially the Cowboys don’t need the average middle class fan attending games.

But Jerry does throw the biggest bone out there in the league with the Party Pass access inside the stadium without a seat for about $30.

 

[Blackrain]

I believe at this point in time its not even the money . We have no players with enough talent or popularity to suffer through the aggravation of going to a game and watching . TV is just so darn good now that its really not worth paying a premium price to suffer through all the inconvenience of going to a game . Hard core fans can really dissect and analyze the game better on todays state of the art TVs IMO
This is from a guy who attended every Cowboys Eagles game in old Veterans Stadium . A true test of will as philly fans hate nothing worse than the Dallas Cowboys and their fans but back then we had NFL GODs that I would suffer anything to see live .

Now I cant really think of one that I would take a Jersey from if they were giving it away other than maybe Dak . Its pretty much all I can do to just stomach them on TV . That game last year they started that kid at QB left me emotionally scarred LOL

 

[MikeB80]

The NFL and especially the Cowboys don’t need the average middle class fan attending games.

But Jerry does throw the biggest bone out there in the league with the Party Pass access inside the stadium without a seat for about $30.

There is not a single seat associated with a party pass ticket. Its a mad scramble from the minute the gates open two hours before kickoff. Once you are in your spot you can not move or someone will take it.

So essentially in order to make a party pass worth it you have to be prepared to be up near the doors two and half hours before kickoff and then once you run in and grab a spot you can not move for the next 6 hours.

Most people who use the party pass actually sit outside and eat and drink and watch the game in the plaza. Its actually just a move to get more on the grounds to pay parking and buy food and drinks.

 

[Diehardblues]

There is not a single seat associated with a party pass ticket. Its a mad scramble from the minute the gates open two hours before kickoff. Once you are in your spot you can not move or someone will take it.

So essentially in order to make a party pass worth it you have to be prepared to be up near the doors two and half hours before kickoff and then once you run in and grab a spot you can not move for the next 6 hours.

Most people who use the party pass actually sit outside and eat and drink and watch the game in the plaza. Its actually just a move to get more on the grounds to pay parking and buy food and drinks.

Yep

Like I said , it provides access without a seat.

 

[CouchCoach]

Bob, so your oldest was still hanging on to his Cowboys fandom until 2018? That was the final turning point?

I understand our local fans have been described as a “ winners town “ but that isn’t a complimentary description. We all understand the frustration of our fan base and rightfully so but totally abandoning our local team cause of mediocrity isn’t very Diehard like.
I was raised and taught that rooting for a loser builds character and appreciation for what little success you had. It’s easy rooting for a winner. Anyone can do that.

No offense to your Dad but rooting for a loser has little to do with building character, rooting for winners or losers doesn't, Character is not built by the teams we root for, imo. However, rooting for winner or leaving a loser doesn't really make one a "fan".

There are more reasons than the record the last 26 years to dump the Cowboys as your team and history and laundry can go just so far.

I honestly don't know what kind of fan I am except I am certainly not a diehard. They lose, I don't care. I do enjoy seeing the lost and pissed off look on Booger's face and that's not normal. When I was a Mavs fan, I didn't take any solace in Cuban's face after a loss but Booger's? Oh, hell yeah!

I have become a different kind of football fan. Still love the game but I basically watch it dispassionately and that's not really a bad thing and because I hold the air speed record for a remote in Far North Dallas. Whole Metroplex? Probably not but definitely Far North Dallas. And until Sony could overnight me a new remote my wife really enjoyed being the channel surfer she'd never been before.

 

[CouchCoach]

There is not a single seat associated with a party pass ticket. Its a mad scramble from the minute the gates open two hours before kickoff. Once you are in your spot you can not move or someone will take it.

So essentially in order to make a party pass worth it you have to be prepared to be up near the doors two and half hours before kickoff and then once you run in and grab a spot you can not move for the next 6 hours.

Most people who use the party pass actually sit outside and eat and drink and watch the game in the plaza. Its actually just a move to get more on the grounds to pay parking and buy food and drinks.

Ohhhhhhh Mikey, you're making my couch sound oh so comfy!

 

[CouchCoach]

The fact is some fans watch them to see them play and some to see them win and one isn't any better than the other. Being a sports fan is such an emotional and illogical concept that I doubt Mr. Spock would have dug sports. He would have dug the concept of they play for money but they get paid the same for losing as they do winning so who cares about winning?

 

[Diehardblues]

No offense to your Dad but rooting for a loser has little to do with building character, rooting for winners or losers doesn't, Character is not built by the teams we root for, imo. However, rooting for winner or leaving a loser doesn't really make one a "fan".

There are more reasons than the record the last 26 years to dump the Cowboys as your team and history and laundry can go just so far.

I honestly don't know what kind of fan I am except I am certainly not a diehard. They lose, I don't care. I do enjoy seeing the lost and pissed off look on Booger's face and that's not normal. When I was a Mavs fan, I didn't take any solace in Cuban's face after a loss but Booger's? Oh, hell yeah!

I have become a different kind of football fan. Still love the game but I basically watch it dispassionately and that's not really a bad thing and because I hold the air speed record for a remote in Far North Dallas. Whole Metroplex? Probably not but definitely Far North Dallas. And until Sony could overnight me a new remote my wife really enjoyed being the channel surfer she'd never been before.

My fathers meaning was we should root our team on regardless the results. And when you win it’s more appreciative . Or more fun. Rooting for a loser or less successful team is very difficult . Anyone can root for a winner. That’s where the character building comes in.

Just like it’s easy to be proud and supportive of a loved one who has more success but much more difficult looking for sources of pride with less successful loved ones. I don’t care as much as I used to but I still want to win. It doesn’t hurt as much as it used cause I see who and what the core culprit is.

But as I watched my Bears win a National championship last night I became emotional because of finally witnessing the men win their 1st . That’s how you know how much you care. I cried when watching Troy in the booth as Jimmy was introduced being nominated for HOF.

I don’t know if that’s Diehard or not but I am emotionally attached to my teams . Not as much to this Cowboy team. It’s why I call myself Diehardblues.

Ive heard Bob speak of his boys disheartening of the Cowboys this era. And I’ve always been supportive. I understand . But the way it came off in this thread struck me differently. That after attending 2018 game was last straw. Why now. I have less issue with those who walked away after Tom was fired or Jimmy ran off. But to sit here now and say after 25 years, that’s enough. Shallow fans IMO. In other words they’d be ok with Jethro and his foolishness if we’d had more success. Hating our ownership and the joke of a franchise is one thing but not following the franchise that represents our city, area and region is quite another issue simply cause they aren’t winning now.

They’re ok with the other local teams during same time frame cause they’re having more success. That’s wagon or casual fans to me. Which is fine. They can choose to be a fan however they choose but I’m going to call it out as a less meaningful stance or opinion. And couldn’t really care if they like the Cowboys or not . Would prefer if they never come back.

On the contrary I’m very supportive and sympathetic to this younger generation of Cowboy fans who haven’t seen our franchise have more success. But remain fans cheering us on despite the frustration, etc. That’s the kinda fan I’m interested in. What I’d call a Diehard.