Fletcher Cox

[Chuck 54]

We play a 3-4, dude would be considered a bust around here after 2 seasons with 3 sacks per year (Or less.) He's better off playing for a team that runs the 4-3...

You could have a 3-4 DE who didn't get any sacks, but if he beats his man in 1-1 battles or commands double-teams and flushes the QB from the pocket with hurries and hits, he's going to be an impact player for a 3-4 team with a guy like Ware.

We don't need a DE or any DL who gets 10 sacks, though that would be nice, but having a DLineman who gets upfield, makes penetration, and brings a pass rush element that improves the defense would make us soooo much better.

As much as we all love Ratliff, he doesn't give us much at all in pass rush from NT and our DE's are basically invisible men who never get double-teamed and almost never get any push into the backfield. A quality DE, sacks or not, will make a huge difference to Ware and Spencer.

 

[tm1119]

We play a 3-4, dude would be considered a bust around here after 2 seasons with 3 sacks per year (Or less.) He's better off playing for a team that runs the 4-3...

I agree with this 100%. Cox would be more than solid on the 3-4, but i also feel there are 4 or 5 other guys in this draft that could do the same job. Reyes, Thompson, Worthy, or Still can all do the same job in my opinion and at least 1 should be there at 45. Cox is for sure the best for a 4-3 team though.

 

[supercowboy8]

Massive drop off in talent from Cox to those guys.

I dont see it a major drop off.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Aren't Hatcher and Lissimore the starters? they had like 6 or 7 combined, didn't they?

Hatcher is the starter over Spears, but due to injuries (Hatcher is always hurt... or it seems to be the case), Spears still managed 400 snaps.

Quite often on passing downs Coleman was pulled and Lissmore was in there, but I'm not sure Lissmore is trusted vs the run.

Other teams have the Cowboys at a disadvantage on first downs when they elect to go to the pass. You have one guy, Coleman who's non-existent when it comes to pass rush. And Spencer doesn't pass-rush on first down.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

maybe but can Reyes, Still, or Winn. I think so.

I like Reyes.

Very similar player to Cox.

If the Cowboys focused on a different position in the first round, I would be A-OK with Reyes in round #2. I don't think Reye's is as explosive as what Cox is but he's athletic.

I wouldn't touch Still. He runs so hot & cold that I wouldn't want him. Plus he's no where near as quick as Cox or Reyes. Winn's hot & cold also. And he relies on power rather than speed. I think he would be better as a 4-3 DT. I think as a 3-4 DE, you're looking at another guy who would contribute a couple sacks a year and a few pressures but wouldn't produce the same pass pass as Cox would.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Meh, I would have preferred Josh Boyd had he not returned for his Senior season.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I dont see it a major drop off.

Cox is over a year younger and dominated at a much higher level of competition. Reyes was a nice player, but nothing jaw dropping, at UConn. Reyes wasn't really even considered to be a 2nd round draft pick type of player until he had a nice Senior Bowl week. Cox was 1st team all SEC playing against the best power offensive lines in the country, and is still just scratching his surface. Cox' ceiling is Richard Seymore. Reyes' ceiling is Anthony Pleasant.

 

[supercowboy8]

Cox is over a year younger and dominated at a much higher level of competition. Reyes was a nice player, but nothing jaw dropping, at UConn. Reyes wasn't really even considered to be a 2nd round draft pick type of player until he had a nice Senior Bowl week. Cox was 1st team all SEC playing against the best power offensive lines in the country, and is still just scratching his surface. Cox' ceiling is Richard Seymore. Reyes' ceiling is Anthony Pleasant.

I disagree, Cox is the better player but he still wasn't dominate in the SEC. I watch every SEC game of every SEC team. Cox layed much better than Brockers did vs the same teams with a worse team. But I don't even consider Brockers a 1st round talent. I like what I see in Reyes. I think Reyes in a late first round pick. Yes Cox is better player in a 4-3 at DT but at 3-4 DE he doesn't seperate as much from Reyes.

Thats what I look at, how these players can perform as a 3-4 DE.
When I do that COx is #1 yes but I don't see him being a dominate 3-4 DE, just like I don't see Reyes, Crick, or Still either so they aren't that far off form each other.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I disagree, Cox is the better player but he still wasn't dominate in the SEC..

I guess the SEC Coaches who voted him First Team All SEC and SEC Defensive Lineman of the Week four different times last year disagree with you. Brockers wasn't even the best defensive lineman on his own team.

 

[supercowboy8]

I guess the SEC Coaches who voted him First Team All SEC and SEC Defensive Lineman of the Week four different times last year disagree with you. Brockers wasn't even the best defensive lineman on his own team.

I don't like Brockers so whats your point.

I like Cox, I have said if you can read that he is the best 4-3 DT and even the best 3-4 DE in the draft. I just don't think he is that far apart from Still or Reyes. I just don't see a big drop off from those three.

I would be fine with Cox at 14, like I said many many time that Cox is the best 4-3 DT and best 3-4 DE. But I also wouldn't mind passing on him and getting and DE in the 2nd or 3rd.

If Cox is another Seymour then he should pick top 5.

 

[Dcowboy84]

my wish list for round 1 right now is Barron/Cox so i would have no problem with him at all.

definitely looks like a great potential 3-4 DE

the only part that has me favoring Barron right now is the depth at defensive line that there seems to be in this draft vs the depth at safety.

most draft experts have been saying that the defensive line is pretty deep in this draft, whereas after Barron and Smith the drop off at safety is vast

 

[InmanRoshi]

I think most people understand that most sacks come on passing downs.

The trouble is that a lot of people dont understand that defenses play a lot differently on passing downs, and a lot of defensive players line up in different positions on passing downs.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Cox/DeCastro....end of story.

That's the way I see it too