Fletcher Cox

[JBS]

I think people vastly underestimate how many sacks come on nickel downs. On those downs where you know a pass is coming, you can throw the 34/43 stuff out the window -- you're going to put your four or five best rushers out there to rush the QB. No one is two-gapping on 3rd and 9.

That's why 34 DEs like a Watt or Justin Smith are so valuable.

This^^^^^^

People really arent in tune w how often we are in our nickel formation..probably 40% and it might even be close to 50% of the time

 

[CF74]

In my opinion, this guy isn't "like all the other 3-4 DEs". You disagree. If you can't see it from watching him play, there's nothing I can do to convince you otherwise. Happy Friday.

Hey it's cool man I'm just happy to be talking about football again. I don't expect you to agree with me. If you've watched him play several games you may see something I don't.

I just checked again he's 6'4', 298lbs (For some reason I was thinking he was closer to 275lbs,) yeah he could play DE in a 3-4, maybe even put on 10-20 lbs if need be.

If he could get 6-8 sacks per year in that position it may be worth it, I dunno....

 

[CF74]

I think people vastly underestimate how many sacks come on nickel downs. On those downs where you know a pass is coming, you can throw the 34/43 stuff out the window -- you're going to put your four or five best rushers out there to rush the QB. No one is two-gapping on 3rd and 9.

That's why 34 DEs like a Watt or Justin Smith are so valuable.

That's called a situational pass rusher. Are you saying he's only coming in on obvious passing situations? If so then 14 is a steep price to pay for a part time player...

 

[Chocolate Lab]

That's called a situational pass rusher. Are you saying he's only coming in on obvious passing situations? If so then 14 is a steep price to pay for a part time player...

No, Watt and Smith aren't situational pass rushers. They play every down. That's the point -- they can do both, so you don't have to take them off the field at any point. On run downs they play 34 DE, but they're athletic and versatile enough to pressure the passer on obvious passing downs. That's what makes them so much more valuable than a Spears... Or on the LB side, a Victor Butler type.

 

[rags747]

He reminds me somewhat of Jim Jeffcoat, not exactly sure why.

 

[theogt]

Hey it's cool man I'm just happy to be talking about football again. I don't expect you to agree with me. If you've watched him play several games you may see something I don't.

I just checked again he's 6'4', 298lbs (For some reason I was thinking he was closer to 275lbs,) yeah he could play DE in a 3-4, maybe even put on 10-20 lbs if need be.

If he could get 6-8 sacks per year in that position it may be worth it, I dunno....

He certainly moves like he's 275 lbs (or lighter). With a year in NFL strength training I think he'd be crazy good.

 

[cowboysooner]

He is 6-4, 300 lbs, long enough arms, runs a 4.8, has a running back short shuttle time, knows how to use his hands and has a spin move and makes plays. He can play for anybody. If he can't help you, you should fire your defensive coach.

There are some guys that do some stuff better (Brockers taking on double teams). But you can go years of NFL drafts and not have a 300lbs guy with his burst. I just don't think he gets within 3 picks of us.

 

[theogt]

Hey man, it was a 4.79. No rounding.

How many 300 lb guys in the history of the combine have broken into 4.7s? I'd guess it's only a handful.

 

[cowboysooner]

I can only think of Geno Atkins at the combine and Tommie Harris at his pro day. Neither are as tall and long as this guy. He is a JPP level freak with some good film.

 

[SDogo]

I would have no issues with the pick, would actually endorse it but he's not getting number 94!

 

[AmishCowboy]

Not claiming to be an expert on him, but he's my #1 hope and has been for a while. Very encouraged that we're bringing him in for a visit.

Mine too, my pet cat of this draft

 

[NeonNinja]

I think people vastly underestimate how many sacks come on nickel downs. On those downs where you know a pass is coming, you can throw the 34/43 stuff out the window -- you're going to put your four or five best rushers out there to rush the QB. No one is two-gapping on 3rd and 9.

That's why 34 DEs like a Watt or Justin Smith are so valuable.

Agreed.

I could see Cox being our Smith,Watt at end.

 

[CCBoy]

I would have no issues with the pick, would actually endorse it but he's not getting number 94!

(chucklng to self)

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Spears & Coleman... 800+ snaps. 2 sacks, 16 pressures.

I'm betting Cox can do much better.

 

[supercowboy8]

Cox is the only DT I would take at 14. But I don't see much of a difference between Cox and Reyes or Still.

3-4 DE is a important spot in the 3-4 but I think Reyes Still, and even Winn and Wolfe can do a really good job also.

I think th eonly time you take a 3-4 DE in the top 15 is when he is another Watt, Justin Smith, or Nagata. I don't see any of those players in this draft.

 

[supercowboy8]

Spears & Coleman... 800+ snaps. 2 sacks, 16 pressures.

I'm betting Cox can do much better.

maybe but can Reyes, Still, or Winn. I think so.

 

[theogt]

Spears & Coleman... 800+ snaps. 2 sacks, 16 pressures.

I'm betting Cox can do much better.

Yeah, that's not good, even for 3-4 DEs. A 4-2 front of Ware, Ratliff, Hatcher and Cox, with Spencer blitzing from the LB spot would be something.

 

[theogt]

maybe but can Reyes, Still, or Winn. I think so.

Massive drop off in talent from Cox to those guys.

 

[fortdick]

I think people vastly underestimate how many sacks come on nickel downs. On those downs where you know a pass is coming, you can throw the 34/43 stuff out the window -- you're going to put your four or five best rushers out there to rush the QB. No one is two-gapping on 3rd and 9.

That's why 34 DEs like a Watt or Justin Smith are so valuable.

I think most people understand that most sacks come on passing downs.

 

[fortdick]

Spears & Coleman... 800+ snaps. 2 sacks, 16 pressures.

I'm betting Cox can do much better.

Aren't Hatcher and Lissimore the starters? they had like 6 or 7 combined, didn't they?