Florida U-Turn accident

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I'm sure everyone has seen this and is aware of what happened. Guy driving a semi decides to make an illegal U-Turn causing the death of 3 people that slammed into the truck.

This video is the best example of the perfect storm. Guy making an illegal U-Turn meets distracted driver. Just a reminder that all it takes is for you to not be looking at the road in front of you for a second or two. You'll see in the video that the car makes no evasive maneuvers or even brakes.

 
I’m not sure any evasive maneuvers could be taken when you’re doing 60+ and a semi clogs every lane.
 
I’m not sure any evasive maneuvers could be taken when you’re doing 60+ and a semi clogs every lane.
Well, if you're paying attention, it helps. The truck didn't go from 60 to 10 mph in less than 10 seconds, and he probably had his signal on. Apparently, not one person in the car was looking forward.

I'm by no means excusing the truck driver, but everyone on the road needs to treat driving as if their lives depend on vigilance.
 
Well, if you're paying attention, it helps. The truck didn't go from 60 to 10 mph in less than 10 seconds, and he probably had his signal on. Apparently, not one person in the car was looking forward.

I'm by no means excusing the truck driver, but everyone on the road needs to treat driving as if their lives depend on vigilance.
Agreed, truck should have had brake lights on for some time while he was slowing down. Terrible way to go. I mean how far back could you possibly be to not realize what was happening.
 
Well, if you're paying attention, it helps. The truck didn't go from 60 to 10 mph in less than 10 seconds, and he probably had his signal on. Apparently, not one person in the car was looking forward.

I'm by no means excusing the truck driver, but everyone on the road needs to treat driving as if their lives depend on vigilance.
Agreed. They said the people in the car had no chance. Doubtful. That's a big turn. The impact car probably looking at phone or doing something until too late. RIP.
 
Agreed. They said the people in the car had no chance. Doubtful. That's a big turn. The impact car probably looking at phone or doing something until too late. RIP.
Yeah I heard that. No one wants to blame the people that died. It's understandable. But it's a missed opportunity to let people know what can happen in just a few seconds if you're not paying attention.
 
drive defensively has been the motto for decades

but frankly from what I see in this video, it is very doubtful the driver of the car could have done much

THE BLAME IS ON THE TRUCK DRIVER: do not blame the victims for such an egregious act
 
drive defensively has been the motto for decades

but frankly from what I see in this video, it is very doubtful the driver of the car could have done much

THE BLAME IS ON THE TRUCK DRIVER: do not blame the victims for such an egregious act
I'm a truck driver. At least once a month I avoid an accident that was much harder to avoid than this appeared to be. It takes a long time for a tractor trailer to come to a stop and you can see how long it took him to get the trailer lateral to the road. The driver of the car wasn't paying attention. The trucker is definitely at fault, but the other guy isn't blameless.
 
I'm a truck driver. At least once a month I avoid an accident that was much harder to avoid than this appeared to be. It takes a long time for a tractor trailer to come to a stop and you can see how long it took him to get the trailer lateral to the road. The driver of the car wasn't paying attention. The trucker is definitely at fault, but the other guy isn't blameless.
I have driven trucks as well; and pulled trailers
Bottom line the blame is on the truck driver
especially once you find out this one could not speak english or recognize most street signs
BECAUSE YOU ARE DRIVING WHAT YOU ARE IT IS ON YOU TO NOT PUT OTHERS IN DANGER
that is taught at every decent driving school
 
I have driven trucks as well; and pulled trailers
Bottom line the blame is on the truck driver
especially once you find out this one could not speak english or recognize most street signs
BECAUSE YOU ARE DRIVING WHAT YOU ARE IT IS ON YOU TO NOT PUT OTHERS IN DANGER
that is taught at every decent driving school
As I said, the truck driver is at fault. But if you were the mother or brother of someone in the back seat of the car, would you absolve the driver of any blame?
 
As I said, the truck driver is at fault. But if you were the mother or brother of someone in the back seat of the car, would you absolve the driver of any blame?
It’s hard to tell from the video. Maybe the truck was on the top of a hill?
 
It’s hard to tell from the video. Maybe the truck was on the top of a hill?
I have a class A CDL. I drove for 5 years. I would never in a million years make a U-Turn in daytime. Nuts. But that truck had to slow down and make that move. If that car was paying attention, he brakes and moves to the right. He did none of that. Just ran straight into the truck.

I'm not getting into the politics or anything about the truck driver. Who cares what he can and cannot read. My entire point was to pay attention when you drive. It just takes a second or two to get yourself killed. Look in front of you at all times. That car was doing none of that. It doesn't take 300 feet to react.
 
I have driven trucks as well; and pulled trailers
Bottom line the blame is on the truck driver
especially once you find out this one could not speak english or recognize most street signs
BECAUSE YOU ARE DRIVING WHAT YOU ARE IT IS ON YOU TO NOT PUT OTHERS IN DANGER
that is taught at every decent driving school

My goodness what common sense you bring to the table . You DON’T hang a U TURN in the middle of a freeway ever . That opening in the road was for Florida highway patrol or police not a BIG RIG to put people in danger. He couldn’t read the signs got his CDL in California no surprise !
 
He should've known better. Biggest thing that stood out to me was his lack of emotion. A minivan just absolutely got crushed underneath his trailer and he is just looking around like it was some minor fender bender.

While I am NOT blaming the driver of the van, I am curious what was going on in there. It seemed like he should have had the distance to have a reaction. Even if you don't think you have the braking distance, I'd take my chance going off the shoulder vs. trying to take a big rig trailer head-on.

Either way, it’s a tragic situation.
 
He should've known better. Biggest thing that stood out to me was his lack of emotion. A minivan just absolutely got crushed underneath his trailer and he is just looking around like it was some minor fender bender.

While I am NOT blaming the driver of the van, I am curious what was going on in there. It seemed like he should have had the distance to have a reaction. Even if you don't think you have the braking distance, I'd take my chance going off the shoulder vs. trying to take a big rig trailer head-on.

Either way, it’s a tragic situation.
Minivan in the left lane going 60+ would flip over before you made it to the shoulder. If they were in the right lane, they had a chance. 60 to zero braking on a modern minivan with anti lock brakes probably isn’t good.
 
Minivan in the left lane going 60+ would flip over before you made it to the shoulder. If they were in the right lane, they had a chance. 60 to zero braking on a modern minivan with anti lock brakes probably isn’t good.
It would have been better than not even trying.
 
It would have been better than not even trying.
You have to factor in startle factor, panic, etc. I had ChatGPT model it.

Because the truck had to slow and set up for the U-turn, an attentive driver could plausibly notice the developing hazard before the trailer fully blocked the lane. That increases DD compared with a pure “instant wall” scenario. U.S. highway design guidance assumes ~2.5 s perception-reaction time at 70 mph, which produces a recommended stopping sight distance ≈ 730 ft—a good benchmark for when a prudent driver would start braking the moment a maneuver looks wrong. Texas Department of Transportation

Below is the allowable reaction time at several plausible “first-notice” distances DD. (Same minivan, dry pavement, straight road.)

First notice distance DDMax reaction time to still stop
300 ft (you notice late, as the trailer starts blocking)~1.09 s
400 ft~2.07 s
500 ft~3.04 s
600 ft~4.01 s
730 ft (AASHTO SSD @ 70 mph)~5.28 s
800 ft~5.96 s
So, if you were truly paying attention and began braking as soon as the truck’s maneuver became clearly hazardous (say D≈500 ⁣− ⁣730D≈500−730 ft), the needed reaction time to stop safely would be roughly 3 to 5¼ seconds. That’s far longer than typical human perception-reaction times (~1–2 s) and therefore feasible, but only if you start braking the instant the U-turn looks wrong—not after the trailer has already swept into and blocked your lane.

Two important takeaways:

  • Once the trailer actually blocked the lane and the available distance collapsed to <~200–300 ft, a safe stop became physically impossible (braking distance alone at 70 mph is ~188 ft).
  • Highway design’s 730-ft stopping-sight benchmark (built using 2.5 s reaction + conservative decel) shows how much distance you typically need at 70 mph for a comfortable, defensible stop—useful context for juries and recon reports.

None of this takes into account mechanical failures, either. Let's suppose the brakes failed, the tires were old, etc. They had no chance. It's easy to second guess someone in the final seconds of their life, but when adrenaline hits, all bets are off.
 
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You have to factor in startle factor, panic, etc. I had ChatGPT model it.

Because the truck had to slow and set up for the U-turn, an attentive driver could plausibly notice the developing hazard before the trailer fully blocked the lane. That increases DD compared with a pure “instant wall” scenario. U.S. highway design guidance assumes ~2.5 s perception-reaction time at 70 mph, which produces a recommended stopping sight distance ≈ 730 ft—a good benchmark for when a prudent driver would start braking the moment a maneuver looks wrong. Texas Department of Transportation

Below is the allowable reaction time at several plausible “first-notice” distances DD. (Same minivan, dry pavement, straight road.)

First notice distance DDMax reaction time to still stop
300 ft (you notice late, as the trailer starts blocking)~1.09 s
400 ft~2.07 s
500 ft~3.04 s
600 ft~4.01 s
730 ft (AASHTO SSD @ 70 mph)~5.28 s
800 ft~5.96 s
So, if you were truly paying attention and began braking as soon as the truck’s maneuver became clearly hazardous (say D≈500 ⁣− ⁣730D≈500−730 ft), the needed reaction time to stop safely would be roughly 3 to 5¼ seconds. That’s far longer than typical human perception-reaction times (~1–2 s) and therefore feasible, but only if you start braking the instant the U-turn looks wrong—not after the trailer has already swept into and blocked your lane.

Two important takeaways:

  • Once the trailer actually blocked the lane and the available distance collapsed to <~200–300 ft, a safe stop became physically impossible (braking distance alone at 70 mph is ~188 ft).
  • Highway design’s 730-ft stopping-sight benchmark (built using 2.5 s reaction + conservative decel) shows how much distance you typically need at 70 mph for a comfortable, defensible stop—useful context for juries and recon reports.

None of this takes into account mechanical failures, either. Let's suppose the brakes failed, the tires were old, etc. They had no chance. It's easy to second guess someone in the final seconds of their life, but when adrenaline hits, all bets are off.
None of that takes into account the time from when the semi put his signal on (assuming he did - which I do) and started braking. That's part of paying attention.
 

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