Floyd was 5th on our draft board, why did we pass him up?

[Doomsday101]

Floyd is a good player would not have been upset with the pick however I like the selection of Frederick and Williams as well. I tend to focus more on who we took instead of the players we didn't take.

Floyd is a Vike, good luck to him. Nothing more to be said.

 

[kazzd58]

Its over yall Let it GO!!! He's not coming to Dallas for whatever reason

 

[bpfred]

According to Blogging the Boys Shariff Floyd was our 5th overall prospect. Why didn't we grab him when he fell to us?

DFWJC has posted the most logical answer to me.

I would prefer Floyd to the combination of Frederick/Williams. I think Floyd is going to be really good, think he is explosive, and think he's gonna be a star (barring significant, career-threatening injuries).

I think Frederick will be really good in the run game, and help the team run for third-and-one and goal line situations, which they haven't been able to do for years. I have real concerns about his pass protection--hopefully I'm wrong.

I also have doubts about Williams--I don't think he is quick out of his breaks, and body catches the ball too much. He may be a good receiver--I expect him to be a slight improvement over their current third receiver, but I don't see him as a star. Those are my opinions...

The posters that talk about Floyd not being worth the 5th pick, and falling/rising in the draft are really dancing around a huge indictment of the front office. If your organization spends all year rating players, and then doesn't trust their ratings--that's a real organizational problem... Which is why I come back to DFWJC's explanation as the best I've seen...

 

[speedkilz88]

DFWJC has posted the most logical answer to me.

I would prefer Floyd to the combination of Frederick/Williams. I think Floyd is going to be really good, think he is explosive, and think he's gonna be a star (barring significant, career-threatening injuries).

I think Frederick will be really good in the run game, and help the team run for third-and-one and goal line situations, which they haven't been able to do for years. I have real concerns about his pass protection--hopefully I'm wrong.

I also have doubts about Williams--I don't think he is quick out of his breaks, and body catches the ball too much. He may be a good receiver--I expect him to be a slight improvement over their current third receiver, but I don't see him as a star. Those are my opinions...

The posters that talk about Floyd not being worth the 5th pick, and falling/rising in the draft are really dancing around a huge indictment of the front office. If your organization spends all year rating players, and then doesn't trust their ratings--that's a real organizational problem... Which is why I come back to DFWJC's explanation as the best I've seen...

How many sacks a year do you see Floyd get? To star in the league you have to be a pass rusher. Every team in the league has difference of opinion between coaches and scouts. That is what they had. The board is the viewpoint of the scouts only and they are not allowed to change their grades.

 

[PullMyFinger]

 

[xwalker]

How many sacks a year do you see Floyd get? To star in the league you have to be a pass rusher. Every team in the league has difference of opinion between coaches and scouts. That is what they had. The board is the viewpoint of the scouts only and they are not allowed to change their grades.

Agree.

The board that was recreated by BTB from video of the War Room was basically the scouts only board.

Some teams take the scouts board and adjust it for coaches input and need and create a team board. The Cowboys director of Scouting (Ciscowski) believes that the coaches input and need will be accounted for in the draft room and that an adjusted board would cause need and coaches input to be accounted for twice. Once in the adjusted board and again in the draft room.

 

[DFWJC]

Agree.

The board that was recreated by BTB from video of the War Room was basically the scouts only board.

Some teams take the scouts board and adjust it for coaches input and need and create a team board. The Cowboys director of Scouting (Ciscowski) believes that the coaches input and need will be accounted for in the draft room and that an adjusted board would cause need and coaches input to be accounted for twice. Once in the adjusted board and again in the draft room.

Jeez. Come on xw, you are better than this.

Where do you guys make this stuff up?

After scouts, coaches, and GM staying at Valley Ranch late nights discussing draft issues for more than a month prior to to the draft, you think they actually have a scouts only board up on draft day in the actual draft room?

Come on!

 

[jrumann59]

IF we would have drafted Floyd he would have taken the same punishment that Ellis and Spears took. He was nothing but a space eater and and hole plugger. It wasn't like he was the next coming of Russell Maryland. Maryland is the type of DT we want multi faceted 3 down DT.

 

[Muhast]

Didn't Morris Claiborne play in the SEC at LSU?

And wouldn't have Michael Brockers from LSU been the pick at #14 if we hadn't traded up? :laugh2:

Yes claiborne is from lsu. I made a post about it before the draft but in the past five seasons only one team has drafted less sec players than Dallas. Not sure why, but we simply don't end up with many players from there. Whether we just don't value them, or our picks from them get drafted before we pick, one way or another we hardly draft them.

 

[zrinkill]

According to Blogging the Boys Shariff Floyd was our 5th overall prospect. Why didn't we grab him when he fell to us?

Welcome to a month ago

 

[bpfred]

IF we would have drafted Floyd he would have taken the same punishment that Ellis and Spears took. He was nothing but a space eater and and hole plugger. It wasn't like he was the next coming of Russell Maryland. Maryland is the type of DT we want multi faceted 3 down DT.

Characterizing Floyd as 'nothing but a space eater and hole plugger' is exactly the opposite of what I believe him to be. I don't really know what you're looking at to lead to that characterization...

As far as sacks go, I expect Floyd to consistently get 6-8/year, and collapse the pocket pretty regularly, providing he is in a one gap, attacking scheme. If he does that, that's a valuable player to have...

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Frederick and Floyd have the opportunity to go head to head this season, so some people may have loads of "I told you so" ammo after that game.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Characterizing Floyd as 'nothing but a space eater and hole plugger' is exactly the opposite of what I believe him to be. I don't really know what you're looking at to lead to that characterization...

As far as sacks go, I expect Floyd to consistently get 6-8/year, and collapse the pocket pretty regularly, providing he is in a one gap, attacking scheme. If he does that, that's a valuable player to have...

So, the dude had four sacks his ENTIRE college career, and you expect him to be a 6-8 sack guy in the NFL? Interesting.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Welcome to a month and a half ago.

Welcome to a month ago.

Welcome to a day ago.. where that joke was already supplied.

:laugh2:

 

[speedkilz88]

Characterizing Floyd as 'nothing but a space eater and hole plugger' is exactly the opposite of what I believe him to be. I don't really know what you're looking at to lead to that characterization...

As far as sacks go, I expect Floyd to consistently get 6-8/year, and collapse the pocket pretty regularly, providing he is in a one gap, attacking scheme. If he does that, that's a valuable player to have...

So, the dude had four sacks his ENTIRE college career, and you expect him to be a 6-8 sack guy in the NFL? Interesting.

FYI, Warren Sapp averaged 7.4 sacks over his 13 year career. I don't see him being Warren Sapp.

 

[bpfred]

FYI, Warren Sapp averaged 7.4 sacks over his 13 year career. I don't see him being Warren Sapp.

Why not? They had him rated right about where Sapp was drafted. Sapp himself compared Floyd and Shelden Richardson on an NFL Network episode. He thought Floyd was explosive, Richardson not.

Projecting college stats to the NFL is a completely useless exercise. Floyd was in the opposing backfield a lot at Florida.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Why not? They had him rated right about where Sapp was drafted. Sapp himself compared Floyd and Shelden Richardson on an NFL Network episode. He thought Floyd was explosive, Richardson not.

Projecting college stats to the NFL is a completely useless exercise. Floyd was in the opposing backfield a lot at Florida.

College stats, as a whole, don't tell the entire story. A LACK of stats, however, can be very telling.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I can definitely see him in the 5-6 sacks a year range if he plays in a 43. Easy.

 

[xwalker]

Jeez. Come on xw, you are better than this.

Where do you guys make this stuff up?

After scouts, coaches, and GM staying at Valley Ranch late nights discussing draft issues for more than a month prior to to the draft, you think they actually have a scouts only board up on draft day in the actual draft room?

Come on!

I got it from interviews with Ciscowski, the director of scouting.

 

[jrumann59]

Why not? They had him rated right about where Sapp was drafted. Sapp himself compared Floyd and Shelden Richardson on an NFL Network episode. He thought Floyd was explosive, Richardson not.

Projecting college stats to the NFL is a completely useless exercise. Floyd was in the opposing backfield a lot at Florida.

Sapp was more like russell maryland. Floyd is more like a smaller version of the Williams in Minnie. Yes stats do not translate to what you are going to do but if he could only get 4 sacks in all of callege against talent that is worse tha the NFL's talent how id he going to handle playing against what is essentially a 5 man line that was one of the best at their position in college.