Flozell Adams vs Pat McQuistan @ LT 2008?

[YosemiteSam]

Do we really trust McQuistan as the Protecter of 67.4 Million Dollars?
I would give him an operatunity to win the RT spot over Columbo but not LT. What do you guys think?

Jerry is acting like he is going to move Bigg Davis to tackle after this year so this debate is probably moot.

If Jerry moves Davis to LT, someone should choke him.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If Jerry moves Davis to LT, someone should choke him.

 

[TheCount]

Hmm....

pro bowler vs. complete unknown...

Hmm....

Couldn't have said it better, I still fail to see why some people are so hyped about McQ. I personally haven't seen anything to suggest he's a star in the making.

 

[Doomsday101]

Do we really trust McQuistan as the Protecter of 67.4 Million Dollars?
I would give him an operatunity to win the RT spot over Columbo but not LT. What do you guys think?

Without seeing how McQ is progressing I don't think anyone can give a fair answer. Dallas did not draft him just to fill up the bench. I think all of this will be determined by how the staff feels about McQ as well as how the contract talk with Adams goes.

 

[burmafrd]

The coaches are very high on Mcq which counts much more then any fan's so called evaluation.

 

[Doomsday101]

The coaches are very high on Mcq which counts much more then any fan's so called evaluation.

I agree unless you are at practice and seeing McQ I doubt anyone here has a clue as to where McQ is right now in his development.

 

[Kangaroo]

If We can Franchise Flozell then the decision is easy. His franchise Number should be in the 7-8 Million range for the avg of the 5 highest paid LT. Thats Not bad because there is no signing bonus required when you franchise a player. That would buy us another year of time to develope Doug Free. It would also give us another year to evaluate McQuistan and give time for James Marten to mature as well

try over 10 Million for a franchise tag on a LT because it was over 10 million just 2 years ago when the Rams franchised Orlando Pace

 

[theebs]

I think doug free is the next in line at left tackle. i dont think flo is going anywhere though.

I think mcquistan is the backup at right tackle and swing guy again next year!

and I believe at some point there is a chance james marten will be the left guard, where he played most of his college ball.

 

[Dallyjake]

Flo needs to stay. I take a false start a game over giving up sacks. He has shut down some big guns this year.

 

[Woods]

Personally, I think FLO stays with the team for another 1-2 years for several reasons including,

1. Flo is playing very well. He's done a great job shutting down some quality pass rushers.

2. At 33 years old, that's o.k. for an OL. We're not talking about a RB here. He should be able to play at a high level for at least another 1-2 years, esp based on his high performance this year.

3. It gives the coaching staff more time to develop and evaluate D Free (who I think is Flo's likely successor).

4. JJ knows we can be good for another few years and hopefully make a few runs at the Super Bowl. The key is protecting Romo, otherwise we're DEAD if Romo goes down.

5. The OL has been the key to this team, along with Romo, IMO. We've finally got a dominant OL. I feel confident that S Jones can get a contract done to keep the OL in tact for another 1-2 years.

I think we keep Flo, worst case tender MBIII (if we don't sign him to a longer term deal), and we keep Hamlin. I'd like to think we try and keep Crayton as well. It's hard to tell with Crayton, however. Maybe the staff thinks Hurd is ready to step into his spot, and that Austin can move up and take Hurd's spot.

 

[fortdick]

I will trust Wade and Sparano to decide what to do at LT.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The "Super Bowl Loser Curse" (if Dallas makes it and loses the SB) usually occurs because the Super Bowl losing teams loses key player(s) and they don't have suitable replacements. For example, the Seahawks decided to let Steve Hutchinson go and paid the price for it. The year before the Eagles decided to both the entire Owens fiasco and along with injuries it got them a 6-10 season. This year the Bears traded away Thomas Jones and with injuries are currently 5-8.

I think the key here is re-signing Flozell. Dallas can afford it and it's riskier to let Flozell go than re-sign him for a little too much money. In fact, I think Dallas should re-sign just about every key player except for Julius where they probably should be able to find a suitable replacement in FA and/or the draft.

Generally what happens though is the Super Bowl loser tends to think they can do without certain players, cut them, and then they can't replace them. Or sometimes another team offers a key player an absurd amount of money and the team has no choice but to let him go.

Thankfully these days teams are very averse to signing FA's over 30 years old to big $$$. Especially those who have past knee injuries. So the ball should be in Jerry's court to get Flozell re-signed, whom outside of false starts, he has been having a great year.




YAKUZA

 

[justbob]

I really really really don't understand the fan base's general desire to replace our Pro Bowl LT. With the addition of Leonard Davis at RG, we FINALLY have a Super Bowl caliber OL... and before the season's done, we're talking about replacing our ANCHOR in Flozell Adams. Unreal.

And for who? Do we have Walter Jones or Jonathan Ogden waiting in the wings? No... we have Pat McQuistan and Doug Free. Nothing against those guys... they seem to be developing nicely. But they are NOBODIES compared to Flozell Adams, who has PROVEN to be one of the top LTs in the NFL.

There's a reason LTs make as much money as they do... they are CRUCIAL to an offense's success. If we can afford to keep our elite LT onboard... why the hell should we consider an alternative?

I swear, some people just INSIST the grass is greener on the other side...

Sorry but Flo is good when he wants to be ---there is also the Flo who false starts---takes play off and stands with his hands on his hips when someonee blows past him and kills our qb --franchise him for a year and let him walk
just like we did with L Allen

 

[CF74]

I really really really don't understand the fan base's general desire to replace our Pro Bowl LT. With the addition of Leonard Davis at RG, we FINALLY have a Super Bowl caliber OL... and before the season's done, we're talking about replacing our ANCHOR in Flozell Adams. Unreal.

And for who? Do we have Walter Jones or Jonathan Ogden waiting in the wings? No... we have Pat McQuistan and Doug Free. Nothing against those guys... they seem to be developing nicely. But they are NOBODIES compared to Flozell Adams, who has PROVEN to be one of the top LTs in the NFL.

There's a reason LTs make as much money as they do... they are CRUCIAL to an offense's success. If we can afford to keep our elite LT onboard... why the hell should we consider an alternative?

I swear, some people just INSIST the grass is greener on the other side...

I agree with you 100% but you missed the point. Flo's contract is up and he wants a long term deal of which he probably couldn't fill physically. Signing him for another 3-4 years would be rolling the dice but I'm not so sure I wouldn't take that risk with some kind of injury clause...

 

[theogt]

Sorry but Flo is good when he wants to be ---there is also the Flo who false starts---takes play off and stands with his hands on his hips when someonee blows past him and kills our qb --franchise him for a year and let him walk
just like we did with L Allen

Every left tackle does these things. It's just that Flozell does them much less than other left tackles, which is why he's a pro bowler.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Get better, Get Younger, and get Cheaper. signing Flo to a long term deal does none of these so the franchise makes since. But we may need to let columbo or Kozier go to afford a 7.5 2008 cap # for Flo

Get better, get younger, get cheaper, and NOT hurt the team.

If Dallas can sign Flo for a cap hit of only 7.5 mil, they should do it. Franchise for a tackle is probably going to be over 10 mil. Dallas is 20 million under the cap for 2008, without restructuring anyone.

You're worrying over nothing.

 

[Sarge]

Hmm....

pro bowler vs. complete unknown...

Hmm....

It's not just about the talent - it's about the talent and the $ Flo will be demanding - big diff. especially at Flo's age.

 

[theogt]

It's not just about the talent - it's about the talent and the $ Flo will be demanding - big diff. especially at Flo's age.

He's counting about $7 million against the cap this year. I don't see him demanding much more than that next year. So, if we can stomach it this year, we should be able to stomach it next.

We're not losing any young players if we keep him. It's not like this is a future vs. present debate. We can keep him for the present and still have Free or McQuistan ready for the future.

 

[justbob]

He's counting about $7 million against the cap this year. I don't see him demanding much more than that next year. So, if we can stomach it this year, we should be able to stomach it next.

We're not losing any young players if we keep him. It's not like this is a future vs. present debate. We can keep him for the present and still have Free or McQuistan ready for the future.

thats why I say franchise him for one year --that keeps him motivated and give us a year to get a young player ready --don't tie up alot of money on him--
slowly keep mixing in young players and keep the team young and cheaper