Discussion in 'Overtime Zone' started by Thefeelofcotton, Jan 11, 2019.
Yep talent does not help a team win games if they can't manage to be on the field.
I would cut ties with Irving. He can be here if he wants but chooses not to? Even a playoff run doesn't get him excited enough to come in and help his team? Not the type of player I want on the team. And it's a shame. He has so much talent. Could possibly put this defense over the top. Good riddance in the offseason
That is understood by all fans on this site, but the assumptions and name calling has nothing to do with any of his issues. There have been reports of him being at the facility, so your statement is not factual. Those that are in the know, are well aware of his situation, and they must deem it non-detrimental in order to allow him to still be an active member of the team. Mr. Irving will find himself without a job if, and only if the Dallas Cowboys choose to go that route.
If a call got him there we wouldn't be having this thread.
He lives close enough to hear the air horns go off at practice.
It doesn't take a lot to read the reports of who missed practice --prominently featuring DI's name or when he didn't report for training camp as the lone hold out a few years in a row.
You've put more energy into defending DI than he does to get to the facility.
Instead of wasting your energy on this goofball stuff perhaps a thread on Ant Woods?
It's actually a more complex issue than that.
Those tests are easy to beat, by the way. You can dilute them, by drinking a lot of water (since the test measures parts per million). But I guess Randy never researched how do to that apparently.
But to have the NFL tied in to the pharmaceutical industry, like by the rules to dictate what treatments people can/cannot treat themselves with/use/ingest ... is outdated and authoritarian...
The NFL is a dinosaur in that regard.
I suspect, since we have a natural cycle, the NFL will eventually get up to speed on this, when all of the old, idealists fans who they cater their rules to finally cycle out.
We're looking at probably a decade or so, most likely.
Until then, I'll support Randy Gregory and shame the NFL for its outdated rules.
Fans have no say in any of this only opinions. I am of an opinion that I would much rather release him and draft or acquire a DT without the excess baggage. In all fairness I felt that way when they announced he was going to be suspended for 4 games after he had been suspended 4 games to start the 2017 season. 2nd chances are one thing but getting burned by him in back to back seasons is a bit much.
Playing in the NFL is an opportunity and for those who have the talent to play in the NFL they have to abide by the rules of the NFL if you can then you have a great opportunity to make money and to play the game. If you can't then that is on the person himself. NFL like any business has a right to implement their own rules and frankly their rules are easy compared to what many of us deal with. Player has to fail 4 times before they actually get any real punishment. For me I am randomly tested and If I fail I'm out of here there is not 3rd and 4th and 5th chances and believe me my paycheck is much less. I choose to work for this employer but to do so I understand it is their rules and I can either abide by them or I can go find another job
Careful, some fans can't handle hearing about the screwups. Their claws will come out!
The only people who cry about standards are those who fail to live up to them.
They act like it is some god given right to play in the NFL, it is not. The NFL can provide a life style that only a few will ever get a chance at but with it comes rules the league has implemented. Even in places like Colorado where weed is legal courts have said employers still have the rights to drug test employees. For me I don't care if the NFL one day says they will no longer drug test. What I do care about is players following the rules that are in place to avoid being suspended
Good ole everyday employment rules...
And they ignore the fact that every player knows what the rules are when they agree to sign that big-money contract. But then some will ignorantly cry about the fact that the guy failed to live up to his end.
It has nothing to do with feeling the test is just or unjust, the rules in place are the rules in place. If that's a deal breaker for anyone, walk away, find somewhere else to work. That's certainly a person's right to work where they choose to if they're qualified.
It may very well be a rolando type situation and if it is he’s done. It may be a substance abuse issue or something mental. I don’t know what the issue is but cutting him would have been crazy since he was gonna get paid either way and you could loose a comp pick
Now the season is over for him and he will be a free agent so we will see what the issues were
There are a myriad of different ways to deal with anxiety and a myriad of medications to deal with anxiety, and those two things can be combined in a myriad of different ways.
And after a medication or other ways, or a combination of those ways is tried you have to wait for a while to see if they work.
It's not a simple, easy or short time frame process...
Don't do drugs and show up for work on time is required of the majority of the people in this country. It's really not that difficult.
I think a lot of what you're saying is accurate. I don't think the Cowboys were interested in getting into a fight with a player about money. They've lost three times before with McClain, Jay Ratliff, and Kyle Orton. They typically take their lumps and move on. I think it's the same here.
It also preserves a comp pick if he signs somewhere else
That's the only valid explanation for why he's still around.
and there are alternatives to smoking weed. He knows this and has spoken on this in the past.
Teams really look at comp picks now days
Most are nothing special but a 3rd or 4th rnd pick has a decent chance of being a contributor
And now that you can trade them they are even more valuable
I’m hoping if he goes he gets a huge contract, same with Beasley if he goes