For those unhappy with Rob's firing...

[CowboysPhan]

...because Garrett's offense was more of the problem, here is something to consider. This also addresses those concerned that Ryan's firing was Jerry firing him out from under Garrett.

Let's say, for argument's sake, that Jerry and Garrett looked at the season and agreed that BOTH offense and defense were awful and big changes were needed.
Step one would be to fire the respective coordinators and hire replacements, right?
Okay, so head coach Garrett fires Rob Ryan, and in the days to come will hire his replacement.

But is head coach Garrett supposed to release a press statement firing OC Garrett? "We appreciate OC Garrett and all his efforts the past few years but we've decided to move in a different direction?"

I submit that, since head coach Garrett is staying, that all he has to do is hire the new OC, and the firing will have happened. He doesn't have to fire himself publicly, no matter how much some might enjoy seeing it.

If I was in Garrett's position, I would do it just like this. Fire Rob, hire new DC, and hire new OC then announce that the new OC is calling plays.

A lot of you are mad at other posters, thinking that if they are happy Rob is gone, it means they like the job Jason was doing at OC. I have seen very few if any posters defend Garrett at OC. It's Garrett the head coach that many, including myself, want to keep. I REALLY want a new OC, though, and I see no reason to believe we won't get one.

 

[Shinywalrus]

I like what you're saying, but I think you're wrong in asserting that there aren't a lot of posters who think Garrett should remain as OC.

Unfortunately, I think there are a LOT of posters who think Garrett should remain as OC.

 

[CowboysPhan]

I like what you're saying, but I think you're wrong in asserting that there aren't a lot of posters who think Garrett should remain as OC.

Unfortunately, I think there are a LOT of posters who think Garrett should remain as OC.

Maybe. I can't recall seeing many, though. It's really hard to defend his track record in that regard, but I suppose there are always some.

 

[The Quest for Six]

any decisions on hiring and firings by this organization are made solely by Jerry Jones...period!!

 

[Shinywalrus]

Maybe. I can't recall seeing many, though. It's really hard to defend his track record in that regard, but I suppose there are always some.

They're the ones who make life so difficult on those of us who share your opinion, as I do. I'm not thrilled about Garrett - not fully bought in as a Head Coach - but I do think there's evidence that he's just overwhelmed with the various responsibilities, and that his skills and strengths better suit focusing on developing the team's personnel, culture and organization.

Check any thread on Jason's gameday management and you'll find a couple dozen defenders of that dimension.

Anyway, good post.

 

[visionary]

I like what you're saying, but I think you're wrong in asserting that there aren't a lot of posters who think Garrett should remain as OC.

Unfortunately, I think there are a LOT of posters who think Garrett should remain as OC.

this^^

also, on what basis is HC Garrett staying?

we are firing al these coaches and keeping the guy most responsible for the team's problems (other than jerry of course)

yeah, that makes a lot of sense

 

[bracey]

I want Jerry to fire Garrett and himself. Hire a real head coach and GM and then hire a real OC and DC (if that's what they wanted). If they really sat down and said that BOTH offense and defense were awful and big changes were needed, then that's what would have occurred.

As it stand now, out of Jerry, Jason, and Rob, we just fired the guy that did the best with what he was given. Jerry's not looking at things objectively. He refuses to get a real GM because he believes he can't possibly be the problem (or doesn't care). He's infatuated with Garrett, so he can't possibly be the problem. So he then moves on to the DC and cans him so he can assert his dominance and show the fan's that he's making big changes. Yay!

We are doomed.

 

[CowboysPhan]

any decisions on hiring and firings by this organization are made solely by Jerry Jones...period!!

Not trying to be argumentative, but seriously, how do you know this? I can see how it could look that way, and it may be true, but I've also seen and heard things that lead me to believe that Garrett is allowed to hire and fire. I'm sure they always discuss it and make a decision together, but I don't believe Jerry just tramples all over Garrett and makes these decisions unilaterally.

 

[JeffInDC]

...because Garrett's offense was more of the problem, here is something to consider. This also addresses those concerned that Ryan's firing was Jerry firing him out from under Garrett.

Let's say, for argument's sake, that Jerry and Garrett looked at the season and agreed that BOTH offense and defense were awful and big changes were needed.
Step one would be to fire the respective coordinators and hire replacements, right?
Okay, so head coach Garrett fires Rob Ryan, and in the days to come will hire his replacement.

But is head coach Garrett supposed to release a press statement firing OC Garrett? "We appreciate OC Garrett and all his efforts the past few years but we've decided to move in a different direction?"

I submit that, since head coach Garrett is staying, that all he has to do is hire the new OC, and the firing will have happened. He doesn't have to fire himself publicly, no matter how much some might enjoy seeing it.

If I was in Garrett's position, I would do it just like this. Fire Rob, hire new DC, and hire new OC then announce that the new OC is calling plays.

A lot of you are mad at other posters, thinking that if they are happy Rob is gone, it means they like the job Jason was doing at OC. I have seen very few if any posters defend Garrett at OC. It's Garrett the head coach that many, including myself, want to keep. I REALLY want a new OC, though, and I see no reason to believe we won't get one.

And, I think that when Garrett gets in his head to be a walk around head coach in charge of everything (like Jimmy has told him to do many times), he will become a better HC.

 

[Shinywalrus]

any decisions on hiring and firings by this organization are made solely by Jerry Jones...period!!

Too much evidence that this isn't true.

 

[bracey]

And, I think that when Garrett gets in his head to be a walk around head coach in charge of everything (like Jimmy has told him to do many times), he will become a better HC.

If you wish upon a star...

It doesn't take losing the OC job to learn basic clock management and teach basic tempo. He's a sorry HC and given his playcalling, not even a good OC.

 

[canters]

I just hope this was a move made for some logical reason, even if JJ made the decision. I can not help but wonder if this firing is related to the issue with Ratliff. I can see JJ perceiving that Rob was lining up the defensive players against him, and that he supported Jay sitting out the season and or not playing during that stretch of games.

The video of the players walking in the locker room after the win against the Steelers is telling. JJ is hugging players and coaches and smiling, but ignores Rob and Rob ignores him. Tension was in the air back then, just after the issue with Ratliff became public. Was Rob the source of the leak to the media of Jay blowing up when JJ challenged him to play? I would love to know more about this.

 

[Risen Star]

For the record, I am defending Garrett's work as an OC. I see it as the biggest non issue ever. A fan crutch for avoiding talking about the lack of talent up front. An OC hire does nothing to improve the team. Similar to how Callahan replacing Houck did nothing.

 

[visionary]

For the record, I am defending Garrett's work as an OC. I see it as the biggest non issue ever. A fan crutch for avoiding talking about the lack of talent up front. An OC hire does nothing to improve the team. Similar to how Callahan replacing Houck did nothing.

i disagree wholeheartedy RS, however i have read enough of your posts to know that you admit when you are wrong

so, if we hire a new OC (with playcalling responsibilities) and do better as an offense (bottom line score more points not yards) will you give up on defending Garrett?

i believe his system and playcalling are a significant part of the problem

 

[Miller]

I want Garrett gone, Ryan gone...all of them. In my mind the whole culture surrounding this team is off and it has been for years. All of these guys are a part of it. If Jerry wanted to change the culture and make it uncomfortable...and wanted to stay GM...his first step would be to clean house and then bring in someone that wasn't a part of the 90s group and that isn't part of his group and have them do their thing....a Cowher type. Without that, we are always going to have this stuff happening.

 

[perrykemp]

Fire Rob, hire new DC, and hire new OC then announce that the new OC is calling plays.

I get this, however, I ask myself if Jason Garrett isn't being retained as a OC then why the heck is he even here in the 1st place? He supposed genius offensive mind is the whole reason why we were told he was a good HC candidate.

If you hire a playcalling OC (in addition to a DC) what is left that JG is particularly good at?

 

[Eric_Boyer]

I like what you're saying, but I think you're wrong in asserting that there aren't a lot of posters who think Garrett should remain as OC.

Unfortunately, I think there are a LOT of posters who think Garrett should remain as OC.

the actual position held by me, and many like me, is the head coach has to have the authority to pick who he wants.

If Garrett loses his play calling against his wishes, I would not support that.

Those that do put way too much stock in the opinion of the GM.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Firing Ryan and keeping Garrett makes zero sense. One was giving a free pass and the other wasn’t.

 

[visionary]

I get this, however, I ask myself if Jason Garrett isn't being retained as a OC then why the heck is he even here in the 1st place? He supposed genius offensive mind is the whole reason why we were told he was a good HC candidate.

If you hire a playcalling OC (in addition to a DC) what is left that JG is particularly good at?

this^^

Garrett is just window dressing and here because he "in the family portrait"

and becasue jerry does not want to admit he made a mistake

 

[DrunkWithPower]

I want Garrett gone, Ryan gone...all of them. In my mind the whole culture surrounding this team is off and it has been for years. All of these guys are a part of it. If Jerry wanted to change the culture and make it uncomfortable...and wanted to stay GM...his first step would be to clean house and then bring in someone that wasn't a part of the 90s group and that isn't part of his group and have them do their thing....a Cowher type. Without that, we are always going to have this stuff happening.

Amen! Hire somebody that will put some fire in these players!