For those who doubt Bledsoe:

[jterrell]

My questions is what would it take from him to make you happy?
Talk to me about game 1 numbers and then season if you wish.

One of my greatest frustrations with message board culture is the fact so often people refuse to change their mind about anything, anytime. I'd like to know what Drew needs to do performance wise?

Will a 2 TD 220 yard passing day on Sunday with 86 QB rating do the job?
Does no INTs, 1 TD and 200 yards sound good to you?

I would really just like to hear some tangible goals set for him.

 

[CactusCowboy]

Simple- We will see Sunday if he looks comfortable and can lead the team. I want 24 points, zero stupid plays and 2 or less sacks.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

I'll tell you what sounds good to me. A win, and about 9 or 10 more after that. As long as he doesn't look horrible doing, and put us in a deep hole in games, fine by me. Make the plays your supposed to Drew, and maybe a few that we'd consider tough plays, then we'll be happy, or at least me

 

[Jarv]

My questions is what would it take from him to make you happy?
Talk to me about game 1 numbers and then season if you wish.

One of my greatest frustrations with message board culture is the fact so often people refuse to change their mind about anything, anytime. I'd like to know what Drew needs to do performance wise?

Will a 2 TD 220 yard passing day on Sunday with 86 QB rating do the job?
Does no INTs, 1 TD and 200 yards sound good to you?

I would really just like to hear some tangible goals set for him.

JT, for me what I want out of Bledsoe is this...

Quick decisions and limit the sacks. A 2 to 1 TD ratio and wins.

If we get the wins (10 or more) and he is sacked less then 25 times, then I will say he had a very good season. I would love to eat my words, where I have expressed my doubts about Bledsoe.

 

[blindzebra]

Not patting the ball, holding it too long, taking drive killing sacks.

Not losing patience with our ball control scheme and chucking it up for grabs deep, with game killing INTs.

You know, not doing what he's been doing the last 6 years.

 

[Dallas4ever]

I'd like to see about 230 yds. passing w/ 2TDs & no ints. No too concerned with the passer rating but anything above 80 would be nice.

For the season.... I would consider him a success if he's able to throw for 3500 yds. 28 TDs w/15 ints and QB rating 88 or higher. Pretty reasonable expectation imo.

 

[Sportsbabe]

How many Drew Bledsoe threads are we gonna start today?

 

[Billy Bullocks]

I think wit BP he's going to cut down on the mistakes. Also, I just ask for the wins, because obviously, if we're winning, Bledsoe most likely will be playing well enough. So with the wins come the good stats, but I guess it all hangs together. Id rather have mediocre year from Bledsoe, than a great one, like Culpepper had last year, and only 8 wins.

 

[Hostile]

My questions is what would it take from him to make you happy?
Talk to me about game 1 numbers and then season if you wish.

One of my greatest frustrations with message board culture is the fact so often people refuse to change their mind about anything, anytime. I'd like to know what Drew needs to do performance wise?

Will a 2 TD 220 yard passing day on Sunday with 86 QB rating do the job?
Does no INTs, 1 TD and 200 yards sound good to you?

I would really just like to hear some tangible goals set for him.

I doubt you'd be satisfied with any answer from me JT.



I have never cared about QB rating nor individual stats.

I'm looking for 24+ points a game from the offense and 11 wins. The same thing I've been looking for for a long time. I think both are achievable and realistic. Anything short of that will be disappointing to me.

If we are only scoring 18 a game I don't care if he throws for 4000+ yards.

If we only win 8 games I don't care either.

For me to be satisifed with him as a QB I need to see that the team rallies behind him. I'll admit, I'd love to see some fantasy stats that make me scramble to get him before anyone else does, but truthfully I don't care about his personal stats. If he has 30TDs and 4000+ yards thats great. Unless we aren't winning.

That's the only litmus test I have. If he can't achieve those points and wins I'll be less than satisfied. I'd feel the same way no matter who was at QB.

 

[junk]

My questions is what would it take from him to make you happy?
Talk to me about game 1 numbers and then season if you wish.

One of my greatest frustrations with message board culture is the fact so often people refuse to change their mind about anything, anytime. I'd like to know what Drew needs to do performance wise?

Will a 2 TD 220 yard passing day on Sunday with 86 QB rating do the job?
Does no INTs, 1 TD and 200 yards sound good to you?

I would really just like to hear some tangible goals set for him.

The first thing is that he disproves that all the knocks on him are false. Holds on to the ball too long, fails to check down, etc.

He doesn't have to set the world on fire by any means either. Hopefully a strong running game will take some of the pressure on him.

Pure numbers are misleading as well. What if he plays great for three quarters, but fails to lead the team during key drives in the fourth? What if he shows a propensity to throw a pick or fumble late in the game?

He doesn't need Manning numbers to impress me, but he needs to be able to drive the team down the field, beat teams that stack 8 in the box, hold on to the ball, hit his check down receivers and play smart football.

 

[jterrell]

Not patting the ball, holding it too long, taking drive killing sacks.

Not losing patience with our ball control scheme and chucking it up for grabs deep, with game killing INTs.

You know, not doing what he's been doing the last 6 years.

Yea he sucked in 2002:

2002 Buffalo Bills 16 16 610 375 61.5 4359 7.15 73 24 15 54/369 45 13 86.0

Manning who I guess also sucked in 2002:

2002 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 591 392 66.3 4200 7.11 69 27 19 23/145 51 11 88.8

 

[DMX690]

Play within the system,don't make rookies mistakes, and be able to make the crucial plays when the game is on the line.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

My questions is what would it take from him to make you happy?
Talk to me about game 1 numbers and then season if you wish.

One of my greatest frustrations with message board culture is the fact so often people refuse to change their mind about anything, anytime. I'd like to know what Drew needs to do performance wise?

Will a 2 TD 220 yard passing day on Sunday with 86 QB rating do the job?
Does no INTs, 1 TD and 200 yards sound good to you?

I would really just like to hear some tangible goals set for him.

This is a very tough thing to put numbers too, for me anyways. What I want to see is him not turning the ball over...hitting the obvious passes...showing he has pocket presence/not walking into sacks....stretch the field. I don't care if he passes for 150 yards or 400 yards as long as we WIN. Another important attribute I desperately want to see...if we are down by 10 in the 4th qtr I want to feel we can come back. I have not had that since Troy left.

 

[blindzebra]

Yea he sucked in 2002:

2002 Buffalo Bills 16 16 610 375 61.5 4359 7.15 73 24 15 54/369 45 13 86.0

Manning who I guess also sucked in 2002:

2002 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 591 392 66.3 4200 7.11 69 27 19 23/145 51 11 88.8

In Buffalo's 8 losses in 2002:

4 sacks, 2 INTs, 0 Fum

4 sacks. 0, 0

5 sacks, 3 INTs, 1 Fum

4 sacks, 1 INT, 0

2 sacks, 1 INT, 0

2 sacks, 2 INTs, 1 FUM

2 sacks 4 INTs, 0

6 sacks, 2 INTs, 4 FUM

29 sacks, 15 INTs, 6 FUM

Aren't stats a wonderful thing?

 

[jterrell]

I doubt you'd be satisfied with any answer from me JT.



I have never cared about QB rating nor individual stats.

I'm looking for 24+ points a game from the offense and 11 wins. The same thing I've been looking for for a long time. I think both are achievable and realistic. Anything short of that will be disappointing to me.

If we are only scoring 18 a game I don't care if he throws for 4000+ yards.

If we only win 8 games I don't care either.

For me to be satisifed with him as a QB I need to see that the team rallies behind him. I'll admit, I'd love to see some fantasy stats that make me scramble to get him before anyone else does, but truthfully I don't care about his personal stats. If he has 30TDs and 4000+ yards thats great. Unless we aren't winning.

That's the only litmus test I have. If he can't achieve those points and wins I'll be less than satisfied. I'd feel the same way no matter who was at QB.

Actually Hos 24 points a game and 11 wins is fine by me.
Thats tangible.

Its a high standard but a fair one. I think we are closer to 22 and 10 but thats certianly ball park.

Of course he will hold the ball too long at times; other times that holding will allow Price/Witten/Glenn to break free deep for a long completion.
He'll also toss INT's but hopefully they will be at a much lesser rate than his TDs.

Perception is a nasty thing. We got Terry Glenn for a song because he was perceived as a scrub. We got Julius Jones in round 2 and folks were screaming that we passed KJ and SJ. BP was god after 10 wins to a dog after 6. Of course its not just us; Philly fans booed the selection of McNabb over Ricky Weed. And yet so many here wanna objectify/subjectify their study and critique of Bledsoe that it becomes nothing but perceptions which are anything but unbiased and fresh. I'd just like to see soem groundrules for his critique set before Sunday night's typical argument between those that defend him and those that ttack him.

 

[junk]

Yea he sucked in 2002:

2002 Buffalo Bills 16 16 610 375 61.5 4359 7.15 73 24 15 54/369 45 13 86.0

Manning who I guess also sucked in 2002:

2002 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 591 392 66.3 4200 7.11 69 27 19 23/145 51 11 88.8

He probably hasn't sucked the last 6 years, but I think his play has definitely declined the last two.

 

[Cbz40]

Drew Bledsoe the good: He has the arm, the knowledge, the experience, and has taken a team to the Super Bowl.

Drew Bledsoe the short comings & questions: slow delivery, non mobile, and does he still have the heart and desire to lead us to where we want to be.

My main concern: is not Bledsoe himself but the one unknown factor.....the OL...Do we have a steller enough OL that can give Drew, or any QB with the same deficiencies, the protection and the time he needs to read D's and deliver the ball.

So I would have to say if we had the 92-95 OL I would be OK with Bledsoe as our starting QB. Maybe the 2005 OL can deliver the time and protection he needs.....we will see.

 

[baj1dallas]

I don't think I have as high standards as most of ya'll...then again I compare to what other QBs in the league (ie Joey Quarterback) do.

I want to see Bledsoe establish himself as the leader of the team while the offense is on the field...set the tempo, not make mistakes, keep everybody on the same page. I think they will need somebody early in the season to do that...by the end of it though they will basically be a veteran offense so I'd be happy if he managed to throw for just about 200 yards, a TD and no picks (Aikmenesque numbers).

 

[Hostile]

Actually Hos 24 points a game and 11 wins is fine by me.
Thats tangible.

Its a high standard but a fair one. I think we are closer to 22 and 10 but thats certianly ball park.

Of course he will hold the ball too long at times; other times that holding will allow Price/Witten/Glenn to break free deep for a long completion.
He'll also toss INT's but hopefully they will be at a much lesser rate than his TDs.

Perception is a nasty thing. We got Terry Glenn for a song because he was perceived as a scrub. We got Julius Jones in round 2 and folks were screaming that we passed KJ and SJ. BP was god after 10 wins to a dog after 6. Of course its not just us; Philly fans booed the selection of McNabb over Ricky Weed. And yet so many here wanna objectify/subjectify their study and critique of Bledsoe that it becomes nothing but perceptions which are anything but unbiased and fresh. I'd just like to see soem groundrules for his critique set before Sunday night's typical argument between those that defend him and those that ttack him.

JT, you and I always seem to disagree on the value of message board opinions.

I don't want ground rules on anyone or anything as far as allowable opinions. I want open discussion. I think it is healthy. Sometimes a little too healthy.



Fans are never going to come to a consensus. Why try and force one?

I agree with you that 22 + points and 10 wins is more likely. I won't be satisifed with it though. That was the litmus test. In truth the chance sof me ever being satisfied are slim and none. I don't mean to say I am just never happy. Not that at all. I just think what i ultimately want can't be done.

Give me a D that holds teams under 14 and an offense that scores 40+ for a team that goes all the way undefeated and I will finally be completely satisifed. I just don't ever see that happening.

So, until then I will talk about how this could be better, or that could be better, or no one is better than ___________. In other words, just enjoying the back and forth aspect of being a fan.

 

[Hiero]

being able to score touchdowns and not throw INT's is going to be a major part of how i rate him. Other than that i hope he tries to go deep several times and makes some big plays. not expecting 300+ yards, but being able to score in the red zone is very important to his success.